BigSoccer's Players of the Season: 1967-68

Discussion in 'The Beautiful Game' started by Tom Stevens, Mar 27, 2019.

  1. PuckVanHeel

    PuckVanHeel BigSoccer Yellow Card

    Oct 4, 2011
    Club:
    Feyenoord
    @schwuppe

    I'd like to see your reasoning or ideas for your other 23 inclusions (not already explained). Also like to know your ideas on Eusebio for example (and why he's not XI material).
     
  2. Titanlux

    Titanlux Member+

    Barcelona
    Spain
    Nov 27, 2017
    Once the voting of the fellow schwuppe and waiting for Tom confirms the accumulation of votes, here is my particular classification that I have obtained from all our contributions to the top 3, top 23 and XI.

    1 Best
    2 Charlton, Bobby
    3 Dzajic
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    4 Eusebio
    5 Rivera
    6 Beckenbauer & Carlos Alberto
    8 Gerson
    9 Lubanski & Pelé
    11 Amancio & Mazzola
    13 Tostao & Shesternev
    15 Pirri & Facchetti
    17 Figueroa
    18 Cruyff, Prati & Zoff
    21 Jairzinho
    22 Verón
    23 Domenghini
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    24 Moore
    25 Schnellinger
    26 Bell, Byshovets, Netzer, Riva, Streltsov, Szucs, Van Himst & Fazlagic
    34 Bosquier, McNeill & Osim
    37 Albert, Ball, Dunai & Peters
    41 Banks, Bercellino, Holcer, Schulz, Taborsky & Wolter
    47 Adamec, Albrecht, Bremner, Claessen, Di Nallo, Korsos, Lorimer, Nené, Perfumo, Spencer, Tupazinho, Gemmell
    59 Pantelic
    In my opinion missing important names in the honorable mentions. Is it possible that from 1968-69, instead of pointing 23 names, we do it with 30? (Afterwards they continue to order from highest to lowest score for the top 23). That way, there is less chance that some great players are "forgotten."
     
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  3. schwuppe

    schwuppe Member+

    Sep 17, 2009
    Club:
    FC Kryvbas Kryvyi Rih
    Alright, I will get back to you soon.

    Eusebio is XI material - I wasn't sure which of Rivera/Eusebio/Tostao to include.

    They all have some questionmarks:
    Talked about Eusebio in the previous thread - his goalscoring total looks better on paper than it actually was with so many penalties and there's talk of a decline - I don't have the article at hand right now, but I think Arriaga or someone else mentioned it in this thread and I've seen something about it in Buchan too. It definitely sets in for the next season - he had a meniscus surgery in summer of 68. Really liked the video material I've seen from him.

    Tostao was already discussed in this thread.

    Rivera from the newspaper material I've seen like rankings/game reports was the exceptional player for Milan who won the league and CWC - his problem is that he seems to struggle with the NT.
     
  4. Tom Stevens

    Tom Stevens Member+

    Dec 12, 2012
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Final results and voting for top 3 and team of the season.

    Top 3

    Best 27
    Dzajic 9
    Charlton 9

    Eusebio 5
    Pele 4
    Rivera 1

    Team of the season

    Forwards

    Eusebio 8
    Rivera 6

    Pele 4
    Tostao 3

    Left Wing

    Dzajic 10
    Veron 1

    Right Wing

    Best 11

    Attacking Mid

    Charlton 11

    Center Mid

    Gerson 6
    Beckenbauer 5
    Osim 1

    Left Back

    Facchetti 6
    Gemmell 2
    Schnellinger 2
    Taborsky 1

    Right Back

    Carlos Alberto 9
    Fazlagic 2

    Center Back

    Figeuroa 5
    Shesternyov 5

    Moore 5
    Beckenbauer 2
    McNiell 1
    Holcer 1
    Bosquier 1
    Bercellino 1
    Schulz 1

    Goalkeeper

    Zoff 8
    Banks 1
    Pantelic 1
    Wolter 1
     
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  5. Tom Stevens

    Tom Stevens Member+

    Dec 12, 2012
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Final Results 1967-68

