Canadian Men's National Team in 2018 [R]

Discussion in 'Canada' started by EvanJ, Jan 19, 2018.

  1. EvanJ

    EvanJ Member+

    Manchester United
    United States
    Mar 30, 2004
    Nassau County, NY
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Canada fell 1 spot to 95th in the January 2018 FIFA Rankings. El Salvador knocked Canada out of the Top 10 in CONCACAF.

    @Polygong

    Can you sticky this topic and unsticky the "CMNT Friendlies Thread 2016/2017" topic? The USA Men forum has each year with its own schedule topic.
     
  2. cloak

    cloak Member

    Aug 25, 2010
    Club:
    Toronto FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    Cavallini scored a couple hours ago for Puebla 2-0 over Veracruz.

    We need to play more games, hard to build a FIFA ranking when you're playing less games than teams ahead of you.
     
  3. TOareaFan

    TOareaFan Member+

    Jun 19, 2008
    Greater Toronto Area
    Club:
    Toronto FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    Unless you win all your games and the teams ahead of you lose all theirs?

    If Canada plays twice this year and wins both matches and El Salvador plays 8 times and loses them all....would we still be lower ranked than El Salvador?
     
  4. EvanJ

    EvanJ Member+

    Manchester United
    United States
    Mar 30, 2004
    Nassau County, NY
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    El Salvador has 382.77 points. If you devalue their 2015 through 2017 points, remove their 2014 points, and they get no points in 2018, they will finish with 172.05 points. Doing the same thing for Canada produces 190.17 points, so if El Salvador doesn't get any points they will finish the year behind Canada. I used the December 2017 FIFA Rankings rather than the current ones so every game would be one year older in December 2018. Its impossible to know how many points Canada will get from matches without knowing the opponents. The confederation weighting could change after the World Cup.
     
  5. TOareaFan

    TOareaFan Member+

    Jun 19, 2008
    Greater Toronto Area
    Club:
    Toronto FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    I don't know what that has to do with the ridiculous statement that I responded to....(that Canada can't catch the people ahead of them if they don't play as many games as them)...obviously it is not just the number of games but the quality of opponents and (most importantly) the results that will determine how far up (or down) Canada moves in the FIFA rankings.

    I also don't know another place that is so focused on these rankings as Canada.
     
  6. Kingston

    Kingston Member+

    Oct 6, 2005
    Zurich?
     
  7. EvanJ

    EvanJ Member+

    Manchester United
    United States
    Mar 30, 2004
    Nassau County, NY
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You asked what would happen if Canada played two games this year and won both and El Salvador played eight games and lost all of them. I said that if El Salvador loses every game, Canada will pass them regardless of who Canada plays and how Canada does. I was responding to that question and not a general point about how important it is to play. It could help Canada if the Copa Centroamericana ends and Gold Cup qualifying is done by the Nations League. It has been posted that Canada is at a disadvantage compared to UNCAF and CFU teams because Canada doesn't play Gold Cup qualifiers. Since World Cup 2014, Canada has played 16 competitive games that count in the FIFA Rankings:

    10 WCQs (2 in Round 2, 2 in Round 3, and 6 in Round 4)
    3 in Gold Cup 2015
    3 in Gold Cup 2017 (excluding non-FIFA member French Guiana)

    During that time, El Salvador has played 26 competitive games that count in the FIFA Rankings, which is 62.5% more than Canada:

    10 WCQs (2 in Round 2, 2 in Round 3, and 6 in Round 4)
    4 in Copa Centroamericana 2014
    5 in Copa Centroamericana 2017
    3 in Gold Cup 2015
    4 in Gold Cup 2017
     
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  8. cloak

    cloak Member

    Aug 25, 2010
    Club:
    Toronto FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    I think it goes without saying sports is a results business. Why is my concern over how little they play "ridiculous"?

    To me this scenario you create is nonsensical and has no basis in reality. The simple fact is if you play less games you are at more of a disadvantage in terms of collecting points.
     
