Would Fraser be included because of his international appearance or is there something else mentioned in his profile?
International recognition plays a part of it, because it mentions a (pretty accurate, I'd say!) saying of how England-based players have to play six times as well as Scottish-based players to earn a cap. Other than that, it mostly traces his career and has some vague platitudes how "this total mastery of opposition has made him one of the most respected players in the game".
@Tom Stevens @PDG1978 It would be good to open the 68-69 thread. I (we) don't want to seize this one with preliminary players.
It's Tom's project mate, so I'm not involved in that kind of stuff, but of course will be ready to contribute my own ideas and lists when it does open. At this stage though I haven't really made any inroads into narrowing down my probable shortlist of 6 (though it's possible someone else could enter the equation) into my podium vote, and outside of that I've just had a few thoughts about probable/possible inclusions. If and when it does open I'd be looking out for the post of @peterhrt concerning Eastern European Player of the Year voting (although calendar year it gives a good input for us).
I don’t want people to feel rushed by continuing this timeline while about half the people have not voted. I am actually thinking about a third timeline though. Any suggestions? Interwar? 90s?
Final results for the 1876-77 season. 23 Man Shortlist Andrews, Peter SCO Heeley (Sheffield) - forward Baird, John SCO Vale of Leven - forward Bury, Lindsay ENG Cambridge University - back Campbell, Charles SCO Queen's Park - half-back Cursham, Arthur ENG Notts County - forward Ferguson, John SCO Vale of Leven – forward Gregory, R ENG Hallam (Sheffield) – forward Heron, Hubert ENG Wanderers - forward Highet, Thomas SCO Queen's Park – forward Jarrett, Beaumont ENG Cambridge University - half-back MacKinnon, William SCO Queen's Park - forward McGeoch, Alexander SCO Dumbreck – goalkeeper McKinnon, Angus SCO Queen's Park – forward McLintock, Alexander SCO Vale of Leven - half-back McNeil, Harry SCO Queen's Park - forward Mosforth, William ENG Sheffield Albion - forward Neill, Robert SCO Queen's Park – back Paton, Robert SCO Vale of Leven - forward Phillips, James SCO Queen's Park - half-back Rawson, William ENG Oxford University/Wanderers - half-back Taylor, Joseph SCO Queen's Park – back Vallance, Tom SCO Rangers – back Weir, James SCO Queen's Park - forward Top3 1. Weir, James 2. Rawson, William 3. McNeil, Harry Team of the Season (2-2-6): McGeoch - Neill, Bury - W Rawson, Jarrett - Weir, McNeil, W MacKinnon, Highet, Cursham, Mosforth.
I would prefer to continue orderly. In fact, I had already begun to gather some information from the 1968-69 season ...
Final results 1877-78 23 Man Shortlist Baird, John SCO Vale of Leven Campbell, Charles SCO Queen's Park Campbell, Peter SCO Rangers Cursham, Arthur ENG Notts County Ferguson, John SCO Vale of Leven Gardner, Robert SCO Clydesdale Highet, Thomas SCO Queen's Park Jarrett, Beaumont ENG Cambridge University Kennedy, Alexander SCO 3rd Lanark Kinnaird, Arthur SCO Wanderers Lang, James SCO 3rd Lanark MacKinnon, William SCO Queen's Park McDougall, John SCO Vale of Leven McGregor, John SCO Vale of Leven McIntyre, Andrew SCO Vale of Leven McLintock, Alexander SCO Vale of Leven McNeil, Harry SCO Queen's Park Mosforth, William ENG The Wednesday Neill, Robert SCO Queen's Park Phillips, James SCO Queen's Park Vallance, Tom SCO Rangers Weir, James SCO Queen's Park Wylie, John ENG Wanderers Top3 1. McNeil, Harry best player and 2 goals against ENG 2. Campbell, Charles captain of Scotland and Queen's Park 3. McDougall, John SCO Cup, scores a hat-trick against England Team of the Season (2-2-6): Gardner - McIntyre, Kinnaird - C Campbell, Jarrett - Wylie, McDougall, Highet, W MacKinnon, H McNeil, Mosforth.
