Charlottesville 2017 | When White People "Chimp Out"

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  1. Cascarino's Pizzeria

    Apr 29, 2001
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    Sure that isn't a video game that Steve Bannon wanks off to?
     
  2. Auriaprottu

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    You've done that three times this year already- twice at RFK. I swear, y'all need to send us some parting gifts like Derek Jeter did his dates
     
  3. sitruc

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    ******** Canada.
     
  4. Cascarino's Pizzeria

    Apr 29, 2001
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    Tyler, TX rassles with changing the name of Robert E. Lee HS:

    Last spring in Tyler, Texas, a small city two hours east of Dallas, an African-American couple had a series of agonizing conversations at their kitchen table at night, talking softly after their children were in bed. Their daughter, and oldest child, loved cheerleading in junior high; she was eager to try out for the squad at the local public high school, where she was set to enroll as a freshman in the fall. But the name of this particular school in Tyler, a community that some residents like to think of as the western edge of the Old South, ate away at her parents. “We would ask ourselves, Are we really gonna have our daughter running around a football field yelling, ‘I love Robert E. Lee’?” the mother told me.

    In the end, the couple decided to send their daughter to Robert E. Lee High School, where the student body is nearly sixty per cent black and Latino. They considered a local private school, but it was expensive and farther away, and many of their daughter’s friends were going to Lee. “This should be an exciting and happy time for a family,” the mother, who asked to remain anonymous because she feared retaliation against her daughter, said. “No one should have to go to a school named for their oppressor.”

    https://www.newyorker.com/news/news...e-a-black-student-at-robert-e-lee-high-school
     
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  5. raza_rebel

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  6. Boloni86

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    To be fair I do think there is a good chance that we will continue seeing a rise in far left wing violence as the polarization in this country spirals further out of control. Especially younger people who may lack the wider historical context of how counterproductive groups like Black Bloc are to the causes they claim to represent.

    I wouldn't compare it to the far right because it's stupid to make this into a competition. It's worthwhile examining this on its own merit. When every weekend there are riots in Berkeley and Portland, OR or 200+ people arrested for rioting in St. Louis, it's probably reasonable to discuss the phenomenon. Not with the alarmism of the far right fake news industry. But asking the questions of what the root causes are. How can these young people be converted into productive protestors instead of destructive rioters. Who are the voices of leadership in these protest movements and are they doing enough to articulate non violence.

    The best way to starve the right wing fake news industry is by not being involved in negative news stories that make the front pages.
     
  7. Chicago76

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    Jun 9, 2002
    I agree with the sentiment, but DO NOT toss St. Louis into this mix. 200 people have not been arrested for rioting here. That itself is pretty fake news. For lack of a better term, SLMPD is a collective of ********wits who are clearly chimping out. Last Sunday was the biggest evening for arrests (123). 126 charges were brought: 123 counts of failure to disperse, 1 each of resisting (as someone was being pepper sprayed and probably writhing around), and 1 guy who rode his bike on the sidewalk (count 1) and rode the same bike the wrong way on an empty 1 way (count 2).

    Short narrative: 1000-1500 peacefully protested earlier. The organized event ended. A couple people smashed three windows + flower pots later in the evening. They got away. About 100 people lingered around. A reporter for out paper (the Post Dispatch) noted they were getting bored and were likely to head home. Cops decided to kettle them from sides. In the process they managed to sweep up a Lt in the Army who was out walking his dog with his girlfriend in front of his condo, an undercover cop in the area, a U2 stage crew member who just walked out of a bar, the Post Dispatch reporter, a Getty photographer and on and on. An AP photographer managed to get out. The people were corralled into an intersection, where they submitted to police, got on the ground, and were then pepper sprayed in the face. This is on multiple vids. Then they posted names +addresses of those charged (including a friend walking back to her place who had nothing to do with it). These people have been getting death threats. I think they took these down.

