Most of us (if not all) on here agree Bradley did not do well. We agree here. The point I am trying to make is Clement is not doing "much" better as stated by others. He is barely better. You are correct if Bradley had the same PPG average and stayed the Swans would be on 24 points., but still in 18th place. The same place they are now, but we have no idea how he would of done with new players after the break. Maybe he does better then Clement or maybe he does worse. Nobody knows how he would of done. Now lets say Clement was hired instead of Bradley, and he managed to get the same PPG average he has now during Bradley's time, then the Swans would currently have a massive 35 points and be in 17th place. BARELY better then were they are now. What sucks for Swans fans is they now face these 4 teams... MANU in 5th Everton in 6th Sunderland in 20th West Brom in 8th Now look at Hulls last 4... South Hampton in 9th Sunderland in 20th Crystal Palace in 19th Tottenham in 2nd Hull has the easier schedule and even if Swansea were currently in 17th (sans Bradsley), there is a good chance Hull could pass them.
Hull City had a coaching switch of their own. Most thought relegation was a foregone conclusion there. They also sold, arguably their best player, Robert Snodgrass to West Ham United during the transfer window. Mike PhelanJuly 2016 – January 2017 24 7 4 13 29.17% Marco SilvaJanuary 2017 – 18 8 2 8 44.44% The fans didn't go around figuring who needed a finger pointed at while they were in the bottom of the table, either, they just got on with it. Props . . Hold that Tiger, catch that tiger . . . .
Is it the EXACT same squad that Bradley had? Can you please list the contributions of the players picked up in the transfer window?
I'm sorry but I am beginning to wonder if some posters on here know anything about football, the performances Swansea are putting in under Clemence are MUCH better, have you actually watched them? They were nothing short of a shambles under Bradley, he was hopelessly out of his depth, its incredible to me that there are still people on here trying to justify Bradley's tenure. Swansea weren't just getting beaten under Bradley they were failing to provide any opposition! The problem is clear that it was a lack of experience, why can't some of you get it through your skulls that his nationality is of absolutely no importance to the Swansea fans!? Being American DOES NOT mark you out as anything 'special' can't you 'get over yourselves'!? Bradley was, is and forever will be judged by his performance as a manager and he FAILED, it really is THAT simple. There are hundreds of examples of other managers that have failed its a common thing, some managers seem to be quite successful at certain clubs while they fail at others, most managers have failed at some point in their career, even the greatest ever managers have had bad moments (Brian Clough, Jose Mourninho etc), look at how Moyes is failing now at Sunderland while at Everton he was rather good. Now brush those 'they hated him because he is a Yank' chips off your shoulders because nobody cares where he is from and accept the fact that the Swansea job was a failure, it was always going to be a failure, every body that knows English football could see that it was inevitable and move on. There is no reason why at some point in the future Bradly can't find success in English football.