Final results 1869-70 23 Man Shortlist Alcock, Charles ENG (Wanderers) Baker, Alfred ENG (Wanderers/No Names) Bowen, Edward ENG (Wanderers) Crake, William ENG (Barnes/Wanderers) Crawford, Robert SCO (Harrow School) Freeth, Evelyn ENG (Civil Service/Wanderers) Gladstone, William SCO (Old Etonians) Greenhalgh, Harwood ENG (Notts County) Hogg, Quentin SCO (Wanderers) Hooman, Thomas ENG (Old Carthusians/Wanderers) Huggins, C ENG (Wanderers) Kinnaird, Arthur SCO (Wanderers/Old Etonians) Kirkpatrick, James SCO (Wanderers/Civil Service) Lindsay, William ENG (Old Wykehamists) Lubbock, Edgar ENG (Wanderers/West Kent) Miller, F ENG (West Kent) Morten, Alexander ENG (Crystal Palace) Muir Mackenzie, Kenneth SCO (Old Carthusians) Nepean, Charles ENG (Oxford University/Wanderers) Stephenson, Charles ENG (Wanderers/Westminster School) Vidal, Walpole ENG (Wanderers/Westminster School) Whelan, J ENG (Sheffield FC) Willey, T ENG (Sheffield FC) Top3 1. Kinnaird, Arthur SCO (Wanderers/Old Etonians) 2. Baker, Alfred ENG (Wanderers/No Names) 3. Alcock, Charles ENG (Wanderers) Team of the Season (2-1-7): Kirkpatrick - Lubbock, Freeth - Greenhalgh - Vidal, Alcock, Baker, Kinnaird, J Whelan, Nepean, Hooman.
Getting off topic, but combining my estimations over both the 66/67 and 67/68 seasons, I seem to have a potential top dozen players over that period as something like this myself: 1: Best, 2: B.Charlton, 3: Cruyff, 4: Rivera, 5: Eusebio, 6: Mazzola, 7: Dzajic, 8: Pele, 9: Albert, 10: Beckenbauer, 11: Johnstone, 12: Tostao If adding another half year (beginning of 1966) to make the 2.5 years comme bases his 'best players in the world' attempts on (when replicating the FourFourTwo lists etc) for example, I would think Pele and Beckenbauer would be moving up and I guess Cruyff and Dzajic moving down (even though the approach with those lists that comme follows is to weight things towards recent times within the period - in this case the period ending mid 1968). Off topic also, but thinking of the old Ballon d'Or voting process (not reflected, understandably in our project - I did add a feasible FIFA style results list for 66/67 but the main 'results' are Tom's winner/podium/TOTS posts of course), I might have been going with this (although would be a bit uncertain on confirming the Man Utd players in there for 66/67 and wouldn't rule out Eusebio I don't think for example for 67/68): 66/67 - Cruyff, Albert, Johnstone, Charlton, Best 67/68 - Best, Charlton, Dzajic, Rivera, Gerson
1878-79 season 23 Man Shortlist Bailey, Norman ENG Clapham Rovers Bambridge, Charles ENG Swifts Campbell, Charles SCO Queen's Park Campbell, Peter SCO Rangers Cursham, Arthur ENG Notts County Cursham, Henry ENG Thursday Wanderers/Notts County Goodyer, Arthur ENG Nottingham Forest Ker, George SCO Queen's Park Kinnaird, Arthur SCO Old Etonians MacKinnon, William SCO Queen's Park McDougall, John SCO Vale of Leven McNeil, Harry SCO Queen's Park McPherson, John SCO Vale of Leven Mosforth, William ENG Sheffield Albion Parlane, Robert SCO Vale of Leven Paton, Robert SCO Vale of Leven Prinsep, James ENG Clapham Rovers Richmond, James SCO Queen's Park Smith, John SCO Mauchline Somers, William SCO 3rd Lanark/Queen's Park Vallance, Tom SCO Rangers Wace, Henry ENG Wanderers Whitfeld, Herbert ENG Old Etonians Top 3 1. Bailey, Norman ENG Clapham Rovers 2. McNeil, Harry SCO Queen's Park 3. Mosforth, William ENG Sheffield Albion Team of the Season (2-2-6): Parlane - C. Campbell, Vallance - Bailey, Prinsep - Goodyer, Wace, John Smith, H McNeil, Bambridge, Mosforth.