  9. cloak

    cloak Member

    Aug 25, 2010
    Club:
    Toronto FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    Rankings are important for every national team because they create pots for World Cup qualifying, among other things.
     
  10. TOareaFan

    TOareaFan Member+

    Jun 19, 2008
    Greater Toronto Area
    Club:
    Toronto FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    It is not ridiculous to be concerned about number of games......it is ridiculous to suggest that a team that plays fewer games can’t catch/pass a team that plays more in the FIFA rankings.
     
  11. cloak

    cloak Member

    Aug 25, 2010
    Club:
    Toronto FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    I said it's harder, which is a fact.
     
  12. Robert Borden

    Robert Borden Member+

    Chelsea
    Canada
    Apr 19, 2017
    Toronto, Ontario
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
  13. Polygong

    Polygong Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 8, 2007
    Toronto
    Club:
    Toronto FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    New Zealand is currently without a manager, wonder if Floro will grab the job in time for this one.
     
  14. cloak

    cloak Member

    Aug 25, 2010
    Club:
    Toronto FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    Junior Hoilett renaissance continues, he'll probably find his way to Premier League next year one way or another but hopefully with Cardiff
     
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  15. EvanJ

    EvanJ Member+

    Manchester United
    United States
    Mar 30, 2004
    Nassau County, NY
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Canada is up 6 spots to 89th in the February 2018 FIFA Rankings, which is their best ranking since they were 87th in March 2016. They're tied with El Salvador for tenth in CONCACAF. El Salvador has more points when you use exact values, but FIFA rounds to the nearest whole number and has El Salvador and Canada in 89th. Canada was 85th in February 2016 and has not been better than 85th since they were 83rd in June 2013. FIFA says that neither El Salvador nor Canada plays before the March 2018 rankings, and El Salvador will gain 2 points to move ahead of Canada, who will remain with 388.
     
  16. Robert Borden

    Robert Borden Member+

    Chelsea
    Canada
    Apr 19, 2017
    Toronto, Ontario
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
  17. TOareaFan

    TOareaFan Member+

    Jun 19, 2008
    Greater Toronto Area
    Club:
    Toronto FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    yes a very good hiring indeed....when you take a risky move in the top job (as I think they have) it is always handy to have a plan B.
     
  18. Robert Borden

    Robert Borden Member+

    Chelsea
    Canada
    Apr 19, 2017
    Toronto, Ontario
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    Liam Millar, Derek Cornelius and Marcus Godinho are the new kids selected by Canada in the friendly against New Zealand

    https://www.canadasoccer.com/canada...nal-friendly-match-in-march-p161441-preview-1

    CANADA SQUAD
    GK- Milan Borjan | SRB / FK Crvena Zvezda (Red Star Belgrade)
    GK- Jayson Leutwiler | ENG / Blackburn Rovers
    GK- Simon Thomas | NOR / FK Bodø/Glimt
    CB- Derek Cornelius | SRB / FK Javor Ivanjica
    CB- David Edgar | Unattached / sans club
    CB- Dejan Jaković | USA / Los Angeles FC
    CB- Manjrekar James | HUN / Vasas Budapest
    FB- Samuel Adekugbe | NOR / Vålerenga Fotball
    FB- Marcus Godinho | SCO / Heart of Midlothian FC
    FB- Ashtone Morgan | CAN / Toronto FC
    FB- Michael Petrasso | CAN / Impact de Montréal
    M- Tesho Akindele | USA / FC Dallas
    M- Scott Arfield | ENG / Burnley FC
    M- Jay Chapman | CAN / Toronto FC
    M- Raheem Edwards | CAN / Impact de Montréal
    M- Atiba Hutchinson | TUR / Beşiktaş JK
    M- Mark-Anthony Kaye | USA / Los Angeles FC
    M- Liam Millar | ENG / Liverpool FC
    M- Jonathan Osorio | CAN / Toronto FC
    M- Samuel Piette | CAN / Impact de Montréal
    F- Cyle Larin | TUR / Beşiktaş JK
    F- Tosaint Ricketts | CAN / Toronto FC