    Post arrest, the cops did the whose streets chants and fired up victory cigars. They're painting a story that they're catching bad rioter types. The arrested one guy with what appears to be Power Rangers cosplay meets Black Bloc attire. They also arrested a couple of people who got into with a cop who drove backward down a street at decent speed into a crowd. One was carrying. They also confiscated an "unknown substance" in a spray bottle clearly labelled apple cider...as in apple cider vinegar used to treat pepper spray. They made two more arrests related to a car wreck that yielded drugs and firearms, publicizing it as if it had something to do with the protestors. It didn't. The reporter (Mike Faulk) has been all over these stories. He's getting threats as he is obviously a product of the esteemed leftist journalism factory otherwise called the University of Alabama. The other nights have been the same thing on a smaller scale basically. One night a small group vandalized the mayor's house. A group of cops stood by and cheered (SLMPD doesn't like her since she fired the chief).

    Latest from St. Louis Post Dispatch
    https://tinyurl.com/yb85fy8v

    This guy can be a biased douche/provacateur at times, but he's an earnest douche and he's toned it down a lot since Ferguson. Good stuff from him on twitter:

    https://twitter.com/Rebelutionary_Z
     
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  8. sitruc

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    Following the events of St Louis online has been interesting to say the least. Most of the mainstream coverage hasn't met reality at all since most just go with larger media outlets and they largely take the word of the PD. There have been uninterrupted streams of areas as well as police interventions. What may not be clear in @Chicago76's post is the gap of several hours before the protests ending and police response to nothing. There's even a video of a police officer simply going up to and breaking a storefront window the night before national news was made for some broken windows and plant containers. Of course there are video of police inciting violence on random people too (the elderly woman was asking for it). ********, the PD's twitter account has inflamed as much as anything else. They even tweeted that a gun was recovered. It's an open carry state. They didn't say if it was an illegal gun or anything. They simply tweeted that a gun was recovered like the police were threatened or under siege. A big part of the case was that a gun was recovered... it only had the officer's DNA on it, but a gun was recovered so that tweet definitely rubbed a lot of people the wrong way. It took a while for much of the local coverage to begin to match reality.
     
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  9. Chicago76

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    #1034 Chicago76, Sep 23, 2017
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    Yeah. Definitely there was a break. Thx for pointing that out. Organized protest ended. Damage maybe 40 minutes after that. About 20 minutes after that, they fired on a group of people milling around with rubber bullets. Then maybe 90 min - 2 hrs of nothing before the mass arrests. Re: the gun, good point. They've recovered a single handgun+Power rangers/Black Bloc gear from 1. Two other guns from a completely unrelated incident, which is pretty par for the course in Downtown STL. One correction though: the cop didn't break the window. It wasn't edited to look that way, but the cameraman simply didn't get it in time. It was someone else from a surveillance vid. The PD and union (Roorda) are going after the Post Dispatch journalist pretty hard too right now.

    It has been a huge culture shock moving down here from Chicago, which obviously has its own problems, but CPD looks like Andy Griffith compared to SLMPD. The secondary flashpoint of Ferguson was a shooting three blocks from my house. And most of the protest action in the city proper during those events occurred around my house. The stuff I never thought I'd see in person working from home over 3-4 weeks then would easily fill a feature article in the Atlantic.
     
  10. Dr. Wankler

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    Get cracking! They had at least two really shitty articles in the September issue. Your posts are better.
     
  11. Q*bert Jones III

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    I just want to say that I hated the cops in St. Louis before it was trendy.
     
  12. ElJefe

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    ********in' hipster. You probably root for a team that'll be gentrifying a neighborhood soon.
     
  13. Cascarino's Pizzeria

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    He used to hate em but now he's moved on to Peoria. It's so up & coming.
     
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  14. Dr. Wankler

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    The one in Illinois, of course. It's so much more ironic than that one in Arizona.
     
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  16. Dr. Wankler

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    If anything, there should be a consensus forming in the comments section.

    Technically, Nat is going to be on the stature, but it's going to have nine other on it besides himself.

    A state commission planning an anti-slavery monument in downtown Richmond voted Wednesday to include Nat Turner, the leader of a bloody 1831 slave uprising in Southampton County, among a group of 10 African-American figures who will be honored on the statue’s base.