Full Results for the first decade of football, the 1870s. Thanks to @peterhrt and @elegos7 for putting in all the work! 1869-70 23 Man Shortlist Alcock, Charles ENG (Wanderers) Baker, Alfred ENG (Wanderers/No Names) Bowen, Edward ENG (Wanderers) Crake, William ENG (Barnes/Wanderers) Crawford, Robert SCO (Harrow School) Freeth, Evelyn ENG (Civil Service/Wanderers) Gladstone, William SCO (Old Etonians) Greenhalgh, Harwood ENG (Notts County) Hogg, Quentin SCO (Wanderers) Hooman, Thomas ENG (Old Carthusians/Wanderers) Huggins, C ENG (Wanderers) Kinnaird, Arthur SCO (Wanderers/Old Etonians) Kirkpatrick, James SCO (Wanderers/Civil Service) Lindsay, William ENG (Old Wykehamists) Lubbock, Edgar ENG (Wanderers/West Kent) Miller, F ENG (West Kent) Morten, Alexander ENG (Crystal Palace) Muir Mackenzie, Kenneth SCO (Old Carthusians) Nepean, Charles ENG (Oxford University/Wanderers) Stephenson, Charles ENG (Wanderers/Westminster School) Vidal, Walpole ENG (Wanderers/Westminster School) Whelan, J ENG (Sheffield FC) Willey, T ENG (Sheffield FC) Top 3 1. Kinnaird, Arthur SCO (Wanderers/Old Etonians) 2. Baker, Alfred ENG (Wanderers/No Names) 3. Alcock, Charles ENG (Wanderers) Team of the Season (2-1-7): Kirkpatrick - Lubbock, Freeth - Greenhalgh - Vidal, Alcock, Baker, Kinnaird, J Whelan, Nepean, Hooman. 1870-71 23 Man Shortlist Alcock, Charles ENG (Wanderers) Baker, Alfred ENG (Wanderers/No Names) Betts, Morton ENG (Wanderers) Clegg, Charles ENG (The Wednesday/Sheffield) Clegg, William ENG (The Wednesday/Sheffield) Chenery, Charles ENG (Crystal Palace) Cockerell, John ENG (Brixton) Crake, William ENG (Barnes/Wanderers) Dixon, Harold ENG (Westminster School) Gladstone, William SCO (Old Etonians/Wanderers) Greenhalgh, Harwood ENG (Notts County) Hogg, Quentin SCO (Wanderers) Hooman, Thomas ENG (Wanderers ) Howard, A ENG (Wanderers) Kinnaird, Arthur SCO (Wanderers/Old Etonians) Kirkpatrick, James SCO (Wanderers/Civil Service) Lubbock, Edgar ENG (Wanderers/West Kent) Morten, Alexander ENG (Crystal Palace) Nepean, Charles ENG (Oxford University/Wanderers) Smith, Robert SCO (Queen's Park/Norwood) Stephenson, Charles ENG (Wanderers/Westminster School) Vidal, Walpole ENG (Wanderers/Westminster School) Walker, Robert ENG (Clapham Rovers) Top 3 1. Alcock, Charles ENG (Wanderers) 2. Kinnaird, Arthur SCO (Wanderers/Old Etonians) 3. Walker, Robert ENG (Clapham Rovers) Team of the Season (1-1-8): Kirkpatrick - Hogg - Baker - Alcock, Kinnaird, WE Clegg, JC Clegg, Vidal, Hooman, Nepean, R Walker. 