    23 Man Shortlist

    Amancio (Real Madrid, Spain)
    Best, George (Manchester United, Northern Ireland)
    Beckenbauer, Franz (Bayern Munich, West Germany)
    Carlos Alberto Torres (Santos, Brazil)
    Charlton, Bobby (Manchester United, England)
    Cruyff, Johan (Ajax, Netherlands)
    Domenghini, Angelo (Internazionale, Italy)
    Dzajic, Dragan (Red Star Belgrade, Yugoslavia)
    Eusebio (Benfica, Portugal)
    Facchetti, Giacinto (Internazionale, Italy)
    Figeuroa, Elias (Penarol)
    Gerson (Botafogo, Brazil)
    Jairzinho (Botafogo, Brazil)
    Lubanski, Wlodzimierz (Gornik Zabrze, Poland)
    Mazzola, Sandro (Internazionale, Italy)
    Pele (Santos, Brazil)
    Pirri (Real Madrid, Spain)
    Prati, Pierino (AC Milan, Italy)
    Rivera, Gianni (AC Milan, Italy)
    Shesternyov, Albert (CSKA Moscow, Soviet Union)
    Tostao (Cruzeiro, Brazil)
    Veron, Juan Ramon (Estudiantes)
    Zoff, Dino (Napoli, Italy)

    Finalists

    Best, George (Manchester United, Northern Ireland)
    Charlton, Bobby (Manchester United, England)
    Dzajic, Dragan (Red Star Belgrade, Yugoslavia)

    Winner

    Best, George (Manchester United, Northern Ireland)

    Team of the Season

    Forward: Eusebio (Benfica, Portugal)
    Forward: Rivera, Gianni (AC Milan, Italy)
    Left Wing: Dzajic, Dragan (Red Star Belgrade, Yugoslavia)
    Right Wing: Best, George (Manchester United, Northern Ireland)
    Attacking Midfield: Charlton, Bobby (Manchester United, England)
    Center Midfield: Gerson (Botafogo, Brazil)
    Left Back: Facchetti, Giacinto (Internazionale, Italy)
    Right Back: Carlos Alberto Torres (Santos, Brazil)
    Center Back: Shesternyov, Albert (CSKA Moscow, Soviet Union)
    Center Back: Figeuroa, Elias (Penarol)
    Goalkeeper: Zoff, Dino (Napoli, Italy)
     
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  6. schwuppe

    schwuppe Member+

    Sep 17, 2009
    Club:
    FC Kryvbas Kryvyi Rih
    Alright. Not sure what to write about some of those if we are just arguing their Top 23 worthiness. I did go through the top Utd league games in 'Times' and watched what was available to compare Best and Charlton. It barely helped to decide which one was better, they are really close this season. Just like the BD voting would suggest.

    Best and Charlton: Best players for the EC winner, great in the league. Top in all votings, XIs, whatever you can think of.

    Cruijff:
    I'm using hindsight knowledge here - I think he just went under the radar because of his NT/league and was already on an extremly high level. Similar might apply to Platini in later years.

    Rivera:
    Looks like the exceptional Serie A player coupled with a CWC run.

    Dzajic: Similar to Best/Charlton a lock in yearly XI, votings... Voted best EE player in a landslide. Information on how he did with his club are limited, but they won their league and the Mitropa Cup (faced teams like Ujpest and Trnava).

    Mazzola & Domenghini: Crucial for their NT, good in the league.

    Amancio:
    Strong in the EC and for Spain. One of the best in La Liga too and popular choice in yearly XIs.

    Albert: Part of his BD season should still fall into it. Internationally recognized, mentioned in ICFC game reports as Ferencvaros' outstanding player. Domestic rating looks great in 67, still good enough in 68.

    Might have missed someone?
     
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  7. carlito86

    carlito86 Member+

    Jan 11, 2016
    Club:
    Real Madrid

    https://footballia.net/matches/yugoslavia-france-euro-qualification
    Very good performance by the Yugoslavian wing wizard(1 goal+1 assist in a euro qualification match vs France)

    Dzajic had mesmeric ball skills
    the way he danced with the ball
    Very Brazilian like

    @PuckVanHeel @Gregoriak
    How great was dzajic in the tournament proper

    I heard many times he was astounding and franz beckenbaur even thought he deserved the ballon for
    Do you have any reports/match ratings

    @PDG1978 @Edhardy
    This is a really great channel for classical players

    With performances(all touches) by Raymond kopa
    Stanley Matthews
    Karl Heinz rumminge
    Jean Tigana
    Alfredo di Stefano
     
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  8. mksevilla

    mksevilla Member

    Roma
    Italy
    May 9, 2020
    Prati did amazingly well in the quarter finals pre-tournament against Bulgaria and was still very good against the Soviet Union. He was substituted in the replay against Jugoslavia for being tired and having been beaten in the individual duel by Fazlagic. Valcareggi changed a lot in the replay and put in Riva, who was fresh and indeed created many problems to Yugoslavia.

    No injuries that I can recall from the sources.


     
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