Post-match: CA 2015, Quartas: Brasil x Paraguai, 6/27 [R]

Discussion in 'Brazil' started by Mengão86, Jun 26, 2015.

  1. Emperor Adriano

    Emperor Adriano Member+

    Jun 17, 2009
    Utica NY (the refugee city)
    Club:
    Santos FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Those were my big two takeaways. That spine of the team was a wall, even with Felipe Luiz getting caught in no mans land numerous times, I felt pretty comfortable befote the penalty in terms of Getting the win.
     
  2. omajac

    omajac Member+

    Feb 9, 2002
    East Orange, New Jersey, USA
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    I know this may sound extreme, but later down the line do a foreign coach get a chance?
     
  3. Marius Tresor

    Marius Tresor Member

    Aug 1, 2014
    Paraguay is not very good. Their only real chance at a result was that strange, lucky penalty call.

    Robinho looked terrific again today. It would be nice to see Willian Neymar Robinho up front now when Neymar comes back.
     
  4. celito

    celito Member+

    Palmeiras
    Brazil
    Feb 28, 2005
    USA
    Club:
    Palmeiras Sao Paulo
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Look at the players. I said it before the game that it may be Dunga's specialty tactic wise, but you need the human capital to make it work. Before he had Kaka' and Robinho (younger). With Neymar gone, there was nothing left in the counter attacking department.
     
  5. celito

    celito Member+

    Palmeiras
    Brazil
    Feb 28, 2005
    USA
    Club:
    Palmeiras Sao Paulo
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Ta explicado :ROFLMAO:

    http://www.gazetaesportiva.net/noti...res-com-virose-mas-maioria-diz-estar-bem.html

    "Não é desculpa e nem atenuante, mas 15 jogadores tiveram uma virose e tivemos que limitar os treinos. Esse era um jogo que exigia velocidade, e não conseguimos", disse.

    "Eles tinham muita dor de cabeça, nas costas, mal estar no corpo. Uns sentiram mais do que os outros. Tivemos que diminuir bastante a intensidade dos treinamentos para tentar recuperá-los. Alguns tiveram ânsia de vômito. Tivemos que atenuar os treinamentos", reforçou.
     
  6. celito

    celito Member+

    Palmeiras
    Brazil
    Feb 28, 2005
    USA
    Club:
    Palmeiras Sao Paulo
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    I hope Thiago Silva will be in the 2016 Olympic team ....

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  7. celito

    celito Member+

    Palmeiras
    Brazil
    Feb 28, 2005
    USA
    Club:
    Palmeiras Sao Paulo
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    He definitely will have his hands full. I don't see this generation winning squat though.
     
  8. Guinho

    Guinho BigSoccer Yellow Card

    May 27, 2001
    San Francisco, CA
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Can we fire DUnga now, please?
     
  9. celito

    celito Member+

    Palmeiras
    Brazil
    Feb 28, 2005
    USA
    Club:
    Palmeiras Sao Paulo
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Never said it didn't. But it isn't completely Dunga's fault. As Mourinho would say ... bad eggs :ROFLMAO:
     
  10. MerlinRM

    MerlinRM Member+

    May 5, 2014
    NorthEast USA
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Man I can't believe we lost to Paraguay of all teams. I didn't think we'd win this Copa but I didn't think we'd go out so early. I am glad we won't participate in Confederations Cup though. That tournament gives every manager false hope. This way we'll go into WC18 battle hardened after the qualifiers.

    This sounds extreme but its time we clean house on multiple players who will be over 30 in 2018 or play in weak leagues. I'd rather gamble on Rafinha, Lucas Silva(hopefully getting loaned), Casemiro, Wendell, Alex Sandro, Wallace, etc be promoted and prepped for 2018 than the likes of Elias, Felipe Luis, Fernandinho taking up spots. It probably won't happen under Dunga tho. The idea that you need a squad filled with world class players is a myth but Dunga has taken this literal with the amount of scrubs on this team.
     
  11. Marius Tresor

    Marius Tresor Member

    Aug 1, 2014
    Take aways from this Copa Am.

    Players who should no longer be starters:

    Firmino
    David Luiz
    Felipe Luis
    Thiago Silva
    Coutinho

    Players who should start:

    Miranda
    Robinho
    Dani Alves
    Willian
    Neymar

    Captain:

    Miranda or Robinho

    The rest is still in question.
     
  12. johnbarley2

    johnbarley2 Member

    Jan 19, 2013
    Douglas Costa was so good. Can't believe you guys still don't rate him just cause he plays for Shaktar.
     