1871-72 23 Man Shortlist Alcock, Charles ENG (Wanderers/Upton Park) Betts, Morton ENG (Wanderers/Harrow Chequers) Bonsor, Alexander ENG (Wanderers) Clegg, Charles ENG (Sheffield) Chenery, Charlie ENG (Crystal Palace) Gardner, Robert SCO (Queen's Park) Hooman, Thomas ENG (Wanderers/Old Carthusians) Ker, William SCO (Queen's Park) Marindin, Francis ENG (Royal Engineers) Morten, Alexander ENG (Crystal Palace) Renny-Tailyour , Henry SCO (Royal Engineers) Sampson, GH ENG (Sheffield) Smith, Arnold Kirke SCO (Oxford University) Stephenson, Charles ENG (Wanderers/Westminster School) Taylor, Joseph SCO (Queen's Park) Thompson, Albert ENG (Wanderers) Vidal, Walpole ENG (Wanderers/Old Westminsters) Walker, Robert ENG (Clapham Rovers) Weir, James SCO (Queen's Park) Willey, TC ENG (Sheffield) Wotherspoon, David SCO (Queen's Park) Wollaston, Charles ENG (Wanderers/Old Carthusians) Wood, A ENG (Sheffield XI) Top 3 1. Alcock, Charles (Wanderers, London XI, Harrow Pilgrims, Upton Park, England) 2. Chenery, Charlie (Crystal Palace, London XI, England) 3. Thompson, Albert (Wanderers, London XI, England) Team of the Season (2-1-7): Gardner - Taylor, Ker - Thompson - Vidal, Alcock, Chenery, Sampson, Weir, Hooman, JC Clegg 1872-73 23 Man Shortlist Bonsor, Alexander ENG (Wanderers/Old Etonians) Chenery, Charlie ENG (Crystal Palace) Clegg, Charles ENG (Sheffield Wednesday) Gardner, Robert SCO (Queen's Park) Greenhalgh, Harwood ENG (Notts County) Howell, Leonard ENG (Wanderers/Old Wykehamists) Kenyon-Slaney, William ENG (Wanderers/Old Etonians) Ker, William SCO (Queen's Park/Granville) Kinnaird, Arthur SCO (Wanderers) Leckie, Robert SCO (Queen's Park) MacKinnon, Billy SCO (Queen's Park) Morten, Alexander ENG (Crystal Palace) Ottaway, Cuthbert ENG (Oxford University) Renny-Tailyour , Henry SCO (Royal Engineers) Rhind, Alex SCO (Queen's Park) Sampson, GH ENG (Sheffield) Smith, Arnold Kirke ENG (Oxford University) Taylor, Joseph SCO (Queen's Park) Vidal, Walpole ENG (Oxford University/Old Westminsters) Weir, James SCO (Queen's Park) Willey, TC ENG (Sheffield) Wood, A ENG (Derbyshire/Sheffield) Wotherspoon, David SCO (Queen's Park) Top 3 1. Kinnaird, Arthur SCO (Wanderers) 2. Clegg, Charles ENG (Sheffield Wednesday) 3. Ker, William SCO (Queen's Park/Granville) Team of the Season (2-2-6): Morten - Taylor, Ker - Kinnaird, Vidal - Wood, Weir, JC Clegg, Chenery, Willey, Sampson 1873-74 23 Man Shortlist Campbell, Charles SCO (Queen's Park) Chenery, Charles ENG (Wanderers/ Crystal Palace) Clegg, Charles ENG (Sheffield FC/The Wednesday) Ferguson, John SCO (Vale of Leven) Gardner, Robert SCO (Clydesdale) Goodwyn, Alfred ENG (Royal Engineers) Heron, Hubert ENG (Uxbridge) Hunter, John SCO (Third Lanark) Kingsford, Robert ENG (Wanderers) MacKinnon, William SCO (Queen's Park) McNeil, Harry SCO (Queen's Park) Nepean, Charles ENG (Oxford University) Ottaway, Cuthbert ENG (Oxford University) Owen, John ENG (Sheffield FC) Renny-Tailyour, Henry SCO (Royal Engineers) Sampson, GH ENG (The Wednesday) Taylor, Joseph SCO (Queen's Park) Thomson, James SCO (Queen's Park) Vidal, Walpole ENG (Oxford University) von Donop, Pelham ENG (Royal Engineers) Weir, James SCO (Queen's Park) Wilkinson, W ENG (Fir Vale/Sheffield) Wood, A ENG Sheffield (The