Changes in the Off Season for 2020

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  1. nick

    nick Member+

    Nov 23, 1998
    Potomac Falls, Va
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well, that was a crap ending.

    This team is in danger of seriously regressing next year unless there are some major moves to improve even rebuild the team.

    I think it starts with a serious look at the coaching staff. And we should be looking at 2 new DPs. But it's even more than that.
     
  2. Bootsy Collins

    Bootsy Collins Player of the Year

    Oct 18, 2004
    Capitol Hill
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    This team could have 15 DPs and they'd still find a way to fsck it up.
     
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  3. Freestyle2000

    Freestyle2000 Moderator

    Feb 6, 2000
    LA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    Putting aside the off-field changes (I don't think there's another way they could have ********ed up this season, all considering, starting from that stupid "TV" deal)...

    Next year, we've got...


    Kamara
    Asad-----------???-----------???
    Moreno---Felipe?
    Mora---------Birnbaum----???---Canouse?
    Hamid?

    I think we lose Acosta, and I hope we lose Rodriguez. Don't know contracts on some of the others.

    In defense, I'm not a Brilliant believer, especially at his age. He's out of contract, says Wikipedia.

    But beyond this, I'm not sure any major decisions can be made until we know whether the ownership still has faith in Olsen.
     
  4. griffin1108

    griffin1108 BigSoccer Supporter

    Dec 5, 2003
    Virginia
    Next season Rooney, Acosta and Jara are gone for sure. Rodriguez is on the bubble. I would see if there is a market for Moreno, he's young and a national teamer, you can get by with Canouse and Felipe in the middle.
    Arriola may be gone to Mexico, but that will involve a transfer fee of some sort.
    Hamid's transfer fee is under $1M, so DCU should buy his contract from Midgetland.
    Needs:
    1) Another forward who can complement Kamara and press for starting time -- bye bye Quincy
    2) A right back if neither Fisher nor OA can return to form
    3) Keep Brillant for the right price to back up Birnbaum and Pines
    4) A #10 from somewhere
    5) A new coach and personnel director

    If we're lucky, we get a new right back and Olsen will say, "I like this squad, we're always looking to improve, but I like this group."

    In other words, you can start all of these threads you want, but with Levien, et al. in charge, it will be rinse, repeat, rinse, repeat, "I got you babe..........""
     
  5. dcu n bntwn

    dcu n bntwn Member

    Jun 7, 2004
    Watertown, MA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    These posts are a bit alarming. If we lose all of those players (Rooney, Acosta, Arriola, Jara, Rodriguez, Hamid), we really lose a huge part of the team.

    If that happens, then next year could be a "rebuilding year". Not a good thing.
     
  6. morrissey

    morrissey Moderator
    Staff Member

    Feb 18, 2000
    West Los Angeles, Calif
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Olsen for GGG and we toss in Ass-ton.
     
  7. griffin1108

    griffin1108 BigSoccer Supporter

    Dec 5, 2003
    Virginia
    They aren't alarming, they are reality. Rooney, Acosta and Jara are definitely gone. Rodriguez is a loan, and I don't know what his purchase price will be. He's been up and down all year, so do you spend serious money on him? I don't know. Arriola has gotten some looks from Mexico, so he might leave as well. This team will be very different in 2020, the only thing that will remain the same is the coaching staff. Which will be there long after I'm dead.
     
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  8. United1

    United1 Member

    Feb 23, 1999
    Arlington, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    We must build around Pines.
     
  9. Funkfoot

    Funkfoot Member+

    May 18, 2002
    New Orleans, LA
    Did we sell Durkin or is he on loan?
     
  10. Bootsy Collins

    Bootsy Collins Player of the Year

    Oct 18, 2004
    Capitol Hill
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Regarding replacing Benny . . .on one hand, I do think people advocating a change are on the right track (the ones that can't advocate that position while still showing respect can fuck right off, though). I love Ben Olsen more than I love my mom, but for a variety of reasons I think it’s time to move on to a new coach, and have thought so for a while now.

    But anyone who remenbers the end of the 2009 season should temper their enthusiasm about sacking a coach. I don’t care how bad you think anything is right now, it can still get much worse. That’s not meant as an argument against making a change — if we want to get better, we have to — but simply to be clear-headed about it, and understand that it’s not a sure improvement. Especially when I doubt we’d be a very attractive job to strong managers right now.

    Again, I'm not saying we shouldn't make a change. I'm simply saying that expectations have to be tempered, for sanity's sake.

    One thing is for certain, though: any change should be made soon. There's going to be a whole huge honking hell of a lot to do this offseason.
     
