Central European - Turkish Diplomacy War + Riots

Happy and delighted that my country stands up against Islamofascism and draws a line.

The intelligence agencies knew perfectly what the Turkish plans are (and the Dutch intelligence community has internationally a good and morally decent reputation). They were only here to heat up the fifth column and create angry divisions within an already fragile city (Rotterdam). Rotterdam is about the worst city you can pick and you only do it when you have malign intentions.



Of course, the prime minister has 'butter on his head' because 10 years ago he made a plea for Turkey as an EU member.

Not in my lifetime please.





Sad thing is that this only helps the likes of Wilders and Le Pen, instead of pragmatic people and pragmatic politicians. Wilders and co are just as bad as Erdogan. Mirror of the same sentiments.

 

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even the usually pacifist and peace-seeking Socialist Party has no doubts this time

"Nederland is geen Turkse provincie die je even binnen rijdt." Aldus @SadetKarabulut. #Turkijerel https://t.co/IVFxmUAdeG

— Ron Meyer (@MeyerRon) March 12, 2017

 

I see you get Fox News in Holland, eh?

 

Not really. Those type of publications are a very small minority here.

From the New York Times:

"Liberalism became almost a badge of national identity, so much so that Mr. Wilders uses gay rights and gender equality as sticks to beat Muslims by characterizing them as less tolerant.
He is not the first anti-Muslim agitator to do this. At the turn of this century, a dandy named Pim Fortuyn, a politician who had once been a man of the left and was openly gay, emerged with the message that Muslims were a threat to liberal Western values. "

That's a difference. You see the same type of debate happening in 'liberal' Sweden by the way, including similar popularity for the Islam-sceptics.

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It relates to this of course
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance

Discussion about ideology and religion aside; Erdogan and his pawns are truly a danger.

 

Yeah it doesnt make sense to fight cancer with the cells that creates the cancer.

 

.....and in the meanwhile Erdogan wants to scrap the parliamentary system and install a republic one "similar" to the US. To give more sweeping powers to the president.
Without the checks and balances of course.
More in the line of Trumps thinking of what his presidency is.

 

It invites it in and allows it to grow yes.

 

So? Who cares if Islam gets into Western countries?

 

It is principally not that weird. In Sweden, Denmark and the Netherlands at least 75% of the violence and threats against gays arrive from people with a muslim background. They are no more than 10% of the population. The political elements among them receive financial backing from Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Turkey etc.

It is a proxy war. Liberalism vs fascism. It is the paradox of tolerance debate really.

As I said, Wilders is in this no better than Putin or Erdogan.

 

Why'd you let em all in then?

 

You mean the special immigrants like Von Braun and friends.

 

There are two reasons for this.

First of all, the first generations were probably not typical for the general population they come from. In terms of attitudes, intelligence, education and so on.

In large, they probably came for more 'freedom' that they could not enjoy in their own country.

But the problem is this : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regression_toward_the_mean

Their childrend and grandchildren are likely to be more like the average population of their original country.

This combined with the problem of having conflicted identities. Not truly being part of the host society (They can't be. Because their ancestors didnt build the country they don't feel part of it.) and not truly being part of their grandfathers culture either creates a dangerous identity crisis where they are more likely to be radicalized and be hostile to the host country because of this.

This is less likely to happen for the first generation, because the first generation does not really expect to be fully part of the host culture. But he accepts the bargain of increased freedom and increased economic opportunities and hopes that his son or daughter can be.

 

Oops missed that. Does Braun have any grandkids....

 

A picture from the riots. We definitely need more trained police dogs in Europe. I think the police should look into training boars as well.

 

Ya might wanna start out with tasers and work your way up.