Wednesday) Top 3 1. Weir, James SCO (Queen's Park) 2. McNeil, Harry SCO (Queen's Park) 3. Owen, John ENG (Sheffield FC) Team of the Season (2-2-6): Gardner - Hunter, Taylor - Campbell, Goodwyn - Owen, Weir, McNeil, Chenery, J Clegg, Wood 1874-75 23 Man Shortlist Alcock, Charles ENG (Wanderers) Birley, Francis ENG (Wanderers) Bonsor, Alexander ENG (Old Etonians) Carr, William ENG (Sheffield FC) Clegg, William ENG (The Wednesday) Gardner, Robert SCO (Clydesdale) Heron, Hubert ENG (Wanderers) Gregory, R ENG (Hallam/Sheffield) Highet, Thomas SCO (Queen's Park) Kennedy, Alexander SCO (Eastern) Kenrick, Jarvis ENG (Wanderers) Kinnaird, Arthur SCO (Old Etonians) Lubbock, Edgar ENG (Old Etonians) MacKinnon, William SCO (Queen's Park) McNeil, Harry SCO (Queen's Park) Onslow, Gerald ENG (Royal Engineers) Owen, John ENG (Sheffield FC) Rawson, Herbert ENG (Royal Engineers) Renny-Tailyour, Henry SCO (Royal Engineers) Taylor, Joseph SCO (Queen's Park) Weir, James SCO (Queen's Park) Wollaston, Charles ENG (Wanderers) Wood, A ENG (Heeley/Sheffield) Top 3 1. McNeil, Harry SCO (Queen's Park) 2. Kinnaird, Arthur SCO (Old Etonians) 3. Renny-Tailyour, Henry SCO (Royal Engineers) Team of the Season (2-2-6): Gardner - Lubbock, Taylor - Kinnaird, Kennedy - Weir, W MacKinnon, McNeil, WE Clegg, Renny-Tailyour, Heron. 1875-76 23 Man Shortlist Andrews, Peter SCO Eastern - forward Birley, Francis ENG Wanderers - half-back Campbell, Charles SCO Queen's Park - half-back Ferguson, John SCO Vale of Leven - forward Heron, Francis ENG Wanderers - forward Heron, Hubert ENG Wanderers - forward Highet, Thomas SCO Queen's Park - forward Hughes, Thomas ENG Wanderers - forward Kenrick, Jarvis ENG Wanderers - forward Kinnaird, Arthur SCO Old Etonians - forward Lang, James SCO Clydesdale - forward Lindsay, William ENG Wanderers - back Lyttelton, Edward ENG Old Etonians - half-back MacKinnon, William SCO Queen's Park - forward McGeoch, Alexander SCO Dumbreck - goalkeeper McNeil, Harry SCO Queen's Park - forward Mosforth, William ENG Sheffield Albion - forward Neill, Robert SCO Queen's Park - back Rawson, Herbert ENG Royal Engineers - forward Rawson, William ENG Oxford University/Wanderers - back Taylor, Joseph SCO Queen's Park - back Weir, James SCO Queen's Park - forward Wollaston, Charles ENG Wanderers - forward Top 3 1. MacKinnon, William 2. McNeil, Harry 3. Highet, Thomas Team of the Season (2-2-6): McGeogh - Taylor, W Rawson - E Lyttelton, Birley - Weir, McNeil, MacKinnon, Highet, Kinnaird, Mosforth 1876-77 23 Man Shortlist Andrews, Peter SCO Heeley (Sheffield) - forward Baird, John SCO Vale of Leven - forward Bury, Lindsay ENG Cambridge University - back Campbell, Charles SCO Queen's Park - half-back Cursham, Arthur ENG Notts County - forward Ferguson, John SCO Vale of Leven – forward Gregory, R ENG Hallam (Sheffield) – forward Heron, Hubert ENG Wanderers - forward