CMNT may very well be in charge of their picks. Th eissue may be that they know the future of the team is dependent on having three strong MLS clubs in Canada, and seeing as TFC is in complete turmoil right now, they may decide that it's in their long term best interest to not pillage them right now.
That may be their motivation but they are not in charge ......TFC allowed them 5 players.....then it was 4 when TFC changed their mind on Henry....then it was 3 when new supercoachbetterthan6coaches decided Morgan was too valuable...so now the squad includes Bekker, DeRo and Roberts. You may* have CMNT's motivation for caving into TFC demands correct but to suggest CMNT is in charge in any way is way off base. * I would disagree with that as the motivation because the CMNT has never been in charge in the ~40 years I have been following them....and the three strong MLS clubs thing would only suggest a possible explanation for a very few of those years.
Hurting TFC reluctant to loan players to Canada Kurtis Larson, Toronto Sun August 28, 2014 Toronto FC was embroiled in a minor custody battle to keep a pair of critical players ahead of what could end up being its most important stretch of the season. It was a classic case of club versus country, culminating Thursday in the Canadian Soccer Association revealing its roster for an upcoming friendly against Jamaica next month in at BMO Field. Canada’s embattled men’s soccer team wanted the pick of the litter — guys like TFC’s Jonathan Osorio and Doneil Henry. They had every right to them, too, seeing as Sept. 1-9 are FIFA-mandated dates. But with the stagnant Reds set to embark on a critical stretch of games, Toronto’s top brass was hoping the CSA would show leniency in its player selection. They brokered a deal for Osorio, meaning the club’s 22-year-old midfielder, despite likely being called in, will be available for back-to-back games against Philadelphia at the beginning of next month. He won’t take part when Canada faces Jamaica in his hometown next month. But considering the injuries Toronto FC bench boss Ryan Nelsen?? is dealing with, he likely wasn’t too pleased to see Henry’s name on the CSA’s 23-man list. Ashtone Morgan, Dwayne De Rosario, Quillan Roberts and Kyle Bekker will also miss two important games against Philadelphia after being named to the team. “We’ve seen several Jamaican games and we consider them to be a physically good team,” Canada head coach Benito Floro said. “This means that technically and tactically it is a very good test for us. It’s good for us because we need to test ourselves in Toronto and show that we are progressing and moving up.” The Reds, though, are in jeopardy of moving down the table. Under normal circumstances, losing the aforementioned names wouldn’t have hurt all that much. But with Steven Caldwell and Justin Morrow — two of Toronto’s top defenders — picking up injuries last week, Toronto FC is desperate for its depth to get it through the next few weeks. Instead, most of Nelsen’s depth is stepping away when the Reds can least afford it. At the end of the day, Major League’s Soccer’s schedule is mostly to blame. Many leagues around the world abide by the FIFA calendar in order to avoid similar controversies. In North America, though, things are different. The league continues non-stop, meaning MLS teams are frequently left without important players during important stretches. It caused Nelsen to lash out at the CSA this time last year. “It’s nice that we can help them out. Hopefully, one day, we can get a favour in return,” Nelsen said ahead of last summer’s Gold Cup. “The players are more frustrated than me, anyway,” Nelsen added back then. “That may come back to hurt (Canadian soccer) in the long run.” It’s an ongoing custody battle that has been raging for some time. It’s not a stretch to say upcoming games against Philadelphia could be make or break considering the Reds are in jeopardy of falling out of the playoff picture for the first time all season. A loss to New England this weekend would be devastating. Canada’s national team players will gather for a 10-day pregame camp beginning Aug. 31. Toronto FC plays at Philly three days later, followed by a home date against Philly the following Saturday. While the Reds are set to enter those two fixtures injury-ravaged and without critical depth, their opponents appear healthy and unscathed when it comes to national team duty. And that’s a scary thing. CANADA'S ROSTER GK Kenny Stamatopoulos AIK GK Milan Borjan unattached GK Quillan Roberts Toronto FC D Nik Ledgerwood Energie Cottbus D Andre Hainault VfR Aalen D Doneil Henry Toronto FC D Dejan Jakovic Shimizu S-Pulse D Adam Straith unattached D Karl W. Ouimette Montréal Impact D Jeremy Gagnon-Laparé Montréal Impact D David Edgar Birmingham City FC M Ashtone Morgan Toronto FC M Julian de Guzman unattached M Pedro Pacheco Santa Clara M Kyle Bekker Toronto FC M Atiba Hutchinson Besiktas M Marcel de Jong Augsburg M Issey Nakajima-Farran Montréal Impact M Patrice Bernier Montréal Impact F Tosaint Ricketts Hapoel Haifa F Simeon Jackson Coventry City F Marcus Haber Crewe Alexandra F Randy Edwini-Bonsu Stuttgarter Kickers F Dwayne De Rosario Toronto FC
^of course, in the 5 days since that was written, Henry and Morgan have been recalled....so the context has to be a bit different, no? All that TFC has contributed to this squad now are De Rosario, Bekker and Roberts.
I've come to the conclusion that although TFC is the oldest Canadian MLS team in the league, they have neither the best academy talent, nor the best transfer strategy, nor the best overseas connections.
Not really sure what data went into your conclusion machine....in the original selection for this squad, Canada chose 5 TFC players and wanted 1 more but negotiated.....of those 6, 4 were TFC academy products, one was a draft and one was DeRo.
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What academy talent, transfer strategy, and overseas connections in Vancouver and Montreal lead you to this conclusion? I'm not saying you're wrong, but I'm curious why you think this.
