Remember Parreira let RONALDO sit on the bench for the entite 1994 World Cup. He didnt give the 18 year old 1 minute of play in that cup. Looks like Parreira isnt into new talent that much. I also wanted to see robinho play. Diego's 5 minutes was rediculous. Parreira couldnt even run the Metrostars...
Me too except my 3 friends were gonna watch the Devils game instead...thank god...the game was horrible...at least from the Brazilian perspective. Im sure the Mexicans are thrilled. In all honesty its tough for these guys to take a friendy against Mexico too serious (though they should!). They are World Champions, make millions and dont want to get hurt. Thats why friendlies should mosty be young , hungry players.
Ahh yes. If I could actually watch Brazil's next friendly and hope for a glimpse of Robinho than I wouldn't be so upset. Oh well, though it probably won't be shown in the U.S, what is Brazil's next scheduled friendy?
Also, in Brazil's defence, it really is tough for their Euro players to have much in them. The match started at what to them was 3:00am. I know that they're pro's and are expected to deal with that, but often when the Euro based players come over quickly for a friendly (especially when they are played in the evening) the resulting play is poor. Still, the coach could have done something. After 45 min of bad play in he could have subed people out (and satisfied the people who were wanting to see Diego and Robino out there). Maybe he was worried that if he put in the inexperienced youngsters that he may have had to deal with the angry reactions of the Brazilian populace to a loss rather than a tie. Whatever. Mexico looked like they wanted to make a game of it, but Brazil just didn't want to play. Not a fun match to watch. chris...
Anybody have the lineups/subs? Didn't get to watch the game and haven't been able to find the details on the web anywhere.
GUADALAJARA, Mexico, April 30 (Reuters) - Mexico 0 Brazil 0 - result. Friendly international. Attendance: 60,000 Mexico - 1-Oswaldo Sanchez; 14-Octavio Valdez (22-Eduardo Rergis, 76), 18 Salvador Carmona, 5-Duilio Davino, 4-Rafael Marquez (16-Jose Castro, 72), 3-Omar Briseno; 8-Pavel Pardo (17-Israel Lopez, 46), 21-Jesus Arellano (10-Alberto Medina, 70), 11-Omar Bravo (6-Luis Perez 55); 7-Ramon Morales (19-Irving Rubirosa, 46), 9-Jared Borgetti. Brasil - 1-Dida; 2-Belletti, 4-Anderson Polga (13-Luisao, 46), 3-Edmilson, 6-Junior (15-Athirson, 63); 8-Gilberto Silva (17-Emerson, 63), 5-Kleberson, 11-Ze Roberto (19-Diego, 83), 7-Ronaldinho; 10-Amoroso (17-Juninho Pernambucano, 63), 9-Ronaldo. Referee - Oscar Ruiz (Colombia)
Wooo Alberto Medina was tearin it up in front of the home crowd.( Love those red shoes!) He seems really promising.
Re: Small Parreira apologist Roberto Carlos was not injured. He's still suspended from shoving the Turkish referee during Brazil's loss to Portugal.
Where was Parreira? I was watching the Telemundo broadcast of the game, but every time they cut over to the Brazilian bench, they were showing someone who looked like Mario Zagalo (though I am not sure it was him). Where was Carlos Alberto Parreira?
Re: Ronaldinho was here Damn, baby got back! There's enough room there for Wanderley Luxemburgo to sign his name!
Give Mexico credit they did something few teams are able which is take the ball from Brasil. better finishing and they would have won the match. As is typical at this time of the year(when European seasons are running down) a national team with a majority of european based players-Brasil- played as if they were disinterested. Mexico's pressure brought Brasil's interest level up but Mexico always looked the better team last night. I like the looks of this Mexico team. Brasil's fullbacks didn't add much to the team yesterday. Belletti is all right but Junior was non existent. I think we'll see some changes for Brasil's next friendly. Parreira better win that or else he'll be in trouble. To answer the previous poster- parreira was there last night but Zagalo is an almost mythical-like figure, especially in Mexico which is why the camera was constantly focusing on him.
