CANZUK (Canada, UK, Australia, New Zealand), potential new emerging block

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  1. Robert Borden

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    #1 Robert Borden, May 31, 2017
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    In the Trump era, the plan for a Canadian-U.K.-Australia-New Zealand trade alliance is quickly catching on
    http://business.financialpost.com/f...zealand-trade-alliance-is-quickly-catching-on

    The world has changed
    • The U.K leaving Europe will possibly be the trigger
    • NAFTA in it's current form will be dead with possible trade wars between the US and Canada
    • Post-Cold-War alliances are obsolete
    • The United States has become an unreliable and unpredictable partner (Quoting Angela Merkel)
    The idea
    • The idea of a free trade and free movement of labour zone is getting more traction in respective countries(the freedom to live and work in each others’ countries) and defence-partnership agreement possibly as soon as the United Kingdom "Brexit" comes into full effect
    • Canada, the U.K., Australia and New Zealand share a similar culture & similar values, same language and similar legal, business and social systems
    • laws and constitutions share many features
    • citizens enjoy a roughly similar per capita GDP
    Challenges
    • Changing current Immigration laws
    • Political structure: CANZUK Parliament?
    • Common currency or not? Status quo, pounds or dollars?
    • Where's the CANZUK HQ? Ottawa, Canberra or Wellington? London would not be well received as it would be perceived as the British Empire revival. Ottawa makes sense due to it's proximity with the United States and the United Nations
    • What to do with the Monarchy? Australians are against it and Canadians are starting to get the monarchy "fatigue"
    • The future of the Commonwealth?
    • Flag?
    • Public perception?
    Potential
    • largest total landmass of any free-trade zone
    • 4th largest market in the world, after the U.S., EU and China
    • 3rd in military spending well ahead of Russia
    • On European Geostrategy’s geopolitical power index, the CANZUK countries collectively have a strength around 70 per cent of that of the U.S. — and nearly twice that of China or France.
    The 2016 chart
    [​IMG]

     
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  2. Dr. Wankler

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    I remember watching the old Fox Sports World telecast of a match Aussie Rules players and Gaelic football players played a sort of combination of the two games for some reason.

    I am looking forward to the equivalent Hockey/Rugby game...
     
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  3. White/Blue_since1860

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    Europe until a few years ago had bigger GDP than the US and China combined. It's common mistake to split it up in charts or stats.
     
  4. Yoshou

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    Mostly because at an international level the EU countries act separately. If the EU were to actually merge into a super country of sorts, they would be more formidable, but they haven't really been able to make that jump. Hopefully that will be a change forced by Trump's international policy and an increased view by Merkel and Macron that EU needs to take a more prominent role on the world stage.
     
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  5. Robert Borden

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    European nations have very diverse history, values, language, laws constitution and old rivalries.

    CANZUK has a better chance of success since we're almost similar or the same at every level without necessarily having to become a "super country"
     
  6. NORML

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    I wanna see the gravity elevator between Britain and Australia like the one in the Total Recall remake.

    joking aside why not try and do this with the entire Commonwealth of Nations?
     
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  7. song219

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    Too many brown poor people for it to pass.
     
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  8. crazypete13

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    Most importantly, we all spell "colour", "harbour", "neighbour", "honour" and "valour" correctly.

    And some of us actually have trade deals with the EU too. Though others seem to want to shoot themselves in the foot.
     
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  9. Dr. Wankler

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    Typical Canuck CANZUK. It's always about "U," isn't it.

    Notice the proper American use of quotation marks and comma placement.
     
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  10. JohnR

    JohnR Member+

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    You're one bad-ass Grammar Marine.
     
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  11. Robert Borden

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    Too unbalanced in terms of economic profile, different history & culture, past colonialism resentment, you'd be recreating a dysfunctional European Union.
     
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  12. JohnR

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    That bloc makes sense -- the U.K. and the more obedient of its colonies. There is a very large cultural connection between those countries. Well, Canada has an equally large connection with the U.S., but the U.S. right now isn't in a sharing mood.
     
  13. crazypete13

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    I reserve the right to place punctuation inside or outside of quotes (and parentheses), as I see fit.
     
  14. crazypete13

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    Dunno, the limeys and other brits have been reloading repeatedly to shoot themselves in the foot.

    So the acronymy thing may end up being CANZAC or CANZUS.
     
  15. Robert Borden

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    That is clearly not how it works, and I doubt Australia can fit that category since they've been trying to get rid of the monarchy

    Not really...besides being trading partners and going to war with one another in 1812 and we know how that went...
     
  16. JohnR

    JohnR Member+

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    Which of those countries revolted against the queen?
     
  17. JohnR

    JohnR Member+

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    Recently, they seem to have more Yank in them than you guys do. Which is not a compliment to Britain.
     
  18. song219

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    You'd need to come up with a better acronym since the UK is likely to be replaces with just Wales and England.
     
  19. crazypete13

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    Say what? We have ten score and five years of peaceful neighbourly co-existence and trade since then. We also have a common cultural milieu (yes, yes, Quebec, I know), shared military exercises, not to mention soccer leagues and other sporting connections.
    We learned to respect all y'all as a necessity, our relationship (or lack thereof) with the UK is akin to the phrase "daddy issues".
    Let's go for something unwieldy as possible: CANNZAUSWALENG
     
  20. NORML

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    Most Minnesotans won't admit it but we sometimes wonder if Canada isn't really our parent country.
     
  21. usscouse

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    Britain should have come up with this in the 60s instead of kissing DeGaul's arse to get into the UE.
    I did tell them.
     
  22. Robert Borden

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    #22 Robert Borden, May 31, 2017
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    I can't speak for Australia or New Zealand, but Canada (who wasn't a country yet) didn't need to revolt against England.

    The 1774 Quebec Act, which was viewed as an "intolerable" act by the 13 colonies after England defeated France in the 7 year war, was a trigger of the American revolution. In a nutshell, the 13 colonies wanted all of Quebec territory and the defeated French colonists (which I'm a descendant off) out of there, but the British crown voided their claim and allowed French colonists to stay, keep their culture, added territory in exchange to their allegiance to the crown.

    Then came the war of 1812, where we said "thanks but no thanks" to be part of the United States with everything else that followed.

    1867, Quebec joined Ontario, New Brunswick and Nova Scotia to create the Dominion of Canada.

    We earned our sovereignty December 11th 1931 with the statute of Westminster, mainly thanks to Canada's contribution in World War I. Vimy Ridge in France had fallen to the Germans in 1914.

    The French and the British fought to take it back for 2 years until 4 divisions of the Canadian Corps relieved the British in October 1916. They spent the entire winter planning the battle and on April 9th 1917,the Canadian Corps attacked the German and took the Ridge the next day by noon, forcing Germans to withdraw after heavy casualties. The stalemate was broken in France and Canada (symbolically) was born (Robert Borden was the Prime Minister).

    We didn't need to revolt and we ended up being our own country regardless. Otherwise, we would have been part of the US and I happen to enjoy the universal healthcare, social programs. low criminality and gun control as seen in Australia, New Zealand and the UK. :)
     
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  23. Robert Borden

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    But it's night and day in terms of social policies. We're closer to Europe than the US in that regard.
     
  24. superdave

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    That'll provide Thomas Frank with his follow up.
     
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  25. American Brummie

    Jun 19, 2009
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    I applaud the effort for closer integration of governments, but this has about as much of a chance of happening as does my plan to grind up Trump voters into dog food*



    * what most people read in the other thread
     

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