"I'm sorry but I'm beginning to wonder if some posters here know anything about football. The performances Swansea has put in are somewhat better under Clement than the average under his two predecessors, and that has nothing to do with being allowed to bring in a handful of new, and better, players. No Sirree Bob. It has everything to do with Clement being a non-Yankee, and therefore not a wanker. There was nothing short of a shambles under Bradley, he was totally out of his depth, as proved by his doing less than Clement even while blessed by the opportunity to only use the talent that Guidolin brought in and having the clarity of mind that comes from knowing that you have not been able to bring in a single player to help you out. It's incredible to me that there are people on here you are trying to justify Bradley's tenure. If Clement had the opportunity to work with nothing but what he inherited, and not been allowed to bring in players, any bloke to the good side of Shearer knows he would have dazzled us with the play on the field. Only you self-absorbed Yankees would think that you're so special that facts about personnel and who you are allowed to bring in would have any possible effect on the quality of the team you manage. And by the way, the animus against Bob had nothing to do with his being a Yankee, can you self-absorbed Yankee types get that through your thick Yankee lovin' skulls? Any one on the good side of a Shearer would know that a few dozen references, right from the start, on all the Swansea fan sites, mocking Bob for being an ignorant Yankee who actually thought that managing World Cup campaigns and non Brit sides could possibly mean something before the magnificence of the House Euros Built, has squat to do with Bob being a Yankee. No Sirree Bob. Guidolin was not given his chance, Clement possesses an ineffable brilliance that transcends such mundane issues as personnel and results. Yankee Bob? Pathetic failure..... but to give him his due, maybe one day he can find success in English football.........in Coventry!......" Signed: If You Can't Throw 'Em Under the Bus, Crawl under the Bus
Get over yourself! Who gives a flying one what nationality Bradley is!!! I mean really what difference does it make? The fact is he failed pure and simple, his nationality has feck all to do with it, what makes you think the Swansea fans care either way whether he is American, Slovenian or Martian? Swansea were worse under his leadership by some distance, they were all over the shop and were shipping a lot of goals, ask yourself this, if Swansea played successful football under Bradley would the Swansea fans have wanted him fired because he happens to be from the US!!? I sometimes wonder whether some of you seriously think the answer would be yes!
Lost University, you've done it again. Bradley can't coach at all, much less a team in the Prem. It ain't just a question of misunderstood; As Swansea fans can tell you, he's no good!
Swansea are totaly unrecognisable from the shambles they were under Bradley, make of that what you will.
Sure, when 30% of the field players are new different players then of course the team dynamic will change.
Bradley on the roster he inherited . . . “That has to improve. The other aspect is the team. When you take over a team and you’re in that part of the table – just like when I took over from Francesco [Guidolin] – it’s for a reason. The reason is that the team needs to be improved.” Bradley, the first American to manage in the Premier League, felt the Swansea squad lacked a winning mentality and are short of fighters. He added: “Part of what I said [to the board] was that we needed more winners, more fighters, more guys that come in every day desperate to improve. I think in the last 18 months or so, as different players have left, the club hasn’t been able to replace some players with others at the same level. “When a team goes through a tough period, you need people you can count on, people who are strong, people who will stand up for the team. It takes that kind of strength to get back on track."
The team was also performing better under Guidolin before Bradley took over, make of that what you will. You can deny it all you want but it wont change the fact that Bradley failed badly as Swansea, the team was easily the worst in the league under his stewardship and it has definitely improved under Clement. This has no bearing on Bradleys abilities but rather his lack of experience, he is NOT the first manager to fail by a very long way and he won't be the last. All this 'he wasn't given a chance because he is American' is complete and utter nonsense, nobody gives a flying one where he is from, Americans aren't anything 'special' you know, he simply took on a job that (currently) is beyond him, there is no reason why he can't manage somewhere else (even somewhere in England) and become successful.
Then they fired him, brought someone strong in and got back on track with a 66% improvement in points per game. I can't say Bob isn't a visionary.
This . . . Absolutely . . . Tom Carroll and Martin Olsson have started each game that they were available at defensive midfielder (now 15) and left back (now 13) , respectively. Ghanan forward, Jordan Ayew (now 12 appearances), has rotated at the top with Fernando Llorente after coming up from Aston Villa in the Championship. Dutch International winger, Luciano Narsingh, has appeared in 8 (now 11) matches. The central back pairing of Frederico Fernandez and Alfie Mawson have gotten healthy and the defense improved substantially. Some huge holes were filled. And two, supposedly key, transfers, brought in over the summer, by Bob's predecessor, Francesco Guidolin, namely Mike van der Hoorn and Borja Baston have barely played at all. . . . and they're not going to get it.