Highet, Thomas SCO Queen's Park – forward Jarrett, Beaumont ENG Cambridge University - half-back MacKinnon, William SCO Queen's Park - forward McGeoch, Alexander SCO Dumbreck – goalkeeper McKinnon, Angus SCO Queen's Park – forward McLintock, Alexander SCO Vale of Leven - half-back McNeil, Harry SCO Queen's Park - forward Mosforth, William ENG Sheffield Albion - forward Neill, Robert SCO Queen's Park – back Paton, Robert SCO Vale of Leven - forward Phillips, James SCO Queen's Park - half-back Rawson, William ENG Oxford University/Wanderers - half-back Taylor, Joseph SCO Queen's Park – back Vallance, Tom SCO Rangers – back Weir, James SCO Queen's Park - forward Top 3 1. Weir, James 2. Rawson, William 3. McNeil, Harry Team of the Season (2-2-6): McGeoch - Neill, Bury - W Rawson, Jarrett - Weir, McNeil, W MacKinnon, Highet, Cursham, Mosforth. 1877-78 23 Man Shortlist Baird, John SCO Vale of Leven Campbell, Charles SCO Queen's Park Campbell, Peter SCO Rangers Cursham, Arthur ENG Notts County Ferguson, John SCO Vale of Leven Gardner, Robert SCO Clydesdale Highet, Thomas SCO Queen's Park Jarrett, Beaumont ENG Cambridge University Kennedy, Alexander SCO 3rd Lanark Kinnaird, Arthur SCO Wanderers Lang, James SCO 3rd Lanark MacKinnon, William SCO Queen's Park McDougall, John SCO Vale of Leven McGregor, John SCO Vale of Leven McIntyre, Andrew SCO Vale of Leven McLintock, Alexander SCO Vale of Leven McNeil, Harry SCO Queen's Park Mosforth, William ENG The Wednesday Neill, Robert SCO Queen's Park Phillips, James SCO Queen's Park Vallance, Tom SCO Rangers Weir, James SCO Queen's Park Wylie, John ENG Wanderers Top 3 1. McNeil, Harry 2. Campbell, Charles 3. McDougall, John Team of the Season (2-2-6): Gardner - McIntyre, Kinnaird - C Campbell, Jarrett - Wylie, McDougall, Highet, W MacKinnon, H McNeil, Mosforth 1878-79 23 Man Shortlist Bailey, Norman ENG Clapham Rovers Bambridge, Charles ENG Swifts Campbell, Charles SCO Queen's Park Campbell, Peter SCO Rangers Cursham, Arthur ENG Notts County Cursham, Henry ENG Thursday Wanderers/Notts County Goodyer, Arthur ENG Nottingham Forest Ker, George SCO Queen's Park Kinnaird, Arthur SCO Old Etonians MacKinnon, William SCO Queen's Park McDougall, John SCO Vale of Leven McNeil, Harry SCO Queen's Park McPherson, John SCO Vale of Leven Mosforth, William ENG Sheffield Albion Parlane, Robert SCO Vale of Leven Paton, Robert SCO Vale of Leven Prinsep, James ENG Clapham Rovers Richmond, James SCO Queen's Park Smith, John SCO Mauchline Somers, William SCO 3rd Lanark/Queen's Park Vallance, Tom SCO Rangers Wace, Henry ENG Wanderers Whitfeld, Herbert ENG Old Etonians Top 3 1. Bailey, Norman ENG Clapham Rovers 2. McNeil, Harry SCO Queen's Park 3. Mosforth, William ENG Sheffield Albion Team of the Season (2-2-6): Parlane - C. Campbell, Vallance - Bailey, Prinsep - Goodyer, Wace, John Smith, H McNeil, Bambridge, Mosforth.