Re: Re: Small Parreira apologist I know. I was lumping him with the players that were not available. Carlos will not even be available in the next match. But I didn't see any info about any new friendlies before the Confederations Cup. I bet there will be though - probably against "weaker" competition - like they did with Catalonia, etc. This is true but it is really starting to catch up to the CBF. If they ahve another run like qualifying for 2002, it may be a bit more bleak for 2006 - especially since now the champion does not get automatic qualification (which I now refer to as the anti-france move). The fullbacks will change - this part, at least IMO, was actually a bit more experimental as the search for the "next guard" is on. I've never been impressed with Junior on the Selecao. As for Parreira - he already is in trouble. He was in trouble after the draw with China... no, he was in trouble after Scolari lost the friendly to Paraguay. THat's just the way it is with CBF managers. What has shielded him thus far, IMO, is 1994.
Originally posted by SoccerScout the game was horrible...at least from the Brazilian perspective. Im sure the Mexicans are thrilled. Dont get ahead of yourself. At one point a tie against Brazil was cause for celebration but Mexico has proved in more than one occasion that it can hang with the Selecao and even beat them. I dont know if you noticed but at the end of the match the fans were booing both teams as they exited the stadium. Mexican fans in general feel this was a good oportunity to beat Brazil, it is not everyday that the Scratch du Ouro is uninspired.
From Mexico's perspective, the way I look at it is actually more disappointing and frustrated. I would say, "why couldn't they finish?" Hmmm... this was the perfect opportunity to beat Brazil from a competitive stand-point - but from the analysis stand-point, there might be a problem brewing in the front line minus Blanco, and minus particularly creative midfielders with a pungent for finishing/scoring. From another perspective, it's hard to say that Mexico was so much pushed in this match because of Brazil's performance. Let's be realistic - sometimes sides may play up or down to their opposition's or teammate's abilities. For instance, had Brazil scored first, what would that change with the outcome of the match? According to the flow, I would say that depending on the time of the tally, Mexico may have stood a better chance then. I still feel the same way as before. The friendly exposed some weaknesses of Brazil's - clearly Cafu and Roberto Carlos were missed. But that doesn't change the fact that suitable replacements must be found and developed. Junior/Ze Roberto just didn't do it, and without Lucio to even cover up mistakes that RC and Cafu makes, it's potentially an even uglier situation. Also, the waste of resources was aggrivating - Adriano should've gotten a look.
I can dig those guys not wanting to hurt themselves in a meaningless midweek match when the European season's on the back stretch, but NEVER would I expect to see such a lackluster, uninspired performance by Ronaldo. Not only did he look disinterested, but he shanked every shot a mile wide and high like he was telling the federation not to call him up for pointless matches. To quote someone else: Borgetti, much like a porn star, sprayed it around everwhere except where it counts. Morales looked very dangerous again.
Some things we learned? I would say one of the valuable things we did learn is the Luisao will need a lot of seasoning if he is going to play on the back line. Athirson of course has some potential, but he'd need a good 10-15 games under his belt at this level to see if he'll be able to improve. Belletti can NOT be a long term solution at right back. Teams can overload the other side of the field, knowing Beletti shouldn't add too much offensive pressure on the other end. Makes it easier to shut down RC. CAP is either an idiot or contractually bound to play Ronaldo 90 minutes. What a waste. I understand 65 to give the fans and sponsors their money's worth. But Adriano should definitely have subbed for him. Where are the excuses for Kleberson? Still the begining of the brasileiro, his flight should have been half that than the other players. I hoped he wouldn't disappear again. Ze Roberto and Ronaldinho together - hard to say given the effort put in, but didn't seem to be much chemistry. Rivaldo's versatility was missed. Where does Diego fit in? To me he always plays best between the midfield line and the penalty box. I've always been more impressed with his positioning, off the ball runs, and passing than his scoring. Can screw up a teams' defense usually worse than Ronaldinho's runs.