Toronto FC's academy is, what, 6 years old? In that time it is producing 4 internationals? If Vancouver and Montreal are doing better than that....good for them and Canada is obviously in much better shape than any of us would have thought!
Montreal has a myriad of connections in Italy to bring DP's. Vancouver has connections in England and has thus far used them to acquire DP's and non-DP's. MLSE is all over the map and has no connections, hence why they needed Leiweke to get Bradley and Defoe. Proof is in the DP's/Non-DP's Montreal and Vancouver acquired before Toronto acquired Defoe and Bradley: Di Vaio, Nesta, Corradi, Rivas, Hassli, Camilo versus De Guzman, Frings, Robinson, Mista, Plata, Koevermans who have all been flops. Look at TFC/Vancouver and Montreal. Count the HGP. Proof is in the roster TFC has 3 the other two have 6. Who is REALLY helping Canadian football, TFC or Montreal and Vancouver. Finally, I'll take Teibert, Crepeau, Messoudi, Ouimette, Tissot, Clarke, Alderson, Carducci over TFC's 3 HGP, Henry, Morgan and Roberts. Interesting thing that some people don't know. Teibert was in TFC's academy and he was let go. Great eye for talent TFC. And if Camilo, Felipe and Koffie end up obtaining Canadian citizenship and becoming a part of the national team, I credit Montreal and Vancouver respectively for turning those players ON TO playing for Canada, whereas there is no current or former Toronto player who ever considered suiting up for Canada, even Frei at his peak said he was holding out for Switzerland, who is in the very least 2 deep on the NT. And finally DeRO...greatest Canadian player to never make it to europe. They treated him with such disrespect on his first go around given he was at the time the best player in the league. Seems like the "treat your star players like crap" syndrome has been carried over from the Raptors who successfully alienated the greatest NBA player at the time, Vince Carter.
Yeah, took them an awful long time to open an academy for a team in a league which was created to enhance the quality of domestic players.
2 years is an "awful long time" when they were starting from scratch without a model to follow/copy? Your personal feelings towards Toronto/MLSE are your right to have.....but they are really showing. Robinson, Frings and Koevermans were "flops".........by what standards? De Guzman can only be described as a flop if (like many in Toronto) you expected a life long DM to become an offensive threat just because you hung a DP tag on him!
Could have toured any teams academy in Europe. Sporting, Ajax are the gold standard for academies and regularly open their doors to show others how to do it. Length of tenure, production, impact on the game, impact on the team, time spent on the field, not injured. MLS model of DP's has always been spend money on attackers/players you cannot produce because you don't know how/players with significant quality that can impact a game. MLSE went out and spent money on a defensive player to retrieve the ball, instead of the guy selling the shirts and scoring. Counter-productive. Take all my Anti-Toronto arguments aside and Vancouver and Montreal still have better academies and better connections. I'll take Saputo's connections in Italy over any other Canadian teams foreign connections and most U.S. teams too.
Entering a league where the league office controls much of the business, where there was a reliance on NA style college drafts to acquire new young talent, where there was not one single operating club academy, where there were no rules in place to allow you to protect any talent that an academy would produce and where you had no idea what kind of market acceptance there would be to the league and the club.....with all those factors in place if you can honestly say that you (or the owners of the Impact and/or Whitecaps) would have said "yeah, let's make the establishment of an academy our first priority" then we are done talking because you have far to much of a visionary mind than I can cope with. All of those players had great impact on TFC when not injured....so your argument comes down to "they are flops because they suffered career ending/debilatating injuries" At the time (without the benefit of hindsight) this was all actually seen as a good thing. Not too many teams in the world think they can do well without a strength/force in the DM position. The fact that TFC were in a position where they did not need a flashy offensive goal scoring DP to sell tickets and could, instead, use the DP slot to focus on that important position....that was seen as first for the league and a real positive. As you might....but it is just an opinion that is no more (or less) valid than anyone else's
Your contention was that TFC doesn't have contacts to bring in players but then you make a long list of players they have brought in. So it appears their contacts are just fine. (We can debate whether they made good choices or not but your point was they couldn't bring guys in which is not accurate.) TFC has Canadians who actually get playing time in large amounts. Just because Osorio and Bekker don't have HGP tags doesn't mean TFC isn't helping develop young Canadian talent. And TFC has young Canadians loaned out to its USLPro affiliate, unlike the foreign players loaned out by Montreal and Vancouver. So, yes, I'll take TFC giving young Canadians playing time over Vancouver and Montreal letting guys with HGP tags ride the bench.
Okay guys, let's put this thread back on topic please. If you wish to continue this discussion further, please create a new thread for it.
Won't be on tsn...... ......Tuesday programming alert: Watch Canada vs. Jamaica in an international friendly from Toronto’s BMO Field live on Sportsnet ONE and Sportsnet World. Coverage begins at 7:30 pm ET/4:30 pm PT. If you subscribe to SNWorld then you will be able to watch it online as part of your subscription (although that may only be for Rogers tv customers...I heard somewhere if you get your tv from Bell the online part is not included in your SNW subscription).
I can't just recently started a new job but would want to watch game if there going to be options online.
Just heading to the subway from the game. Awesome game, good atmosphere. Benito Floro definitely has picked a good mix of young and old, I even saw a player I had never seen/heard of before tonight: Randy Edwini-Bonsu. 3-1 victory courtesy of Edgar, Ricketts and De Jong. Only disappointment is the so-called "Toronto FC fans" who pack that stadium every home game but some how find every excuse to not support the national team. Disappointed to see the stadium 6/10's full.
Could not watch the game but I am proud to finally see Canada win a game. Hope this momentum keeps going.