can Copa America totally replaced by World Cup South American qualifiers?

That is an awfully large number of teams all having a meltdown at the same time. If they are going to have meltdowns like that, the US should have no problem in WC qualifiers even with the terrible, unfathomably difficult home field advantage that they supposedly possess.

 

See. There you go. Because you believe they are better, they are better regardless of the result?

I think I get it now. It doesn't matter if you win or if you draw or if you lose. You are better no matter what.

 

Some teams match up better with certain teams. AKA us vs mex

Having said that ask all the neutral observers this question

Who would have a better chance of beating _______ (insert top footballing nation) US or Mexico?


As for the qualifiers.

ELEVATION COUNTS

Ecuador and Bolivia are places where teams dread going.

I think those teams would hate going to Azteca to play a better team than Bolivia or Ecuador and in the high altitude.

Mexico would have a great home record and get some away results. That is all you need ask Ecuador.

 

I guess you can't detect sarcasm...? Your statement was ludicrous, so I made mine equally ludicrous so you could see the hole you are digging yourself into.

Can't believe I actually had to explain that.

 

Now you're making sense.

 

Of course, you respond to that post and not the one before it that I explained that the meltdown was only a precusor and not the cause. I suppose I should have expected that from you though.

 

Funny guy. I'm falling on the floor laughing. Boy you really got me with that one.

 

... except the real cause you imply (team reorganization) is equally ludicrous, and thus not worth pointing out. Keep bringing up ridiculous arguments and I'll keep mocking them, spazzo.

And yes, keep expecting more insightful comments from me.

 

for those who say mexico/USA are better than south american teams, i invite you to argument what you are saying, I mean you word doesn't have much value, why don't you give us some proofs of why you are saying that.
i say EVERY south american team is better than mexico and USA, but I have proofs.

First of all, i think those who say mexico/USA are better than south american teams, they mean right now? right? because if they also mean historically, they are so ignorant

in this last world cup we could watch how
Ecuador beat costarica 3-0
Paraguay beat trinidad and tobago 2-0
Argentine beat mexico 2-1

now in the most recent tournament where south americans and concacaf teams are facing each other is in juegos centroamericanos y del caribe, and well, we all now the end, colombia and venezuela swept the floor with all those centroamericans and caribeans, and now they are gonna play the final



if we talk historically, i don't think nobody has a doubt that every south american team is better than mexico/USA
if we talk about u-17, u-20 , u-23 i neither think any of us has any doubt that any south american team is better than mexico./USA, didn't we see how colombia was third in 2003 u-20 w.c? and how paraguay won silver medal in 2004 olympyc football?

I think the problem of mexico and US fans is that they are saying their senior national team is better right now than most south american teams? well, you are crazy, i already give you the most recent proofs of senior games between south americans and concacaf


i have already said south american teams are better than mexico/USA, not only historically, but also right now in all the categories, u-17, u-20,. u-23, and senior teams, but i'd also like to say that US women national team is better than every south american women;s national team, and also mexico/usa are better than every south american team in friendlies.

let's be fair, every side has something good
take care!

 

They were better... this is the same team that beat Argentina 5-0 in BUENOS AIRES. They played a very solid WCQ, had gone to QF in WC '90, so yes, they were expected to go very far and better then an unknown USA.

 

uhmmm, not exactly. You forget a small detail . Mexico was the U17 World cup champions played last year in Peru....

 

don't go bringing facts into this discussion.

 

good point

 

How does showing results of Costa Rica and T&T against Ecuador and Paraguay prove that the US and Mexico are worse than everybody in CONMEBOL?

How does Columbia and Venezuela beating teams from Central America and the Caribbean in juegos centroamericanos y del caribe prove that Mexico and the US are worse than all of the teams in CONMEBOL?

I don't know about other people, but I have never said that any team in CONCACAF is better than Argentina or Brazil. My contention is that the US and Mexico are as good as most of the teams in CONMEBOL and you showing me a result where Argentina beats Mexico by just 1 goal doesn't disprove that, it actually is evidence to prove that.

