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  1. MatthausSammer

    MatthausSammer Moderator
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    Dec 9, 2012
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    What?! Trudeau would be seen as no different than Saddam if he cut ties with the Americans?! I have no idea how to even start with that statement.
     
  2. Dave46

    Dave46 Member+

    Nov 30, 2013
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    With all the dislike for Bush, he left the office after 2 terms, did not pick a puppet succesor, his daughters did not torture national team players after a loss and well...:)

    Some South Ameican guys are in love with ex military/dictator types.
     
  3. Gundogan92

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    Just out of curiosity, what do you (I don't mean only you Dave) think of Chomsky and did you read anything from him?
     
  4. Dave46

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    I dead read a few of his works in college. He is too left for my taste. The truth is somewhere in the middle, as always.
     
  5. bvbSlash

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    You do realize that a lot....a lot of people looked upto Saddam. Just like a lot of people hold Fidel Castro in high esteem. Also Americans have a strong ally in Saudi Arabia, a country where they have the same barbaric practices we accuse ISIS of and where they treat women like property.

    If you don't understand how Americans, especially the 1% think you don't have a basis to kick off your argument.
     
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  6. Dave46

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    Saudi Arabia is a kingdom. The majority of populatin are suni islamic and for the most, they are happy with their system. They don't have Kurdish, Christian and Shia problems, like in Syria or Iraq.
     
  7. bvbSlash

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    You need to look past the main stream media. They aren't happy and they can't voice that unhappiness. Those that do have their heads separated from their bodies.
     
  8. Dave46

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    Where do you look for your information?
     
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  9. bvbSlash

    bvbSlash Member+

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    Anywhere but mainstream media. It's easier done than said. You don't even have to go into the dark web for this.
     
  10. Dave46

    Dave46 Member+

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    I knew it, nothing specific:)
     
  11. Gundogan92

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    It is not easy to find. I wouldn't know where to look or take the time to look for it if I didn't already know a site gathering non-mainstream info. It's in Croatian, so not particularly useful to you :)
     
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  12. Dave46

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    I do rely on Western, Russian and Arabic press. In any case, Arabs should come out of that bs religious mentality. This is why, I like the Turks in the area, eventhough I'm not supposed to. For the most part, the secular majority is in tune with the rest of the world, the way it should be. Screw your religion if it hurts my comfort. Any religion.
     
  13. Gundogan92

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    I agree with you.
    That extreme Islamic teaching is coming from Saudi Arabia, but they can't be touched because they have the West behind them.
     
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  14. Dave46

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    I agree on that part.

    Just yesterday, an Arab-American guy killed 14 people at social services office in San Bernardino, CA.

    Was he relgious? I don't know. Now I carry my gun in the truck stops, instead of keeping always in the truck.
     
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  15. bvbSlash

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    I can tell you something specific but you or somebody else is going to discredit it because it doesn't fit their paradigm of credibility. So that's why I suggest to do your own research and find one which isn't getting kick backs by supporting a particular political agenda.
     
  16. Dave46

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    Did you like Argentinian military diktatorship?
     
  17. bvbSlash

    bvbSlash Member+

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    My parents moved when my mother was 3 months pregnant. I am as Argentine as Thiago Messi.
     
  18. Dave46

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    Eh:)
     
  19. BVB1989

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    Bull fu*king crap. Learn something about Gaddafi please.
     
  20. Zarastro

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    What should I learn about him? The fact that he was so crazy than nobody outside of his own country wanted to help him (even the Russians didn't think he was worth blocking the UN resolution) tells you more than enough. Sure, he was a shrewd politician managing to stay in power for 40 years while playing the influential tribes against each other, but he droped the ball badly at the end.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...8838644/Muammar-Gaddafi-in-his-own-words.html

    The fall of Tripolis without much resistance just highlights how much his power had eroded.
     
  21. Gundogan92

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    Libya under Gaddafi
    1. There is no electricity bill in Libya; electricity is free for all its citizens.
    2. There is no interest on loans, banks in Libya are state-owned and loans given to all its citizens at zero percent interest by law.
    3. Having a home considered a human right in Libya.
    4. All newlyweds in Libya receive $60,000 dinar (U.S.$50,000) by the government to buy their first apartment so to help start up the family.
    5. Education and medical treatments are free in Libya. Before Gaddafi only 25 percent of Libyans were literate. Today, the figure is 83 percent.
    6. Should Libyans want to take up farming career, they would receive farming land, a farming house, equipments, seeds and livestock to kickstart their farms are all for free.
    7. If Libyans cannot find the education or medical facilities they need, the government funds them to go abroad, for it is not only paid for, but they get a U.S.$2,300/month for accommodation and car allowance.
    8. If a Libyan buys a car, the government subsidizes 50 percent of the price.
    9. The price of petrol in Libya is $0.14 per liter.
    10. Libya has no external debt and its reserves amounting to $150 billion are now frozen globally.
    11. If a Libyan is unable to get employment after graduation the state would pay the average salary of the profession, as if he or she is employed, until employment is found.
    12. A portion of every Libyan oil sale is credited directly to the bank accounts of all Libyan citizens.
    13. A mother who gives birth to a child receive U.S.$5,000.
    14. 40 loaves of bread in Libya costs $0.15.
    15. 25 percent of Libyans have a university degree.
    16. Gaddafi carried out the world’s largest irrigation project, known as the Great Manmade River project, to make water readily available throughout the desert country.
     
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  22. Zarastro

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    #48 Zarastro, Dec 5, 2015
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    Yes, he did all that by using Libya's large oil reserves (using up approx. half of it) without building up anything resembling a lasting economy once the oil would dry up. And the situation was still bad enough for many young people who could not hope to get a decent employment under his regime to rise up and overthrow him. He used the oil revenue to make his regime bearable to the people, but rising unemployment and stagnant wages made more and more people upset in his last years. As many observers pointed out, Lybia could have done far more with its' incredible oil reserves than it did under Qadaffi and thanks to him Libya's future doesn't look promising at all.

    You argument falls flat simply by how quick Qadaffis support evaporated. It was inevitable that his people would rise up against him eventually, if not in 2011 than a few years later considering the low oil prices would just escalated the economic problems there.

    That doesn't mean that there haven't been many mistakes after his death, but Libya will benefit from his death down the line, even if it needs a few more years.

    Edit: This excellent article was written before the Arab spring and when it didn't seem likely that he would lose his power soon.

    How to squander a nation's potential

    http://www.economist.com/node/14270103

     
  23. BVB1989

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    And tell me how does Libya looks like now without Gadaffi? Man give me a fu*kin break would ya?

    Not forget to mention the refugee crisis would be much smaller if he would still be in power. And yeah not forget to tell how western countries funded those uprisings like everywhere across the globe. It makes me puke really.

    And don't post this western propaganda please. It makes me puke too!
     
  24. Zarastro

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    #50 Zarastro, Dec 6, 2015
    Last edited: Dec 6, 2015
    Don't let facts get into the way of your ideology... .
     
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