I'd have Best a bit lower and Eusebio in the top three but otherwise this is a good effort. Pele and Albert maybe above Mazzola and Dzajic.
Final results of this season 1879-80. 23 Man Shortlist Bailey, Norman ENG Clapham Rovers Baird, John SCO Vale of Leven Bambridge, Charles ENG Swifts Bastard, Segar ENG Upton Park Campbell, Charles SCO Queen's Park Cursham, Arthur ENG Notts County/Sheffield FC Goodyer, Arthur ENG Nottingham Forest Highet, Thomas SCO Queen's Park Kay, John SCO Queen's Park Ker, George SCO Queen's Park Kinnaird, Arthur SCO Old Etonians Lloyd-Jones, Clopton ENG Clapham Rovers McGregor, John SCO Vale of Leven McNeil, Harry SCO Queen's Park Mosforth, William ENG Sheffield Albion/Sheffield Providence Neill, Robert SCO Queen's Park Smith, John SCO Mauchline Somers, William SCO Queen's Park Sparks, Francis ENG Clapham Rovers Suter, Fergus SCO Darwen Swepstone, Albemarle ENG Pilgrims Widdowson, Samuel ENG Nottingham Forest Wollaston, Charles ENG Wanderers By country: Scotland (12), England (11) By club: Queen's Park (7), Clapham Rovers (3), Vale of Leven (2), Nottingham Forest (2), Old Etonians (1), Sheffield FC (1), Wanderers (1), Mauchline (1), Sheffield Providence (1), Swifts (1), Darwen (1), Pilgrims (1), Upton Park (1) Top3 1. Ker, George SCO Queen's Park 2. Bailey, Norman ENG Clapham Rovers 3. Bambridge, Charles ENG Swifts Team of the Season (2-2-6): Swepstone - Neill, Kinnaird - Bailey, C Campbell - J Smith, G Ker, J McGregor, JC Baird, Bambridge, Mosforth.
Final results 1880-81 season 23 Man Shortlist Anderson, William SCO Queen's Park Bailey, Norman ENG Clapham Rovers Bambridge, Charles ENG Swifts Campbell, Charles SCO Queen's Park Davidson, David SCO Queen's Park Gillespie, George SCO Rangers Gregory, R ENG The Wednesday Hargreaves, John ENG Blackburn Rovers Hill, David SCO Rangers Holm, Andrew SCO Queen's Park Hunter, John ENG Sheffield Heeley Ker, George SCO Queen's Park Kinnaird, Arthur SCO Old Etonians Lindsay, Joseph SCO Dumbarton McNeil, Harry SCO Queen's Park Morgan, John WAL Derby Grammar School Parry, Edward ENG Old Carthusians Prinsep, James ENG Old Carthusians Richmond, James SCO Queen's Park Rostron, Thurston ENG Darwen Smith, John SCO Queen's Park Vallance, Tom SCO Rangers Watson, Andrew SCO Queen's Park By country: Scotland (14), England (8), Wales (1) By club: Queen's Park (9), Rangers (3), Old Carthusians (2), Clapham Rovers (1), Old Etonians (1), The Wednesday (1), Swifts (1), Darwen (1), Blackburn Rovers (1), Derby Grammar School (1), Dumbarton (1), Sheffield Heeley (1) Top3 1. Watson, Andrew SCO Queen's Park 2. Ker, George SCO Queen's Park 3. Smith, John SCO Queen's Park Team of the Season (2-2-6): Gillespie - Watson, T Vallance - C Campbell, Davidson - J Smith, G Ker, H McNeil, R Gregory, Parry, Bambridge.
