Camp Cupcake: Jan 2019 Edition

Discussion in 'USA Men: News & Analysis' started by keller4president, Oct 12, 2018.

  1. TheHoustonHoyaFan

    Oct 14, 2011
    Houston
    Club:
    FC Schalke 04
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  2. Excellency

    Excellency Member+

    LA Galaxy
    United States
    Nov 4, 2011
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Darcy Norman's resume is grade A, anyway.

    Norman’s soccer-specific experience includes time as Performance Data Analyst and Fitness Rehab Coach with the German Men’s National Team from 2012-2018, helping Die Mannschaft to the 2014 FIFA World Cup title and third-place finish at Euro 2016. From 2015-2018, Norman also worked as the Director of Performance with Italian club AS Roma, helping the side to a semifinal appearance in 2017-18 UEFA Champions League. Prior to those positions, he worked as the Strength Coach and Rehab Specialist for Bayern Munich, helping the German club to the 2009-10 Bundesliga and DFB-Pokal Championship and the Final of that season’s UEFA Champions League.
     
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  3. 50/50 Ball

    50/50 Ball Member+

    Sep 6, 2006
    USA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

    Once it was revealed that JK left off LD to take two injured wing/forwards in his stead I lost nearly all respect for him as a coach. The discussion of overrated is irrelevant and smacks of the fallacy of infinite choice. LD was fit and ready, he was clearly a superiour player to the injured alternatives.

    That was an outrageous decision. I challenge you to point out a more deliberate sabotage of a team, ever. JK set the roster up like it was an exhibition.

    I can't think of a guy in any sport I follow being cut from a team that so clearly needed his services without an arrest intervening.
     
  4. 50/50 Ball

    50/50 Ball Member+

    Sep 6, 2006
    USA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

    I have it down as the worst managing decision across any sport I follow. It is the worst because it was premeditated.
     
  5. Suyuntuy

    Suyuntuy Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    Vancouver, Canada
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  6. juveeer

    juveeer Member+

    Aug 3, 2006
    I.Can't.Rep.This.Enough!
     
  7. Suyuntuy

    Suyuntuy Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    Vancouver, Canada
    "Make first [touch relevant?]."
    "Rotation to disorganize [defense?]."
    "If marked move to open space."
    "Time on the ball stay, not [rush?]."
    "Start the attack on one side, finish [on the other?]."
    "Time off the ball pushing forward, runs to [their area?]."
    Defensive principle: "Press after loss of possession."
    Exercises:
    4v4 +3
    Functional 11v11
    Tournament 6v6

    Very fundamental stuff. Although the 4v4+3 are fun, I remember playing those a lot back in the day.
     
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  8. Master O

    Master O Member+

    Jul 7, 2006
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The problem is that by going to the games, you are just handing USSF more money and that won't change anything.
     
  9. Patrick167

    Patrick167 Member+

    Dortmund
    United States
    May 4, 2017
    I agree with all this. Plus, they are putting all this time and effort into this roster. Most of this roster is not really even vying for a spot on the real roster. There are guys they are paying, housing, and teaching in depth daily who can't even crack a USL starting 11.

    They have everyone in a bunker, but 80% of the guys in the bunker on radio silence are not the guys you are going to war with.
     
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  10. TheHoustonHoyaFan

    Oct 14, 2011
    Houston
    Club:
    FC Schalke 04
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  11. juvechelsea

    juvechelsea Member+

    Feb 15, 2006
    In GC 2003 and 2015 were jointly held with Mexico and Canada respectively, and 2019 will see a single doubleheader abroad for 2 of the non American groups. Olympic qualifying is about half abroad half here, and it's been decades since we've hosted U20 or U17 regional championships.

    It's about greed, both ours and the region's. Ours is straightforward and I assume theirs that they get their share of the gate at massive American football stadia for popular teams like us and Mexico.

    In terms of deciding to continue this, I am sure that there is some sort of hosting vote or bidding process with a nexus where we submit our willingness and they then choose ("confirm") their host. All we have to do is say, nah, how about every other time Canada, Mexico, someone else handles this instead. I am sure we are a willing participant in CONCACAF's rubber stamp.

    The only other thing in that neighborhood of unmitigated greed is any game we play on rolled out sod, which also sometimes counts GC. That is not preparation for real soccer games, that is a spectacle, and it usually involves Brazil, Argentina, some team that could provide a serious contest, but instead we get some distorted simulacrum of soccer.
     