I agree with you regarding Kleberson and Ronaldo (and do see your point with Amoroso earlier - but just look at the results differently). Kleberson... he should have gone to Europe when he had the opportunity instead of using the "girlfriend" crutch (I think the chick was 15!). I don't know what his deal was but he needs to find his inspiration and fast. I remember last summer I wondered how Scolari would use Rivaldo, Ronaldinho and Juninho Paulista. I think it's clear that Ronaldinho is the best link-up with Rivaldo in front instead of Juninho. If anything, does anyone think that Diego's coming could be an even bigger boost to Ronaldinho in the midfield? (given the time and development of course).
Disagree with this part of your post Alex. I finally saw the game yesterday and to my mind Ze was the best brazilian on the field. Other than the Ronaldinho /Amoroso effort above the bar, every other decisive run and through ball was via Ze Roberto. He put Ronaldo through twice (and Ronaldo should have done better), ran around the whole midfield (as opposed to Ronaldinho who waited for the ball to come to him), was often in the defensive box to help out on counters, and had some sweet touches (especially a delightful flick/lob over two defenders right onto the overlapping Junior). Whether or not he is to start we'll see, but he deserves a shot at being on this team - he got shafted last year from the WC, having played much better during the year than Juninho Paulista. I agree with the rest of your post and would add a couple of thoughts: a) Dida's seems more confident, stronger, and more decisive since becoming Milan's no 1. b) Gaucho is continuing the troubling habit of committing cynical fouls (stepping on ankles, showing studs, tripping from behind) that you think he would have learned from the England game. I had noticed this behaviour prior to WC, and it seems to persist. Has anyone else noticed? c) Check out when Athirson got in the game, his man always got behind him. It was not as evident with Junior. I'm willing to give both more than a game to show more. d) I'd like to see Juninho Pernambucano get a full game in as well.
Why wouldn't he? He enjoys enormous prestige in Brasil, his boss is Zagallo (his mentor, with whom they won WC '70 and '94 together), and WC qualifying doesn't begin until September '03. All these friendlies won't amount to a hill of beans if he starts winning in September. Let's hope he does.
tpmazembe asks, "Dida's seems more confident, stronger, and more decisive since becoming Milan's no 1." I agree he is in very good form now. I've liked Dida ever since I saw him win the sub-20 World Cup in 1983. Always thought he had potential to be one of Brasil's best ever goalkeepers. I wondered what had become of him until he reappeared and had that wonderful Copa America in 1999 and then led Corinthians to the World Club Cup in 2000. Then his form dropped. Good tos ee him returning to form. He is an excellent shot stopper and seems to have improved his judgment and his handling ability. He even appears better able to handle low shots, which once was his biggest weakness in my opinion. "Gaucho is continuing the troubling habit of committing cynical fouls (stepping on ankles, showing studs, tripping from behind) that you think he would have learned from the England game. I had noticed this behaviour prior to WC, and it seems to persist. Has anyone else noticed? " Absolutely right. Ronaldinho is a wonderful talent but he continues having trouble at the club level and his on field discipline leaves something to be desired. I hope his mentality doesn't prevent him from becoming the star which he has the talent to become. It's really a shame Brasil only came to Mexico as tourists as the Mexican fans, especially thsoe in Guadalajara, have always treated them wonderfully. The fans deserved more respect from the players than what they showed on the field v Mexico. Like everyone else I was anxious to see more of Diego and Robinho (not to mention Adriano).
Remember that Dida and R.Carlos was dropped by Luxemburgo after that HORRIBLE performance Brazil gave in Chile in that 3-0 loss in Aug.2000!!(In which I was hoping then Luxemburgo would've been FIRED!!) That was Amoroso's last game for Brazil until Zagalo recalled him after WC'02!!