Final Results 1967-68 23 Man Shortlist Amancio (Real Madrid, Spain) Best, George (Manchester United, Northern Ireland) Beckenbauer, Franz (Bayern Munich, West Germany) Carlos Alberto Torres (Santos, Brazil) Charlton, Bobby (Manchester United, England) Cruyff, Johan (Ajax, Netherlands) Domenghini, Angelo (Internazionale, Italy) Dzajic, Dragan (Red Star Belgrade, Yugoslavia) Eusebio (Benfica, Portugal) Facchetti, Giacinto (Internazionale, Italy) Figeuroa, Elias (Penarol) Gerson (Botafogo, Brazil) Jairzinho (Botafogo, Brazil) Lubanski, Wlodzimierz (Gornik Zabrze, Poland) Mazzola, Sandro (Internazionale, Italy) Pele (Santos, Brazil) Pirri (Real Madrid, Spain) Prati, Pierino (AC Milan, Italy) Rivera, Gianni (AC Milan, Italy) Shesternyov, Albert (CSKA Moscow, Soviet Union) Tostao (Cruzeiro, Brazil) Veron, Juan Ramon (Estudiantes) Zoff, Dino (Napoli, Italy) Finalists Best, George (Manchester United, Northern Ireland) Charlton, Bobby (Manchester United, England) Dzajic, Dragan (Red Star Belgrade, Yugoslavia) Winner Best, George (Manchester United, Northern Ireland) Team of the Season Forward: Eusebio (Benfica, Portugal) Forward: Rivera, Gianni (AC Milan, Italy) Left Wing: Dzajic, Dragan (Red Star Belgrade, Yugoslavia) Right Wing: Best, George (Manchester United, Northern Ireland) Attacking Midfield: Charlton, Bobby (Manchester United, England) Center Midfield: Gerson (Botafogo, Brazil) Left Back: Facchetti, Giacinto (Internazionale, Italy) Right Back: Carlos Alberto Torres (Santos, Brazil) Center Back: Shesternyov, Albert (CSKA Moscow, Soviet Union) Center Back: Figeuroa, Elias (Penarol) Goalkeeper: Zoff, Dino (Napoli, Italy)
I'm not sure if they were unavailable for everyone temporarily or it was just a connection issue for me when I tried before, but they are available again now anyway (I noticed that since some site upgrade the 3rd place matches don't show ratings now, but every other match still shows the France Football ratings - viewed by clicking on the fixture/scoreline, except for the Final where just a click on the 'pitch' is required). http://www.everyfourthyear.se/1970/
I think I do have a provisional shortlist of 30 for 1969/70 now, so I might as well share that first draft of names in case it helps with any tips (although a lot of the names are fairly obvious probably): Doing it geographically again with no estimated ordering: Gordon Banks Bobby Moore George Best Peter Osgood Rinus Israel Wim van Hanegem Johan Cruyff Ove Kindvall Franz Beckenbauer Gunter Netzer Wolfgang Overath Gerd Muller Gianni Rivera Sandro Mazzola Luigi Riva Kazimierz Deyna Wlodzimierz Lubanski Dragan Dzajic Albert Shesternyov Anatoliy Byshovets Ladislao Mazurkiewicz Pedro Rocha Carlos Alberto Clodoaldo Gerson Rivelino Jairzinho Pele Tostao Teofilo Cubillas
I'll post my notes too then. It looks very similar: 69-70 Albertosi Aldo Bet, Roma Ancheta Bremner Cera Cubillas Deyna Eusebio George Graham, Arsenal player of the year v Hanegem v Himst Harry Hood, Celtic, didn't feature in the lost finals, scored important goals, including away vs Rangers. Israel Jairzinho/Brito/Tostao/CA Lee Lubański Mazurkiewicz Müller Pelé Riva Schnellinger