How can you compare youth tournaments to the top national team? And if you insist on doing so, it was Mexico that won the last U-17's.

You said that you were going to show some proof. All I saw was proof that Argentina is better than Mexico. Who is going to argue with that point? The real question is how will Mexico and the US do against every team in CONMEBOL other than Argentina and Brazil. You didn't show anything that would say that Mexico and the US couldn't hold their own against the other 8 teams in CONMEBOL.

The proof that the US can beat the other 8 CONMEBOL teams is that the US is 6-0 against teams in the CONMEBOL other than Brazil and Argentina from 2002 to present with a margin of victory of 12-1.

As I stated above, the US is not as good as Argentina or Brazil. The US is 0-3 against Argentina and Brazil with a margin of loss of 1-4 over the same time span. However, playing 3 games against these 2 teams and only losing by 1 goal in each game is not that bad. It is certainly not what you would expect from a team that is worse than every team in CONMEBOL.

 

No, Copa America can not be totally replaced by World Cup South American qualifiers. Copa America is an entertaining tournament that brings in much needed revenue for CONMEBOL. To get rid of it would be stupid.

 

If it is so hard to win in Bolivia that even Brazil can't beat them there, then why did Bolivia finish last in WC qualifying?

 

You make it sound like the US schedules the match and then says, "Oh, please don't send your top squad. We want to face the weakest team you can put together."

 

wat do you have alzheimer's?? We already talked about your silly contention ... 6- 0 since 2002... ALL FRIENDLIES, ALL PRETTY MUCH IN US TERRITORY (where you are SUPPOSED to WIN), AND AGAINST YOUNG/INEXPERIENCED SIDES (Let's say B-C category as they love using in these forums) OF THE CONMEBOL REGION.

So if we go to only Competive tourneys since 1990, let's review the US participation in their 2 Copa Americas, WC and GC participations WITHOUT BRAZ + ARG:

COPA AMERICA
GAMES PLAYED: 6
GAMES WON: 1
DREW: 1
GAMES LOST: 4
GOAL DIF: - 6

WCUP

GAMES PLAYED: 1
GAMES WON: 1
DREW: 0
GAMES LOST: 0
GOAL DIF: +1

IN ALL GOLD CUP PLAY:

GAMES PLAYED: 2
GAMES WON: 1
DREW: 0
GAMES LOST: 1
GOAL DIF: 0

So in all official play (I'll even throw in the GC as 'official'), you have:
GAMES PLAYED: 9
GAMES WON: 3
DREW: 1
GAMES LOST: 5
GOAL DIF: - 5

how do you figure you have ANY room to talk?

 

You ask that question as if both statements are interrelated. Everyone has problems playing in La Paz... some more than others. Chile seems to get good results in La Paz, but Brazil always has problems playing there... same thing for Argentina.

 

No, I don't have Alzheimer's and the stats above have no more meaning than those I gave.

An interesting thing about the Copa America games was that the US made it to the semi-finals of the 1995 Copa. One semi-final finish in 2 tries is not to poor of a showing. However, the Copa America matches you mention were over a decade ago. Although, the World Cup match you mention favors the US, it was also over a decade ago. You claim that you are willing to throw in the Gold Cup games, but I am sure that when I point out that it was really a win and a draw (Columbia moved on via PK's), you will go back to the we didn't send our A team excuse.

What it all comes down to is that we don't have any recent matches that you will claim the SA teams had their top team.

 

w/ exception of mexico and Us, ever other team in concacaf are a joke but even then, if Mexico and Us were in playing they would still have a hard time, not saying u guys wont make it but it will be hard. u would be fighting for spots because in SA everyone is good and everyone can qualify, the weak teams arent weak any more, Venezuela is very good now and i wouldnt be suprised if they make to 2010. Costa Rica isnt awful but if they were with us theyd be the new Boliva.

 

brazil , argentina , mexico, the rest, zzzzzzzzZZZZZZZZ.

 

You gotta love how Concacaf praisers just transfer their records over and think they are gonna qualify with ease. It's great. Quite amusing.

 

infected is infected with narcolepsy....can't you tell by his posts?

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