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  12. juvechelsea

    juvechelsea Member+

    Feb 15, 2006
    We shall see who sticks and you are probably right. They are probably coaching up many players in the system who we won't see again. I do expect a more serious version of this, this summer at GC. This is more like practice (but for the coaches) or symbolic. But they won't get this long of a chance for the March window or any May games. It'll be GC camp.

    Catch 22 being that I wouldn't trust Sarachan's talent eval and if Berhalter is truly changing the team then he should be broadly looking at how the pool fits his system, basically a redo of last year. But I assume some mix of our selecting to win obsession and the drive to school the core players will turn GC 2019 into a perceived A team camp. In which case this summer the perceived "right players" will get the same system boot camp.

    My concern is based on how we fared under Sarachan I would question if we had identified the right players. I think a lot was Sarachan's lack of tactical nous and conservatism. But I am not sold this will be the endgame group either.
     
  13. Suyuntuy

    Suyuntuy Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    Vancouver, Canada
    I count many on this roster who are serious contender to make the qualifiers:

    - Steffen, Bono

    - Cannon, Glad, Lima

    - Acosta, Arriola, Delgado, Canouse, Trapp

    - Zardes

    That's 11 players, a sizable contingent. Most of them would be backups, but we need to find a winger, a left back, a defensive mid, a center back who's not just the physical type (virtually all our CBs in Europe are troncos), a backup keeper, and a couple of strikers in case Weah & Haji don't pan out.
     
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  14. TheHoustonHoyaFan

    Oct 14, 2011
    Houston
    Club:
    FC Schalke 04
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Facts are important!

    You totally made that up, it never happened.
     
  15. TimB4Last

    TimB4Last Member+

    May 5, 2006
    Dystopia
    Would you believe one who was injured and one who was injury prone?
     
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  16. Lloyd Heilbrunn

    Lloyd Heilbrunn Member+

    Feb 11, 2002
    Jupiter, Fl.
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Apologies, I never realized one joke harkening back to "Anyone can play left back", would lead to five pages of JK-LD bullshit...
     
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  17. Suyuntuy

    Suyuntuy Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    Vancouver, Canada
    You see, in a more soccer-savvy country, they'd put those two in a show to talk about the sport and call it something like "The Landon & Jurgen Show."
     
  18. TheHoustonHoyaFan

    Oct 14, 2011
    Houston
    Club:
    FC Schalke 04
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #643 TheHoustonHoyaFan, Jan 22, 2019
    Last edited: Jan 22, 2019
    Would you believe that "We will build a wall and Mexico will pay for it"? Show me the facts, please. Give me names.

    Be sure to remember that AJ got hurt in training in Brazil long after the cut to 23 was made.
     
  19. TimB4Last

    TimB4Last Member+

    May 5, 2006
    Dystopia
    #644 TimB4Last, Jan 22, 2019
    Last edited: Jan 22, 2019
    Let's start with Aron Jóhannsson (spelling courtesy of Wiki). IIRC he was injured before the World Cup, was not 100% at the Cup, and only saw limited action there.

    US Soccer records show that Jóhannsson replaced injured Jozy Altidore v Ghana, then DNP v Portugal, Germany or Belgium. What say you?

    Edit: Nice edit, but not true. He was hurt during his club season, and he never returned to full fitness pre-Cup.
     
  20. Dr.Phil

    Dr.Phil Member+

    Jan 18, 2004
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    https://sports.yahoo.com/johannsson...-cup-debutante-iceland-iceland-162842831.html

    https://www.transfermarkt.com/aron-johannsson/nationalmannschaft/spieler/119169/verein_id/3505

    https://www.transfermarkt.com/aron-...ils/spieler/119169/wettbewerb/NL1/verein/1090

    He seemed fine before the WC. Didnt miss any club games. Was left on the bench during the WC warm up games. Then got injured after the World cup
     
  21. TheHoustonHoyaFan

    Oct 14, 2011
    Houston
    Club:
    FC Schalke 04
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #646 TheHoustonHoyaFan, Jan 22, 2019
    Last edited: Jan 22, 2019
    Not true this was analyzed and addressed ad nauseam:

    Johannsson could grit his teeth and play through the ankle pain, but in Brazil, another old injury began to flare up: "I had a hernia in 2012. They did the surgery, but apparently they didn't make it good enough." Johannsson couldn't remember exactly what set it off, but said it began bothering him right when they got to Brazil—long after Klinsmann had cut Donovan.