What you don't get is the pathetic jingoism of your refusal to give Clement any credit because that would involve an implicit critisism of Bradley. You flit between saying the team has barely improved under Clement to saying the improvement is solely due to the playing staff because you don't want to entertain the idea that your great American managerial hope did badly. Both of you are refusing to get it because you're blinded by your biases. If Clement was an American who took over from a foundering Englishman you'd all be singing his praises from on high instead of sniping him from the gutter.
The reality is that under Bradley Swansea went downhill.......and fast, with Clement they have improved tremendously, anybody that seriously believes that Bradley wasn't a problem are simply burying their head in the sand. Its not even about 'points collected' (though Bradley has the worst stat there too), did you see the football Swansea played under Bradley? It was god-awful! Swansea MAY have saved their bacon by firing Bradley. Everybody that actually knows anything about English football knew he wasn't right for the job before he even started, it wasn't rocket science! And everybody was ultimately proved right, his nationality has nothing to do with it, the arrogance shown by thinking that anybody of any nationality can simply walk into a Premier League team with little or no experience and make things successful is misplaced arrogance.
I think it's probably just best to agree to disagree and move on. . . . I have seen folks with less experience often do better than ones who had more. . http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/...-league-title-win-antonio-conte-a7733571.html There was first of all the Chelsea squad he took over. It probably shouldn’t be underestimated how much of a mess it was in at that point. They had come through a dismal season, when both the identity and very character of the team had been so questioned by their own supporters. Chelsea seemed a shapeless, directionless mess. It shouldn’t be forgotten that it wasn’t quite a level playing field for Conte, either. He had no experience of managing outside Italy, and was coming to a new country, something cited before the season as a key reason why Chelsea wouldn’t win the title. He adapted supremely, and showed everyone else how to adapt to situations thrown at them. In that, he also showed how he mastered all the key aspects of management: handling players and having an effect on them, motivating them, tactical insight and innovation, maximising what you have and just generally setting the right tone; the right atmosphere. He ensured Chelsea never lost their focus. Anyway, props to Chelsea for seeing the possibility of what Conte might bring and their faith in someone without the requisite Premier League experience might bring. And simply, this is just addressing the experience in the premiership issue.
Are you seriously trying to suggest that Bradley has the same experience as Conte! lol, the Italian league is one of the strongest in the world, he won it three times in a row! Italian managers are winning the top leagues all over Europe! Its not because Italians are 'special' but they have a LOT of bloody experience in top level football. Look at the end of the day people who have spent a lifetime involved in English football (in otherwords experts on the English game) said from the off that it was a bad decision by Swansea for offering the job AND Bradley for accepting the job and ultimately Bradley failed, he had the worst record and the football was awful, Swansea were a shambles, these are simple facts and they may not be the new Barcelona right now but they have obviously improved since he was removed, are we supposed to believe that you could see something in Bradleys tenure that all the experts have all missed? Are we seriously supposed to believe that you know English football better than Alan Shearer!? I mean, really!? There is no reason why Bradley can't come into the English game and become successful but putting him in charge of a Premier League team from the off is like giving a talented young go-karting champion the keys to a Formula 1 Ferrari on his first season with racing cars!
No, that would be another strawman, which typically means that's the best you can do . . What I am suggesting is that you might need to reconsider your unusually positional thinking, here.
I do? Why is that? It seems to me that everything I have said (and that Alan Shearer has said) has come to pass no? Bob Bradley was woefully ill-prepared to take on the managerial role at a Premier League club, something that has now been proved correct by what subsequently happened?
Little or no experience? Of all things, how do you figure that Bob Bradley lacked experience? National team coach for US and Egypt for 8 years (leading US to win their group over favorites, ahem, England). Nearly led Egypt to World Cup during a revolution and when the national league was suspended. Head coach of first division clubs for 20 years. Furthermore, Bob Bradley doesn't "simply walk into" anything. He's extremely studious, calculated and unpretentious. In hindsight, he probably wishes he hadn't jumped the gun on that Swansea job. No one here thinks that any old asshat can take the reins at any club and succeed. That's absurd.