With the recent moves Chinese clubs have done, can their national team find a spot in the top 50 within the next 10 years?
It might depend on how long the Chinese economy keeps going strong ... how fragile is the Chinese market?
Most Chinese clubs are named after their company owners too ... so not sure how much traction the teams will get outside of China. Or what happens when these companies start to struggle financially ... I am pretty sure shareholders will tell them to ditch their club expenses to improve their bottom dollar.
Its kinda crazy that they see their failure in football a real problem. The government even stepped in and is supporting the league. I dont understand why football is more important that other matters in a country. I feel like the Chinese govt are just wasting a huge amount of money that can be used to help the people.
Football can be a powerful political tool to make people forget about the social issues or government failures specially in dictatorships. It has been done in Brazil and now it is happening in Iran. Once people got attached to it, it will be hard to forget about it. I don't think Chinese get anywhere by simply dumping money in their league. They need to make this sport presentable for the public, work on grass roots and develop football academies. Perhaps then they may get good results in next 10 years. It seems Chinese companies don't follow this policy and just want to cash in soon. That won't help them to develop.
If you have a big competitive local league, it's just matter of time. Their NT will become strong and superpower at least in Asia in 10 years or more. I see within 3 to 4 Asian Cups.
Evergrande have built the biggest academy in the world ... http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...y-with-biggest-football-academy-on-earth.html
Not bad for a start but 50 pitches and 2400 students still can not baet the joy of football in football crazy countries. I don't know about Australia, South Korea or Japan but I know in Iran many kids start playing football from very early age sometimes as young as 5 year old and practice that every single day for at least 3 to 4 hours. Where I come from I used to play football 4 hours a day just with my neighbors, add to that playing in school with classmates and then football competitions in Summer when we used to play 8 hours a day to get the image. Certainly, this is not just enough to develop standard technical skills or tactical understanding but it shapes few gifted people out of thousands of football players. Give the facilities South Korea, Japan or any second grade European teams have to Iran and watch them advance to quarterfinal or beyond in world cup. From those local Iranian competitions people such as Ali Karimi and Vahid Shamsaei came along. Football is the first choice of sport for almost all Iranian kids. Dribbling and tiki taka is in our blood and it can be showing when we play futsal. I know English kids love football as well since I have played with them, so I imagine Australians must love it too. I have played football with south Koreans and Chinese players abroad and I have to say Chinese have close to no talent in football and their physical strength won't help them either. In other hand, Korean kids had talent and passion for the football. Our local team has a rivalry with them and they keep coming back asking for more matches. What I see here is only a good start but a far cry from developing great potentials. It needs good marketing and motivation among Chinese kids to follow football seriously for some decades to see them at top of Asia. I hope they can add something to the Asian competition to get out of this traditional 4 or 5 top teams making it to WC all the times or collecting most of the AC medals.
Yeah would be interesting to hear from some Chinese posters about how much football has become part of their culture now.
No because they're trying to find an easy way out. http://blogs.wsj.com/chinarealtime/...road-for-soccer-talent-sparking-online-furor/
I can understand the investment of foreign coaches and players in their domestic league ... to bring up their own players, but I personally really don't like this. However if a player comes to the country and becomes a citizen through the normal channels I have no problems. In Australia several players have done this (more so that they don't occupy a visa spot than push for national selection). This process is not sustainable, and look at the negativity that Qatar are gaining in most sports (I believe their handball team was one of the worse examples ever, with only a handful of actual Qatari players in the squad).
buying south american players to monopolize the AFC champions league medals is not going to help their national team. we have been hearing since 2002 how china is going to be an asian power in football. i did not believe it then, i do not believe it now. i dont see any signs of them improving in a manner that would bring them into the top 4. i dont even see any indication that they will be a floating top 5 on par with uzbekistan/uae/saudi.
Considering that it appears only in the last 2 to 3 years that they have actually started to make any in-roads to youth development, I would imagine it will take at least 10 years before they approach any great heights in Asia.
China announced its soccer reform and development plan,sets goal of hosting World Cup. According to the plan, the Chinese Football Association is now a fully An independent legal, and nolonger a governmental agency. Regarding the C-League, based on the Currentlly CFA League Council and CSL management company, the New CSL Council and China League Council will be established, both will be separate legal entity, means the CFA will nolonger holds equity of the League, currenttly the CFA holds 36% of the stocks of the CSL company. Starts from January 10 2016, the League council had forbid club to relocate from their current province. the League council also starts the plan to reform the current 3rd level and 4th level league,China League 2, the current 3rd level will be fully professional starts from 2018,the CAL, which is the 4th level and currentlly ameteurish championship, will be restructured to be a semi-pro League in 2017,and renamed as China League 3, there will be Promotion/relegation between China League 2 and China League 3. The Shares of football club will be open to Private shareholders and local government, currentlly it only opens to Government owned or private owned companies. encorages local governments invests football clubs with facilities and infrastructure, encorages clubs to use Neutral names instead of sponsor names. The League will be expanded, in earlier plan announced by the CFA, The CSL will have 18 clubs in 2020, while China League 1 will expand to 20 clubs, China League 2 will expand to 24 clubs.
football is a fantastic way for us as humans to be distracted from all of life's problems. power to them my boy greenlion and beijing guon are taking the title this year baby!
