Dejavu? The 2020 off Season, catch-all discussion thread.

Discussion in 'D.C. United' started by nick, Oct 19, 2019.

  1. pr0ner

    pr0ner Member+

    Jan 13, 2007
    Alexandria, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The lingering transfer fee is the problem - you still have to amortize that $3M over the length of deal, so basically add another $750k a year to his salary.

    Now, who knows if that'll change with the new CBA, but I am sure MLS wants to keep transfer fees tied to a player's cap hit.
     
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  2. GumbyG

    GumbyG Member+

    DC United
    Mar 22, 2007
    Chesapeake, VA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That's the rub. Maybe they will work out another loan deal?

    Buying Titi has a pretty high opportunity cost, so it's really a bet that he's going to improve and pay you back. He's certainly one of the best 22 year olds in MLS. That's something to consider.
     
  3. Q*bert Jones III

    Q*bert Jones III The People's Poet

    Feb 12, 2005
    Woodstock, NY
    Club:
    DC United
    I think that's very far from certain.
     
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  4. PSURoss

    PSURoss Member+

    Sep 30, 2002
    DC Burbs
    Yea I'd forgotten that we'd spent money on him ...it was so out of character.
     
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  5. GumbyG

    GumbyG Member+

    DC United
    Mar 22, 2007
    Chesapeake, VA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well, it isn't death-and-taxes certain, yeah. But you don't have to scroll far through Whoscored's MLS player list to find him as the 5th best player 22 and under, by whatever unholy metrics they're using. We should probably assume "hair game" isn't among them.
     
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  6. Eastern Bear

    Eastern Bear Member+

    Feb 27, 1999
    Great Falls, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Are you forced to amortize the fee? I thought you could take the hit all in the 1st year. How do the big spenders like LA, Seattle, and Atlanta do it every year?
     
  7. pr0ner

    pr0ner Member+

    Jan 13, 2007
    Alexandria, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yes. In terms of calculating a player's budget number, the fee is amortized over the length of the contract.
     
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  8. jason1551

    jason1551 Member+

    Apr 9, 2003
    Columbus, GA
    Club:
    DC United
    But the contract can be paid down over that length, so even if Titi has a nominal transfer fee, it could probably be paid down to make him a TAM player.
     
  9. United1

    United1 Member+

    Feb 23, 1999
    Arlington, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    When is that sports book going to be finished. I need something to do while our crap team on the field sucks (again).

    Sorry, didn't mean to interrupt the discussions about TITI.
     
  10. pr0ner

    pr0ner Member+

    Jan 13, 2007
    Alexandria, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yes, but if his sale price is anything near what the current asking price is ($2.5M), he'd basically have to take a pay cut to not be a DP again (which he was last year). Do you see that happening?
     
  11. jason1551

    jason1551 Member+

    Apr 9, 2003
    Columbus, GA
    Club:
    DC United
    His salary last year was $300k. His listing as a Youth DP was a salary cap loophole to help with the salary budget, not an indication of what he was making or what he would make. I would expect him to be on $600k-$750K if we buy him. Add in the transfer fee spread across a 4 year deal, and you're looking at $1.2-1.3 million a year. That can be bought down with TAM and put below the DP threshold.

    Realistically, he's at the ideal transfer fee and probable salary range to be a TAM player.
     
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  12. pr0ner

    pr0ner Member+

    Jan 13, 2007
    Alexandria, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The current TAM limit is $1M, so if he's at $1.2-$1.3M, then he's a DP.
     
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  13. GumbyG

    GumbyG Member+

    DC United
    Mar 22, 2007
    Chesapeake, VA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    There is a caveat to that, as I understand it. He could be a DP up to mid-season, at which point, a team can buy down an existing DP's salary up to $1.5M, allowing us to bring in another DP. Next season the game of musical chairs begins anew, of course, but it's a volatile business anyway.
     
  14. pr0ner

    pr0ner Member+

    Jan 13, 2007
    Alexandria, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yeah, the followup musical chairs does make that a difficult decision. Hard to see them buying down a DP to non-DP who's still going to have several years left on his contract.
     
  15. PSURoss

    PSURoss Member+

    Sep 30, 2002
    DC Burbs
    Gawd damn we're all so institutionalized.

    Here we are, wrangling about how we're going finagle a guy onto the team with a $2.5M fee using TAM so we'll still have 2 open DP slots like we're the LAG trying to have 4 DPs on the team when the odds are infinitely higher that DCU will start the season with one DP (Arriola), maybe 2 (Titi) and there's no sign of a third, let alone the mystical 4th LAG DP on TAM contract.

    And this guy is $2.5M ... when KC is going out and buying $10M players, Inter is interviewing hottest coaching talents in the hemisphere.

    I say we go out and get Poch ... he was great at developing talent and competing in the EPL with Daniel Levy's non-competitive budgets.
     
  16. song219

    song219 BigSoccer Supporter

    Apr 5, 2004
    La Norte
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    Vanuatu
    This is the best part of the season when we can indulge in hope before reality. :)
     
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  17. shawn12011

    shawn12011 Member+

    Jun 15, 2001
    Reisterstown, MD
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

    Hope?? Mrs. Hope??? I miss her, she was my favorite teacher.
     
  18. pr0ner

    pr0ner Member+

    Jan 13, 2007
    Alexandria, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Dude. Ola Kamara, unless something's way off with Goff's reporting, is going to be a DP in 2020. You even acknowledged that in a post a couple of days ago. Did you already forget?

    The entire discussion around Rodriguez is based on the assumption that Arriola and Kamara are taking two of United's DP slots, and the chances of Rodriguez being the 3rd DP based off of current MLS DP rules.
     
  19. fatbastard

    fatbastard Member+

    Aug 1, 2003
    Lincoln (ish), Va
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
     
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  20. PSURoss

    PSURoss Member+

    Sep 30, 2002
    DC Burbs
    Sorry, he's utterly forgettable as a DP for me.
     
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  21. song219

    song219 BigSoccer Supporter

    Apr 5, 2004
    La Norte
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    Vanuatu
    Was she related to Bob?
     
  22. shawn12011

    shawn12011 Member+

    Jun 15, 2001
    Reisterstown, MD
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    no

    :rolleyes:
     
  23. UnitedBorn

    UnitedBorn Member+

    Dec 7, 2015
    301
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
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  24. PSURoss

    PSURoss Member+

    Sep 30, 2002
    DC Burbs
  25. morrissey

    morrissey Moderator
    Staff Member

    Feb 18, 2000
    West Los Angeles, Calif
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I admit that I haven't been paying much attention since DC bombed out of the playoffs. We signed Bill and Brilliant. Rooney and Lucho are gone.

    No other acquisitions of any kind from waivers, re(ar)-entry draft, etc.?

    James

    edit...Asad? Is that happening?
     

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