    "In training, I couldn't show my level," Johannsson says. "I was in the physio room four hours a day trying to get ready. [They would do] everything. Treatment, needles, ice, everything. They tried everything. In the [Ghana] game, I had no problem. I felt nothing. I don't know if it was the excitement and the adrenaline, but you know in trainings after that I couldn't show the coaches or the players my best level."

    https://sports.vice.com/en_us/article/yp74ag/aron-johannssons-injury-hell-is-finally-over

    Johannsson's injury wasn't picked up during the Yanks' World Cup in Brazil but was an long-term injury that the striker wanted to address, Stewart clarified.

    "He's had this injury for a longer while than at the U.S. national team," Stewart said in an telephone interview. "It was something that you could play with; it wasn't a problem to. I've played with the same problem myself. Once it's time to rest, it's something that can aggravate you every time you step out on the field."

    http://www.espn.com/soccer/united-s...n-aron-johannssonjozy-altidore-and-freddy-adu
     
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  22. juveeer

    juveeer Member+

    Aug 3, 2006
    Well.....let's HOPE they aren't the guys we are going to war with!
     
  23. schrutebuck

    schrutebuck Member+

    Jul 26, 2007
    Berhalter has slashed the squad down to 23 players for the matches:

    DETAILED ROSTER BY POSITION (Club; Caps/Goals):
    GOALKEEPERS (2): Sean Johnson (New York City FC; 5/0), Zack Steffen (Columbus Crew SC; 6/0)

    DEFENDERS (8): Reggie Cannon (FC Dallas; 2/0), Nick Lima (San Jose Earthquakes; 0/0), Aaron Long (New York Red Bulls; 2/0), Daniel Lovitz (Montreal Impact/CAN; 0/0), Mark McKenzie (Philadelphia Union; 0/0), Keegan Rosenberry (Colorado Rapids; 0/0), Auston Trusty (Philadelphia Union; 0/0), Walker Zimmerman (LAFC; 4/1)

    MIDFIELDERS (10): Paul Arriola (D.C. United; 17/2), Corey Baird (Real Salt Lake; 0/0), Michael Bradley (Toronto FC/CAN; 142/17), Russell Canouse (D.C. United; 0/0), Marky Delgado (Toronto FC/CAN; 6/0), Jonathan Lewis (New York City FC; 0/0), Sebastian Lletget (LA Galaxy; 5/1), Djordje Mihailovic (Chicago Fire; 0/0), Cristian Roldan (Seattle Sounders FC; 5/0), Wil Trapp (Columbus Crew SC; 11/0)

    FORWARDS (3): Jeremy Ebobisse (Portland Timbers, 0/0), Christian Ramirez (LAFC; 0/0), Gyasi Zardes (Columbus Crew SC; 40/6)


    Four players were released back to their clubs: goalkeepers Alex Bono and Tyler Miller, defender Justen Glad and midfielder Kellyn Acosta.


    https://www.ussoccer.com/stories/20...al-travel-roster-panama-costa-rica-friendlies
     
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  24. TimB4Last

    TimB4Last Member+

    May 5, 2006
    Dystopia
    So now I have to fight a war on two fronts simultaneously? This was pretty easy to find:

    https://www.transfermarkt.com/aron-johannsson/verletzungen/spieler/119169

    Aron Jóhannsson
    INJURY HISTORY

    13/14 Knee Injury May 1, 2014 May 15, 2014 14 days {Missed} 5 Games

    14/15 Ankle Surgery Jul 3, 2014 Sep 29, 2014 88 days {Missed} 8 Games

    14/15 Groin Surgery Aug 18, 2014 Oct 27, 2014 70 days {Missed} 9 Games

    You guys worry me.

    But Jóhannsson himself is not really the point. Klinsmann was not going to include Donovan on his roster, period, under any circumstances. It's not that Donovan just missed out, or was in Klinsmann's top 30 but not his top 23. Klinsmann could not bring himself to go to Brazil with 22 warriors plus Donovan. Jóhannsson's presence on the roster is just one element of proof, but in truth he is almost entirely irrelevant to the larger argument.

    Donovan's fans were frustrated then and are still frustrated now because they knew and know that Donovan was obviously and evidently one of the top 23 players available in our pool at the time. But Klinsmann had his own ideas, and it was his selection to make.
     
  25. Pegasus

    Pegasus Member+

    Apr 20, 1999
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Some of you are going to be on your death bed and instead of rosebud you'll be whispering Donovan, Klinsman or Arena.
     
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