Bundesliga and the rest: Domestic and European competition discussion

Discussion in 'Germany: National Teams' started by Epitome990, Sep 28, 2017.

  1. Epitome990

    Epitome990 Member+

    Jun 27, 2013
    Club:
    SV Werder Bremen
    Nat'l Team:
    Austria
  2. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    1BL Promotion: Koln and Paderborn.

    1BL promotion/relegation playoff: Stuttgart vs Union.

    2BL promotion/relegation playoff: Ingolstadt vs Wehen
     
  3. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Congrats to Paderborn going from 3rd Liga 2nd place last season to 1BL next season. 2 promotions in 2 seasons!!!

    while the 3rd Liga champs Magdeburg are going back to 3rd Liga.

    Paderborn made smart transfers that's the difference.
     
  4. Epitome990

    Epitome990 Member+

    Jun 27, 2013
    Club:
    SV Werder Bremen
    Nat'l Team:
    Austria
  5. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    I'm curious to know why there seems to be 0 perspective for Wolfsburg II strikers in the 1st team? Both Kramer and Hanslik did well but nothing with 1st, I think with openings and chances he should go to Bochum over FD.

    I mean they gave Osimhen chances based on youth WC but no one else. Would be curious to see what perspective the 00-onwards CFs have with 1st team?
     
  6. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    lol, stupidest signing.
    1131945768552718337 is not a valid tweet id
     
  7. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
  8. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Bayern wins the Cup beating RB 3-0.

    last games of the season in German football are the promotion/relegation playoff Legs 2.
     
  9. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    that didn't last, lol.


    Jovic is off to Real Madrid after 2 seasons only in Germany.
     
  10. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
  11. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
     
  12. Epitome990

    Epitome990 Member+

    Jun 27, 2013
    Club:
    SV Werder Bremen
    Nat'l Team:
    Austria
  13. Epitome990

    Epitome990 Member+

    Jun 27, 2013
    Club:
    SV Werder Bremen
    Nat'l Team:
    Austria
  14. Epitome990

    Epitome990 Member+

    Jun 27, 2013
    Club:
    SV Werder Bremen
    Nat'l Team:
    Austria
     
  15. Epitome990

    Epitome990 Member+

    Jun 27, 2013
    Club:
    SV Werder Bremen
    Nat'l Team:
    Austria
  16. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
  17. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    lol

    Nine million euros cost VfB Stuttgart last summer Pablo Maffeo; a failure for both sides. At least since the descent is clear that Maffeo will leave the club again. The contract apparently goes to Espanyol Barcelona.

    No, the chemistry between Pablo Maffeo and VfB Stuttgart did not fit. Only nine competitive games completed the nine-million-euro new signing Manchester City in the past season. After relegation to the second division, Maffeo can no longer be financed for VfB - only one customer has to be found.
    https://www.90min.de/posts/6386964-maffeo-vor-wechsel-zu-espanyol-barcelona
     
  18. Epitome990

    Epitome990 Member+

    Jun 27, 2013
    Club:
    SV Werder Bremen
    Nat'l Team:
    Austria
  19. Epitome990

    Epitome990 Member+

    Jun 27, 2013
    Club:
    SV Werder Bremen
    Nat'l Team:
    Austria
    Leandro Trossard close to joining Gladbach

     
  20. Epitome990

    Epitome990 Member+

    Jun 27, 2013
    Club:
    SV Werder Bremen
    Nat'l Team:
    Austria
  21. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
  22. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    and more proof that this is feeder club mentality, according to kicker, there is no purchase option. Seriously very good chunk of 1BL loans in have no purchase option so what the hell is the point?

    if they flop they get sent back and if they succeed their prices will go up by a lot. Very stupid German clubs. If you insist on taking in a player on loan, gotta have that purchase option.

    and glad to see we are developing clubs for rival leagues. Also very good way to not improve the league.
     
  23. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    these German clubs really don't give a shit about German talents.

    Hoffenheim is interested in 99 striker Dejan Joveljic who's experience is Serbian League. They've also already submitted a $4.5M bid for him and there is interest from Frankfurt and another club.
    https://www.bild.de/sport/fussball/...rben-talent-dejan-joveljic-62534162.bild.html

    like I keep saying, German clubs always seem to go after players in the same position and very similar ages as German players. What's the point in that? Nothing I've seen from majority of clubs is that care about dev German players. Or worse when they buy someone just a year older than a promising player, thus blocking the German Youth.

    so D.Otto gets dumped on loan while they get a guy, same age and position. How nice? Otto costs peanuts while the other would cost millions, who will win out when Otto comes back? certainly the million purchase, who if purchased will have been playing with Hoff 1st team for a season. Otto went on loan because even with all the praise he got from Nagelsmann, the coach never had any real interest in integrating him with the team. All he was there was to play back up. And then unlikely this will change next season especially with no Europe, so he went for match practice.

    and shows more and more the problem with 1BL they seem to all jump on youngsters across of the world who have pro experience even if these player come from shit to minnow leagues. Who cares? they have experience is the mindset. All which is making it harder and harder for youngsters to compete who come from U19 or II.

    Read all the excuses about U19 or II. Always the same, it's low level experience and not enough blablabla. Player needs time, but other players from outside don't, lol.

    And also shows more and more why it's very hard for Germany to develop strikers since it's very hard for them to breakthrough for real.

    For young German strikers to really breakthrough 1BL you gotta have clubs like Stuttgart and Werner (next up seems Dajaku) and Bremen with Selke and J.Eggestein mold. Where the club really wants them in the 1st team, they plan with them and leave space for them in the squad. Sure Werner and J.Eggestein started more Winger than CF while in 1BL but that's because a lot of strikers start as wingers as there are openings there and when older, more experienced and they bulk up more they move upfront. Everyone else were there seems to have no plans for them play a few times in 1BL and then get axed by their teams whether on loan which ends up being permanent move or they never get chances and get dumped and transfer to another club. Let's not forget the big amount of them who are just there in case of mass injuries and nothing more, which shows how little they care about dev. They would rather keep a player as a back up then loan them out for experience at the right time.

    clubs are less and less interested in integrating inexperienced players.
     
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  24. Alex C

    Alex C Member+

    Oct 27, 2015
    Chatham
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Agree 100% on this. This is Schalke, a team who have made the CL knockouts a few times in the last decade, with aspirations to get back to that, taking young players on loan who are not good enough to make it into a mid table EPL team to help gain him some experience. If he does well he will go back, if not it was a pointless signing. Total feeder club mentality.

    Here in England when they talk about young players needing to get playing time, they now talk about them going out on loan either to the Championship or the BL.
     
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  25. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    all at the expense of German players too. Schalke would rather loan him a player not good enough than promote 00-Smolinski who is leaving the club due to lack of opportunities.

    and I found it 100% disturbing that even a trash player like Oxford had Gladbach and numerous other clubs interested. He was average as hell for a good Gladbach team but complete rubbish for Augsburg. Not just my opinion too, so many Augsburg fans don't like him. They say he had 1 good game vs Kiel in DFB Cup and every other game he was awful.

    now Augsburg want to sign him and might have to pay $4M. And what about 98-F.Gotze or 99-Stanic. Once again shows what I keep saying these clubs want players same ages and positions as German youngsters. No real interest to dev players

    seems like these German clubs would rather loan in mediocre players than dev anyone. Even more reason why these clubs don't get better.
     

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