Boom! The Jurgen Klopp Thread II (KLOPP LEAVING AT THE END OF THE SEASON)

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  1. SamScouse

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    https://www.independent.co.uk/sport...urgen-klopp-first-squad-meeting-a9257466.html

    To understand how Liverpool got to this point, becoming the first English club to win the Champions League, Super Cup and Club World Cup in a year, requires a rewind.

    The characteristics of Jurgen Klopp’s side can be traced back to his first major meeting in charge of the club in the second week of October 2015, when he gathered the squad in the press room at Melwood, detailing what he required of them before impressing that they had the opportunity to “create history together.”
     
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  2. White/Blue_since1860

    Orange14 is gay
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    Erdinger Weißbier land advertisement deal with Klopp

    Erdinger who?

     
  3. newterp

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    https://www.espn.com/soccer/english...-liverpools-desire-to-win-trophies-is-immense

     
  4. Red Bird

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    Remember this?
     
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  5. CB-West

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    Thierre Henry :ROFLMAO::rolleyes:...I take it he is not related to John Henry

    Jaime - "if it were me, I would go for Klopp..." :cool:
     
  6. delaynomo

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  7. usscouse

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    Ol 'and ball entitled 'enery.

    It's not my fault I cheated, it's the refs for letting me get away with it.
     
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  8. usscouse

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    From the fail this am.


    Jurgen Klopp was Robert Lewandowki's 'adopted dad' at Borussia Dortmund… with Bayern striker hailing Liverpool boss as 'a coach you'd run through fire for'
     
  9. newterp

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    Is this the level 3 article? It’s great. (Can’t open the link for some reason)
     
  10. Red Bird

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  11. White/Blue_since1860

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    It's behind a paywall unfortunately
     
  12. Red Bird

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    How Liverpool left Tottenham in their wake: The differing transfer strategies that sparked a rise and fall
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    Jurgen Klopp's Liverpool beat Tottenham in the 2019 Champions League final CREDIT: EPA


    10 JANUARY 2020 • 10:41AM
    In the final months of Mauricio Pochettino’s Tottenham Hotspur reign, he would occasionally direct reporters back to the two line-ups when Jurgen Klopp took charge of his first Liverpool game at White Hart Lane in October 2015.

    Of the names on Klopp’s first-ever Liverpool team-sheet, only James Milner, Adam Lallana, Divock Origi and Nathaniel Clyne are still at the club. None of those players would now start in the Reds’ strongest side.

    Pochettino named a team that included Hugo Lloris, Danny Rose, Toby Alderweireld, Jan Vertonghen, Erik Lamela, Dele Alli, Christian Eriksen and Harry Kane. Ben Davies and Harry Winks were among the substitutes.

    Ultimately, Liverpool backed their manager while Daniel Levy eventually sacked his. But if the Tottenham chairman thought he had taken the more cost-effective option, by replacing the coach rather than the players, then the evidence would suggest otherwise.

    A long-term hamstring injury to Kane has left Levy with little choice but to significantly dip into the cash reserves for a deputy or risk missing out on Champions League qualification and the associated riches.

    Of the 10 players who were part of the goalless draw when Klopp first visited Tottenham, only Lloris has not yet played for Pochettino’s replacement, Jose Mourinho, and the Frenchman will return from injury as Tottenham’s first-choice goalkeeper and captain later this year.


    Spurs finished that season in third place, 10 points ahead of Liverpool in eighth, but, heading into Saturday’s game between the two clubs, there has been a 38-point swing with Klopp’s Premier League leaders arriving in London 28 points ahead of the squad Mourinho has inherited.

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    Jurgen Klopp has overseen a huge swing in Liverpool's fortunes thanks to clever recruitment CREDIT: GETTY IMAGES
    The easy conclusion to jump to is that Liverpool have benefitted from spending considerably more money than Tottenham since Klopp’s first game in charge and, to a degree, that is true.

    But the context tells a slightly different story and calls Levy’s transfer strategy, rather than his spending, into greater question.

    In terms of first-team players, Liverpool spent roughly £125 million more than Tottenham before this current transfer window but that gap could narrow if Spurs decide to pay the £27m to turn Giovanni Lo Celso’s loan into a permanent move and shell out on a striker.

    Even without the Lo Celso deal or an incoming striker, however, Tottenam’s net spend is actually higher than that of Liverpool. From the figures that have been disclosed and are available, Spurs have a net spend of around £90m over the course of the past nine transfer windows in comparison to the Reds’ £69m since Klopp’s arrival.


    Put simply, Liverpool have traded better than Tottenham and one of the best examples of this was during Klopp’s first summer as manager in 2016, when the Anfield club beat Spurs to the signings of Sadio Mane from Southampton and Georginio Wijnaldum from Newcastle United.

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    Liverpool beat Tottenham to the signing of Sadio Mane CREDIT: GETTY IMAGES
    Mane was Pochettino’s No 1 target that summer and the Argentine is even said to have shown the forward around Tottenham’s impressive Enfield training ground.

    Wijnaldum, who was targeted to boost the midfield, has gone on record to confirm that he spoke to Pochettino, but said: “I just felt Liverpool wanted to come to an agreement quickly.”

    Mane’s £130,000-a-week salary did not fit in with Tottenham’s wage structure at the time, but the £34m Liverpool paid for the Senegalese international has proved to be one of the bargains of recent years.

    Pochettino was clearly still sore at missing out to Liverpool shortly after the 1-1 draw between the two clubs at the start of the 2016/17 season, when he said: “We need someone who has characteristics like we saw from Liverpool, like Sadio Mane, the type of player that can break the defensive line.” That need has never properly been satisfied.