It really depends on There are quite a few serious problem Chinese football must face: 1.Parents don't want their kids to become a player because the attrition rate of learners are quite high and you won't know whether your kid can actually become a professional player until 15-17, by the time it will be too late for them to go back to school. 2.There are no enough field and stadiums for such space-consuming sport. And most kids prefer video games and porn than sport (I'being serious, less and less kids play sports) 3.Corrpution of the CFA. None of the officers of CFA actually give a xxxx about the future of football. There is no benefits for them to work hard because by the time their effort pays they will be retired for many years. 4.Useless academies. Only rich kids can afford to attend soccer schools, and you know, rich kids never work hard. 5.None of the sponsors who are paying big $$ for european players are planning to stay in the field for more than 5 years. So they don't build soccer schools/train young players. It really depends on how much determination the government shows. Firstly they need to let everybody believe that football is going to be favoured by the leaders for a very long time. (which is hard, because the leaders always overthrow everything of his former) Then the businessman will start for a long term plans. And then all the money will goes to youth training/infrastructure building. Anyway I think China have the potential to become a strong nation in football. But for now (and the next 20 years) the realistic goal is to become a stable second-tiers team e.g top12 in Asia.
I can't believe your making excuses Your first 2 problems are an issue in Korea also. We have 50 million ppl instead of 1.4 billion. Our league does not have a lot of money so our best players go to china. Korean ppl have no interest in our domestic league and we have mandatory military service. Plus the government does not give a crap about football. Football should be seen as a sport not as a government issue.
Excuses? It came off as reasons for being skeptical to me. Also, did you know at least half of the K-league clubs are owned & operated by city gov'ts? The wages & etc are paid with taxes + are used for political agendas. Anyways, why do you care about China, Iran, Iraq, or whomever so much?
Dont like how China are taking our players and returning them all shitty and virtually ending their chances of european football. The Chinese are tearing apart our league even though they are doing it fairly. I know alot of clubs are owned by the city, but the clubs dont get copious amount of money and much support. The only time I get a lil pissed at Iraq is the age thing (but alot of them admit to it, so not that mad), but i am cool with every thing else. Cool with Iran, we are kinda in the same situation in terms of football.
Well, for one.. you were wrong about Korean gov't not caring about football since at least half of the K-league clubs are operated through gov't support (and can't survive without it). Majority of the locals who pay taxes for city/gov't owned clubs prefer the taxes to be used for real life issues (education, infrastructure and etc). So yes, gov't is meddling on sport issue for political agenda & more. As for the whole China & Korean players.. umm, how is that the fault of Chinese league? Players chose to join the Chinese league. They are well compensated financially. If the player had offers from Europe, I'm sure majority of them would have taken that offer. However.. they probably didn't have such offers. What's wrong for players to take the money? KSW is in K-league, tries often to join European clubs but he can't because he doesn't have any offers or interest. You can say the same with Kim Seung-Dae. Player with military exemption & sold to China for only 2m USD (for that price, even BL2 clubs could have purchased him) because he probably didn't have any interest from Europe. Btw, did the thought of player ruining himself or wasn't good in the 1st place ever come up? Why are you blaming everything on Chinese league? And finally.. on Iraq. Don't care about Iraq in general but this whole "age" issue is going over the tops. From majority of my reading in this forum, everything is based on "one" random source. Give me at least 3 credible sources on this "age conspiracy"... otherwise, this is nothing but constant whining for no good reason imo.
The clubs that are support by the government never do well compared to the richer privately owned clubs for obvious reasons. Even though they get support they are not receiving enough help to stay competitive enough to challenge for the title. Players that go to China will remain stagnant, compared to f they were to stay in Korea or Japan . Also for the few in China that are good enough to go to Europe, they are priced way to high so no european club can afford them. I also admit that I am a little jealous of all the money and support from fans China are getting even though their football has been below par.
Again, even if they receive small or very little "support".. you can't deny gov't is meddling on sport "issue" as you put it. You attacked Chinese gov't .. well, Korean gov't is doing the same.. even if that support is little. Btw, what are your thoughts on players stagnating or "ruined" after they joined European clubs? Where's the fuss on this issue?
I never "attacked" the government. I just said its a little silly to give their clubs that much money. The local Korean government can do the same but it would be irresponsible to the citizens that they represent.