  11. shawn12011

    shawn12011 Member+

    Jun 15, 2001
    Reisterstown, MD
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    And I am saying that I don't simply want change for change sake. I want a viable plan. Bring in manager X. Bring in players Y, Z, Q, K.

    I don't want "We lost badly!! We have to replace Ben!!!" That is an emotional response. Those only turn out badly.
     
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  12. griffin1108

    griffin1108 BigSoccer Supporter

    Dec 5, 2003
    Virginia
    You're absolutely correct. However, we now have a 10 year body of work from Olsen which indicates with him at the helm, DCU is a mid-table team at best. Sure you can get another Onalfo, but I'm up for the risk because mediocrity is boring and ultimately kills hope and interest. I'm sick to death of Bennyball because it leads to fiascoes like the season ender against Cincy and the loss last night. I would gladly watch a clueless Ray Hudson gesticulating wildly on the sidelines than go through another season like this.
     
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  13. Bootsy Collins

    Bootsy Collins Player of the Year

    Oct 18, 2004
    Capitol Hill
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You can't do that until after you've let go of manager O.
     
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  14. shawn12011

    shawn12011 Member+

    Jun 15, 2001
    Reisterstown, MD
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That is the reason you bring in manager X you let go of the previous manager.
     
  15. Bootsy Collins

    Bootsy Collins Player of the Year

    Oct 18, 2004
    Capitol Hill
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'm not entirely sure what you're saying here.
     
  16. griffin1108

    griffin1108 BigSoccer Supporter

    Dec 5, 2003
    Virginia
    Shawn is stuck on the need for a clearly defined path forward with a coach, technical director and player acquistion model before you get rid of Olsen. That will never happen with this FO, the best we will get is Olsen is fired, we're looking at alternatives. At this point, I'm fine with that, because we know what we will get with Olsen -- not enough. Look at Philly today against RBNY, down 3-1 they clawed their way back and won the game. Do you really think an Olsen coached team could overcome a 2 goal deficit in 45 minutes? I don't. Time to move on.
     
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  17. bct81

    bct81 Member+

    Mar 17, 2007
    Colorado (formerly northern Virginia)
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    and what is the 10 year body of work from Levien?
     
  18. Winoman

    Winoman Drinkin' Wine Spo-De-O-De!

    Jul 26, 2000
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Are you able to fire Levien? I say have at it!
     
  19. Hedbal

    Hedbal Member+

    Jul 31, 2000
    Leafy'Burb(Bethesda)
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    So who could buy Levien out? Jeff Bezos, that's who:D (Or maybe former wife MacKenzie Bezos)
     
  20. fatbastard

    fatbastard Member+

    Aug 1, 2003
    Lincoln (ish), Va
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Is "trump's son" still on one of the academy teams? 'Cause that might be humorous.

    But as bad as Levien is, I am wondering if that choice would be any better. Definitely would have more money to launder, which results in more high-profile DPs. Drones delivering beers to fans in their seats might be a possibility as they test Amazon delivery methods :)
     
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  21. song219

    song219 BigSoccer Supporter

    Apr 5, 2004
    La Norte
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    Vanuatu
    I would have never thought I would ever look back wistfully on the days of Uncle Phil's ownership.
     
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  22. shawn12011

    shawn12011 Member+

    Jun 15, 2001
    Reisterstown, MD
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

    You are correct on both counts. Mine and the FO.
     
  23. Q*bert Jones III

    Q*bert Jones III The People's Poet

    Feb 12, 2005
    Woodstock, NY
    Club:
    DC United
    The problem is that I want the next coach to have input on all decision-making. It would be dumb to hold on to players that the next coach doesn't fancy. But we don't have the next coach yet. Ideally, we'd see a press release thanking Ben for his decade of service and an announcement of the next coach TODAY. But I don't see that happening.

    If I was the next coach, I'd keep Hamid, Mora, Birnbaum, Brillant, Pines, Canouse, and Arriola. That's it. I think 2020 is going to be hilariously bad. I suppose I'm OK with that if they are building for a brighter future.

    Alternatively, they could keep Olsen and the defense and go for some more low-to-mid-table mediocrity
     
  24. song219

    song219 BigSoccer Supporter

    Apr 5, 2004
    La Norte
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    Vanuatu
    Let's not get all uppity with our expectations. I'd be happy if they'd announce a local broadcast partner before March.
     
  25. fatbastard

    fatbastard Member+

    Aug 1, 2003
    Lincoln (ish), Va
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Of course in most of the European leagues, which I keep having to hear are soooo much better, most of their teams have been aiming for this exact thing for decades to hundreds of years.
     

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