    Just as galling for Tottenham supporters is the fact Moussa Sissoko eventually cost their club £5m more than the £25m Liverpool paid for Wijnaldum at the end of the same transfer window.

    During the following summer of 2017, Tottenham spent more than Liverpool, as they broke their transfer record on Davinson Sanchez and also recruited Fernando Llorente, Serge Aurier and Juan Foyth for a combined £85m.


    But the £77m Liverpool spent on Mohammed Salah, Andrew Robertson and Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain has proved to be far better value for money, before the January transfer window two years ago that proved to be a game-changer for the Reds.

    Plenty of questions were asked about Liverpool’s ambition when they agreed to sell Philippe Coutinho to Barcelona for £142m in January 2018 and there were just as many doubts raised when they used just over half of that fee to sign Virgil van Dijk during the same month.

    They were the type of brave decisions and risks that Pochettino claimed Tottenham needed to make at the end of the same season, but his club did not sign anybody over the next two transfer windows and, just as crucially, only sold midfielder Mousa Dembele last January.

    Players who had been looking for a way out, such as Alderweireld, Eriksen and Rose, were all retained and, unsurprisingly, performances started to dip as Liverpool raced away on the back of their summer 2018 spending spree on Alisson Becker, Fabinho, Naby Keita and Xherdan Shaqiri.

    Liverpool finished last season ahead of Tottenham for the first time in Klopp’s reign and beat Spurs in the final of the Champions League, which effectively acted as the beginning of the end for Pochettino.


    Rather than undertaking the “painful rebuild” that Pochettino had recommended, Levy eventually took the decision to spend money on replacing the 47 year-old rather than overhauling the squad.

    Whatever it ultimately costs Levy to have sacked Pochettino and bring in Mourinho will have been cheaper than selling the likes of Eriksen and Alderweireld and signing replacements.

    Levy saved Tottenham money in the short-term by using Mourinho’s appointment to agree a new three-and-a-half-year contract with Alderweireld less than a fortnight before he could have started negotiating a free-transfer summer switch to a foreign club.

    But Spurs have only won one of their five games since Alderweireld re-signed, losing to Chelsea and Southampton, and have lost Kane and Sissoko to long-term injuries - exposing all the long-standing squad deficiencies all over again and potentially hitting the balance sheet.

    Given the financial restrictions Tottenham’s incredible new stadium has placed on their transfer budget, Levy may well have to finally bite the bullet and be brave enough to cash in on one of his stars to try to rebuild the squad. Otherwise, Liverpool and Klopp will continue to disappear over the horizon.



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  13. newterp

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    decent article at a high level - but it doesn't capture the effort the Liverpool is putting in from top down ever since Klopp came in to identify targets, sell them on the project (at the time), and now push to be the very best. Klopp's management of egos is a huge plus too. Poch could never do that with Kane (see unfit Kane playing in CL final - and doing nothing).
     
  14. SamScouse

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    very good article.
     
  15. Red Bird

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    It's actually a great story but, you're right, the analysis is not as rigorous as it could possibly be. But the point that Liverpool's spending more in the short term ultimately looks like huge savings in the long term was well-made. I was also quite surprised, among other points, to see that the difference in overall expenditure is not that high, even given that we have spend huge amounts on Becker and van Dijk, never mind Keita and Fabinho.
     
  16. delaynomo

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    We spent less "net" which is all that matters!
     
  17. Red Bird

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    For a significantly better team. And remember the doom-laden scenario of Coutinho's leaving? Fleeced Barcelona we may have, and that was also a masterstroke of its own, but it was the judicious use of that money which is ultimately making the difference.
     
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  18. SamScouse

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    https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/jurgen-klopp-explains-how-fsg-17545305
    Jurgen Klopp explains how FSG 'plans' helped him succeed at Liverpool

    "The steps we had to make were clear. We had to be a constant part of the Champions League, because that gives the club the opportunity to develop, the opportunity to speak to different players. That was clear from the first second.

    "The plans of the owners were like this, they didn’t put any pressure on us like: ‘this year was not good enough’ or stuff like that. They looked at the games, they looked at the performances and they thought: ‘OK, we are making the right steps and let’s continue on that path.’"
     
  19. SamScouse

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    https://www.theguardian.com/football/2020/jan/10/klopp-liverpool-tottenham-record-start

    “We have changed a lot of things since I have been here but we have kept a lot of things too,” Klopp said. “We have brought some good players in but many of the ones I inherited are still here. The group was already exceptional when I arrived in 2015; competitiveness has never been an issue. The training has always been on a really high level and the better the players around you the better the standard should be.

    “What is really impressive at the moment is that the young boys are closing the gap on the older players. We like to play old versus young on the training pitch when we can – we play the length of two 18-yard boxes and the players love it. For each of the last three years, olds have won easily, by a country mile, maybe 25-10 or something. At the moment, though, the young lads are winning by one. That shows the development and means the players are pushing like crazy in training.”
     
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  20. delaynomo

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  21. Red Bird

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  22. White/Blue_since1860

    Orange14 is gay
    Jan 4, 2007
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    Im not quite sure the problem here is journalists or him not being a native speaker of English. It "does not feel special" to him because thats not what he and Liverpool are out there for. Klopp, as a person, does not care about stats and records. Not even about his personal ones from 2nd Bundesliga
     
  23. Red Bird

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    I think they are both right. You have to look at this from the journalist's non-LFC point of view and then from Klopp and LFC's perspective. The journalists will marvel at such a record and, just as quickly ridicule the club if it fails to clinch the title. Klopp in the meantime is focusing only on the tile. W can then talk about the adornments after that is done.
     

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