    ....
    In addition to Gabriel and Turner, the other pre-emancipation honorees chosen Wednesday are Mary Elizabeth Bowser, a pro-Union spy who passed secrets from inside the Confederate White House; Dred Scott, a Virginia-born slave who sued for his freedom and sparked the infamous U.S. Supreme Court decision that found African-Americans were not citizens in the eyes of the law; and William Harvey Carney, a Norfolk native who was purchased out of slavery and fought in the first black military unit organized in the North.

    The five post-emancipation honorees are John Mercer Langston, a Louisa County native who was the country’s first African-American elected official; the Rev. Wyatt Tee Walker, a Petersburg civil rights activist who served as chief of staff to the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.; Lucy F. Simms, a former slave who went on to become a pioneering black educator in the Shenandoah Valley; Rosa Dixon Bowser, an advocate for black women, children and teachers who founded the Richmond Woman’s League; and John Mitchell Jr.; a crusading newspaper editor who fought racial injustice through the pages of the Richmond Planet.

    The commission originally planned to honor four people from each era, but recently widened the plan to five. Depending on the extra costs for adding more people, the total list of honorees could be cut back to the original eight instead of 10.

    Turner and Mitchell were identified as the two people who would be dropped in the unlikely event the project is scaled back.


     
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  17. Boloni86

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    Check out Paul Gosar (R - AZ) peddling conspiracy theories. Brief 7 minute video. The part about Charlottesville starts around 3:45. He says the Nazi rally was actually organized by the left, and Obama sympathizers. Also mentions George Soros. These are elected officials peddling Goebbels like propaganda. And we're the crazy ones for worrying about the rise of fascism?



    This is what gerrymandering gets us. The guy is protected in a +21 Republican district.
     
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  18. Dr. Wankler

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    I came across this theory on Snopes

    http://www.snopes.com/2017/08/17/jason-kessler-soros-deep-state-plant/


    None of this reads to us like the history of a man who underwent a sudden, “feigned” conversion to an alt-right, “pro-white” political stance in the wake of the election of Trump (for whom Kessler voted, he told us, and whose presidency he still supports). The evidence shows, rather, that Kessler was already evincing well-developed “white identity” views by February 2016, and has consistently reviled the left and expressed solidarity with the alt-right ever since.

    It would appear that his former alt-right compatriots sensed a convenient scapegoat in Kessler — someone they could easily finger as a patsy of George Soros and the Clinton-Obama “deep state” in their rush to blame the Charlottesville debacle on a left-wing conspiracy. Given that he organized the event and set its agenda, Kessler indeed bears some responsibility for what happened there, but he does so not as some imagined “Soros/deep state plant,” but rather as a legitimate figurehead of the alt-right white nationalist movement.​


    And I had no idea (though I'm not surprised) that game show host and general blockhead Chuck Woolery is a right wing blockhead.
     
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  19. ToMhIlL

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    Wouldn't it be interesting to find out if Paul Gosar is responsible for all the baby kidnappings. After all, he is from Arizona, and there was a movie where Nicholas Cage kidnapped a baby in Arizona, of all places.... Coincidence? Hmmmm, maybe not.

    Like I say, it would be interesting to find out. Just sayin'
     
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  20. taosjohn

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    There's also the matter of that rape and murder of a young girl back in the 90's-- I wonder if he had anything to do with that.
     
  21. Cascarino's Pizzeria

    Apr 29, 2001
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    First I've heard that "the Jew from Hungary" George Soros turned in fellow Jews to Nazis. He was a kid during WWII right?
     
  22. ToMhIlL

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    You mean he helped Glenn Beck? Well, you don't have any iron-clad proof that he didn't so, you can make your own conclusions...
     
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  23. taosjohn

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    Born 1930, almost 15 at the end, I think. Was neither a hero or a villain; family was non practicing, he got by by pretending to be Christian...
     
  24. Cascarino's Pizzeria

    Apr 29, 2001
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    Chuck Woolery eh?

     
  25. ceezmad

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    A +21 is wasting a lot of Republican votes.

    The best gerrymandering is when you give the other party 1 district of +60 and you get 3 districts of +10.
     

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