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  13. Kaka10725

    Kaka10725 Member+

    Jun 1, 2007
    Based on this tournament and looking ahead to qualifiers, I would keep Miranda and Willian as starters and I also add Alves to the team. From the injury list I would add Danilo, Luis Gustavo and Oscar. Everyone else left a bad taste in my mouth at one point or another. Some should be completely dropped from the NT permanently. Some should be bench players and some have to earn there spot again IMO.
     
  14. Lockeroom

    Lockeroom Member

    Apr 11, 2008
    Brazil played better football under Scolari. Until the match against Germany at the World Cup. His line up Julio César - D. Alves, DL, TS, Marcelo - Paulinho, Luiz Gustavo, Oscar - Hulk, Fred, Neymar wasn't bad, but the substitutes weren't good.
     
  15. Kaka10725

    Kaka10725 Member+

    Jun 1, 2007
    We played a bunch of long balls under Scolari. Dunga relied on the flanks and tried to build up play but it consistently broke down in the final 3rd. Neither was very appealing to watch. The only constant was the inability of the midfield to control the game and link the defense to the the attack.
     
  16. celito

    celito Member+

    Palmeiras
    Brazil
    Feb 28, 2005
    USA
    Club:
    Palmeiras Sao Paulo
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    There was probably a good reason for that tactic.
     
  17. celito

    celito Member+

    Palmeiras
    Brazil
    Feb 28, 2005
    USA
    Club:
    Palmeiras Sao Paulo
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Paraguai 1 (4) x 1 (3) Selecao Brasileira Paraguaia - FT
     
  18. Mengão86

    Mengão86 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Flamengo
    Brazil
    Nov 16, 2005
    Maryland, RJ/ES/PE
    Club:
    Flamengo Rio Janeiro
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Improvement over four years ago. At least we converted on some PKs, even though Douglas Costa pulled an Elano. Everton Ribeiro took the PK with "500 kilos de bosta" in his shorts. :rolleyes:
     
  19. Kaka10725

    Kaka10725 Member+

    Jun 1, 2007
    Yep, our midfielders are thrash.
     
  20. Kaka10725

    Kaka10725 Member+

    Jun 1, 2007
    Didn't make sense at first but I understand why Miranda was chosen as Captain over Silva
     
  21. omajac

    omajac Member+

    Feb 9, 2002
    East Orange, New Jersey, USA
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Now I hear some of our players had a virus?? Dungaitis!!!:x3:
     
  22. IVO !

    IVO ! Member

    Feb 25, 2009
    RIO AND CHICAGO
    Club:
    Flamengo Rio Janeiro
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    First half Brasil played very well, second half once again was a disaster.
    Substitutions of Robinho and Willian IMO was a terrible mistake. Why take out the only two players that are making things happen? Why take out your leader Robinho?
    I am still very puzzled at the choice of penalty kickers. Robinho is one of the best PK kickers in Brasil, then you have Diego Tardeli.
    We need to relax - this is a rebuilding process, and champion teams are made from a base which we have. The team responded well without Neymar, but it is still clear that Neymar is still desperately needed.
    No doubt Dunga will continue as our coach, as long as we have a good showing in the WC qualifiers. Now it's on the WC qualifiers and I am confident we will do well.
     
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  23. samuel_clemens

    Dec 20, 2005
    Los Angeles CA
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    We fared worse in 2011 with a better roster. Maicon, Dani were sill in their 20s, JC was there, Lucio was there, Neymar was very young but at least he got to play all 4 matches. Still we exited the tournament with 1 win and 3 draws.
     
  24. celito

    celito Member+

    Palmeiras
    Brazil
    Feb 28, 2005
    USA
    Club:
    Palmeiras Sao Paulo
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    It's tough to judge the team only by results. For example, in 2011 we completely outplayed Paraguay from beginning to end and should have won. Even if we take the CA winning teams of 2004 and 2007, they struggled a lot ... in 2004 we needed to PK shootouts (SF and F) and were completely outplayed by Argentina in the Finals. Granted, it was our B team at the time. In 2007 our group phase form was absolutely terrible and again we needed a miracle PK shootout vs Uruguay to get to the Final where we hacked the shit out of Argentina.
     
  25. XaviandXabi

    XaviandXabi Member

    May 4, 2005
    CT
    No way. Every game was a struggle in the WC. The midfield was and still is the issue. It's garbage.
     

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