Brazilian Politics

Discussion in 'Brazil NSR' started by Century's Best, Jun 14, 2013.

  1. samuel_clemens

    Dec 20, 2005
    Los Angeles CA
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    I'm talking about the condescending stuff like "even a prostitute can be raped". "just because he didn't see a tablet, doesn't mean there isn't one". "just because she is psychotic , doesn't mean she's lying". Ombak posting a clip of some ESPN Brasil pundit (lol) lecturing people on rape. I mean really? we're all adults here. What's the point of it?
     
  2. celito

    celito Member+

    Palmeiras
    Brazil
    Feb 28, 2005
    USA
    Club:
    Palmeiras Sao Paulo
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    The point about the tablet I corrected something he mis-understood. Cry me a river. Plus, it's a stupid point to make something out of the ex-husband not knowing all her personal possessions.

    Actually it does seem like some people don't understand that "a prostitute can be raped". At least one poster seemed to need some clarification.

    Psychotic ? Well that's your opinion and that's fine. Just saying some people can indeed add "crazy" when they are wronged.

    But whatever ...
     
  3. Century's Best

    Century's Best Member+

    Jul 29, 2003
    USA

    I never said the tablet never did not exist. I'm just saying that it was never produced and it seems to me she's creating lie after lie to preserve what to me was a lie to start with.

    By the way, her last lawyer just dropped her because of no proof, and he even said she accused him of having the tablet. Najila is strange. She was unprofessional and got personal with her first lawyer and now with this one. The more she does this the more any veneer of credibility is erased - which means, even if Neymar did rape her, it's simply absolutely horrible optics.

    To many people everywhere, perception is reality, and the perception is that she's lying. Neymar may have been a drunk jerk etc., and he may well deserve something for that. But it's looking bad for her.

    And a lot of people on Brazilian news are saying that she made it worse for women who are real rape victims to come forward. I see that all the time here in the U.S., with these false accusations and thoughtless, robotic, non-playable-character feminist psychos chanting "we believe survivors" and "all women must be believed!"

    Do you think that it'll be any less negative for real rape victims in Brazil?
     
  4. Century's Best

    Century's Best Member+

    Jul 29, 2003
    USA
    "Eu saio de lá com as coisas do meu filho. Chegando ao apartamento, pedi que a minha visita fosse assistida por um funcionário. Eu gravei a minha visita. Entro no apartamento para pegar roupas do meu filho, o computador dele - porque ele gosta de jogar no computador dele - e pegar o tablet dele que eu havia presenteado há um tempo. É um tablet dele, eu nunca vi o tablet da Najila, nem sabia da existência desse tablet e que as possíveis provas estariam lá", completou.

    You corrected nothing because I misunderstood and misread nothing. I said her ex-husband wasn't even aware the tablet existed. I never said the tablet story was a lie, although it's looking likely it is because she claimed her now ex-lawyer has it:

    "A senhora Najila me acusou de ter planejado este arrombamento, essa situação toda. Disse que esse tablet poderia estar comigo, segundo o marcador de localização dela. Eu não preciso comprar ou roubar um tablet, eu tenho os meus dispositivos eletrônicos. Eu nunca tive Iphone, eu sempre tive Android, nunca tive Ipad, me parece que é um Ipad. E o cliente tem uma postura repentina e totalmente contrária à ética, ao bom senso e à verdade nesse caso, a respeito do arrombamento e de esse tablet estar em minha posse." "Eu adoraria ter ele porque ali em tese estará o vídeo que ela alega ter 7 minutos, material esse que até hoje eu não tenho. Seria ótimo. Eu seria o primeiro a ver e a eentregá-lo à polícia. Porque eu acredito que, se tiver alguma coisa relevante ali para reforçar a condição de vítima da senhora Najila, ela deveria usá-lo e não reter a informação."

    Najila also claimed there's a backup of the 7-minute video.