    CANADA A-Z
    Player | Age | Where he grew up | Active start/first club
    Adekugbe, Samuel | 23 | Calgary, AB, CAN | Manchester United Grassroots
    Akindele, Tesho | 25 | Thornton, CO, USA | Mississauga
    Arfield, Scott | 29 | Livingston, SCO | Murieston Boys Club
    Borjan, Milan | 30 | Hamilton, ON, CAN | Radnicki JP
    Chapman, Jay | 24 | Campbellford, ON, CAN | Brampton East SC
    Cornelius, Derek | 20 | Ajax, ON, CAN | Ajax House League
    Edgar, David | 30 | Kitchener, ON, CAN | Kitchener Minor SA
    Edwards, Raheem | 22 | Toronto, ON, CAN | Erin Mills SC
    Godinho, Marcus | 20 | Toronto, ON, CAN | North York Azzurri
    Hutchinson, Atiba | 35 | Brampton, ON, CAN | Brampton YSC
    Jaković, Dejan | 32 | Etobicoke, ON, CAN | Rexdale SC
    James, Manjrekar | 24 | North York, ON, CAN | North York Azzurri
    Kaye, Mark-Anthony | 23 | Toronto, ON, CAN | Wexford SC
    Larin, Cyle | 22 | Brampton, ON, CAN | Brampton YSC
    Leutwiler, Jayson | 28 | Neuchâtel, SUI | FC Cornaux
    Millar, Liam | 18 | Brampton, ON, CAN | Brampton YSC
    Morgan, Ashtone | 27 | Toronto, ON, CAN | West End United
    Osorio, Jonathan | 25 | Brampton, ON, CAN | Toronto Futsal League
    Petrasso, Michael | 22 | Woodbridge, ON, CAN | Kleinburg SC
    Piette, Samuel | 23 | Le Gardeur, QC, CAN | Lionceaux de le Gardeur
    Ricketts, Tosaint | 30 | Edmonton, AB, CAN | Edmonton Juventus
    Thomas, Simon | 27 | Victoria, BC, CAN | Bays United SC
     
  19. jagum

    jagum Member

    Montreal Impact
    Venezuela
    Jun 20, 2007
    Panama City, Panama
    Club:
    Montreal Impact
    Nat'l Team:
    Venezuela
    Why is not Lucas Cavallini in the roster ? :mad:
     
  20. Robert Borden

    Robert Borden Member+

    Chelsea
    Canada
    Apr 19, 2017
    Toronto, Ontario
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    He doing well in Liga MX. Same for Hoilett. He's our best striker. This gives Liam Miller a chance
     
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  21. jagum

    jagum Member

    Montreal Impact
    Venezuela
    Jun 20, 2007
    Panama City, Panama
    Club:
    Montreal Impact
    Nat'l Team:
    Venezuela
    Herdman explained about the absence of Hoillet and Davies.... No word about Cavallini. I hope Lucas is still in the picture !
     
  22. Robert Borden

    Robert Borden Member+

    Chelsea
    Canada
    Apr 19, 2017
    Toronto, Ontario
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    He became a dad just recently too
     
  23. Robert Borden

    Robert Borden Member+

    Chelsea
    Canada
    Apr 19, 2017
    Toronto, Ontario
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada


    • David Wotherspoon, (28), Midfield, St Johnstone FC, Scottish Premiership

    • Kris Twardek, (21), Winger, Millwall, English Championship (on Loan to Carlisle United)
     
  24. Robert Borden

    Robert Borden Member+

    Chelsea
    Canada
    Apr 19, 2017
    Toronto, Ontario
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
  25. Robert Borden

    Robert Borden Member+

    Chelsea
    Canada
    Apr 19, 2017
    Toronto, Ontario
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada

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