    Na ocasião, o advogado de Estives disse que ouviu do cliente que Najila teria um celular com uma cópia das imagens registradas no quarto em Paris. O objetivo era ter um backup do vídeo. Apesar da existência do suposto backup, nada foi entregue para a Polícia Civil.

    If the video exists, is found, and proves Neymar raped her, then it's a different story. But so far, her credibility is thinning. I cannot help but conclude at this time she concocted all this and now that it's coming apart, she's freaking out (and yet again acting without logic and purely on emotion - accusing her ex-lawyer of having the tablet?)
     
  5. celito

    celito Member+

    Palmeiras
    Brazil
    Feb 28, 2005
    USA
    Club:
    Palmeiras Sao Paulo
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Perhaps I misunderstood what you said . From the video shown recorded by the ex husband the apartment had already been “broke into “. So obviously the tablet would have been gone . But pretty sure that doesn’t exist .

    This video wouldn’t show any action though . The only thing this video would show is Neymar apologizing for a supposed rape the night before . Or clues to what happened .
     
  6. Century's Best

    Century's Best Member+

    Jul 29, 2003
    USA
    Well, the claim there was a break-in has been challenged by forensic evidence, which says only the maid's fingerprints - and Najila's own - were found. The real estate company which owns the building where Najila lives also disputed the claim.

    Finally, even the doorman of the building has filed a claim against Najila.

    Are all these people, including even the police, in Neymar's pocket? She claims the police was "comprada." Perhaps. Perhaps "Neymar Corp." is way too powerful. But at the same time, it's hard for me to believe that all these people were compromised.

    Perception shouldn't always be reality. But it doesn't look good for her and the fact she went to Paris with the explicit goal of having sex all expenses paid grants Najila a moral deficit. She wasn't kidnapped, drugged, and made to have sex against her will.
     
  7. Emperor Adriano

    Emperor Adriano Member+

    Jun 17, 2009
    Utica NY (the refugee city)
    Club:
    Santos FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    why are you guys arguing about something that is pretty straight forward and easy to understand? celito seems like he's roleplaying devils advocate for no reason. I mean ffs , even women know she's bsing...
     
  8. celito

    celito Member+

    Palmeiras
    Brazil
    Feb 28, 2005
    USA
    Club:
    Palmeiras Sao Paulo
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    This Moro leak is so what the country doesn't need now.
     
  9. samuel_clemens

    Dec 20, 2005
    Los Angeles CA
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    leak schmleak. PT has been involved in corruption scandals since I was a college undergraduate, they really think they can take down the govt based on a technicality. So so desperate and delusional lmao I'm just glad that we have a military president and VP.
     
  10. celito

    celito Member+

    Palmeiras
    Brazil
    Feb 28, 2005
    USA
    Club:
    Palmeiras Sao Paulo
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Agreed on the corruption part. But any collusion shown here is not gonna look good for Moro. I think the population that supports the current Government won't care. The problem is if it helps out Lula get off legally.
     
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  11. samuel_clemens

    Dec 20, 2005
    Los Angeles CA
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    It won't. If STF even had the audacity to void lava jato based on that, a military coup would be announced 5 minutes later.

     
  12. samuel_clemens

    Dec 20, 2005
    Los Angeles CA
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
  13. Emperor Adriano

    Emperor Adriano Member+

    Jun 17, 2009
    Utica NY (the refugee city)
    Club:
    Santos FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
  14. celito

    celito Member+

    Palmeiras
    Brazil
    Feb 28, 2005
    USA
    Club:
    Palmeiras Sao Paulo
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    I thought she said she was uniquely American. What's more American than competition ? :ROFLMAO:

    It's pretty stupid. I like the quote that says "they wouldn't do this if it were the men's final" ... well you can't play CA, Gold Cup and WC at the same time because technically it's some of the same teams playing.
     
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  15. samuel_clemens

    Dec 20, 2005
    Los Angeles CA
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Globo has fired Mauro Naves. He was involved in Najila's extortion attempt against Neymar a month ago.
     

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