BigSoccer's Players of the Season: 1908-1909

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  1. elegos7

    elegos7 Member

    Jun 28, 2014
    Club:
    Liverpool LFC
    Here are the main matches of the 1908-1909 season in chronological order.
    Any details about missing goalscorers and best players from match reports would be appreciated.


    URU-ARG 2-2, 15.8.1908, Montevideo, Attendance: 7,000
    goals: Zumaran, Bertone / Brown, Susan

    FA Charity Shield replay, Manchester United-Queens Park Rangers 4-0, 29.8.1908, Stamford Bridge, London, Attendance: 50,000
    goals: Turnbull 3, Wall
    best players: ?

    Scottish League, Dundee-Celtic 2-1, 29.8.1908, Dundee, Attendance: ?
    goals: ?
    best players: ?

    ARG-URU 2-1, 13.9.1908, Buenos Aires, Attendance: 6,700
    goals: Brown, Hutton / Brachi

    ARG-URU 0-1, 4.10.1908, Buenos Aires, Attendance: 7,200
    goals: Brachi

    Scottish League, Celtic-Dundee 2-0, 10.10.1908, Celtic Park, Glasgow, Attendance: ?
    goals: ?
    best players: ?

    Olympic Games Quarter-final, GBR*-SWE 12-1, 20.10.1908, White City Stadium, London, Attendance: 2,000
    goals: Woodward 2, Stapley 2, Purnell 4, Berry, Chapman, Hawkes 2 / Bergström

    Olympic Games Semi-final, GBR*-NED 4-0, 22.10.1908, White City Stadium, London, Attendance: 6,000
    goals: Stapley 4

    Olympic Games Final, GBR*-DEN 2-0, 24.10.1908, White City Stadium, London, Attendance: 8,000
    goals: 1:0 (20.) Chapman, 2:0 (46.) Woodward
    best players: ?

    NED-SWE 5-3, 25.10.1908, The Hague, Attendance: 8,000
    goals: Snethlage 2, Welcker, Francken, Thomée / Gustafsson 2, Ohlson

    HUN-AUT 5-3, 1.11.1908, Budapest, Millenaris Sporttelep, Attendance: 6,500
    goals: Krempels 2, Schlosser, Koródy, O.G / Fischera 2, Studnicka

    Football League, Everton-Sunderland 4-0, 7.11.1908, Liverpool, Attendance: ?
    goals: ?
    best players: ?

    Football League, Newcastle United-Sunderland 1-9, 5.12.1908, Newcastle, Attendance: ?
    goals: ?
    best players: ?

    Football League, Everton-Newcastle United 0-1, 1.1.1909, Liverpool, Attendance: ?
    goals: ?
    best players: ?

    FA Cup 2nd round, Manchester United-Everton 1-0, 6.2.1909, Manchester, Attendance: ?
    goals: ?
    best players: ?

    British Home Championship, ENG-IRL 4-0, 13.2.1909, Bradford, Valley Parade, Attendance: 28,000
    goals: Hilsdon 50', 87'pen, Woodward 60', 80'
    best players: ?
    http://www.englandfootballonline.com/Seas1900-39/1908-09/M0099Ire1909.html
    Arthur Bridgett was injured in the first minute after Jimmy Balfe knocked him off the ball. Although he remained on the pitch until the end of the match, he was unable to play.

    Scottish League-Football League 3-1, 27.2.1909, Glasgow, Celtic Park, Attendance: 46,000
    goals: Paul, Quinn 2 / Woodward
    best players: ?

    British Home Championship, WAL-SCO 3-2, 1.3.1909, The Racecourse Ground, Wrexham, Attendance: 6,000
    goals: Davies (23), Jones (26), Davies (39) / Walker (70), Paul (73)
    best players: ?

    Football League, Sunderland-Everton 2-0, 13.3.1909, Sunderland, Attendance: ?
    goals: ?
    best players: ?

    British Home Championship, ENG-WAL 2-0, 15.3.1909, Nottingham, City Ground, Attendance: 11,500
    goals: Holley 15', Freeman 42'
    best players: ?
    http://www.englandfootballonline.com/Seas1900-39/1908-09/M0100Wal1909.html
    Aided by the blustering wind in the first half, England obtained a lead which they held to the end.
    Just before the first goal, Fred Pentland collided with Charlie Morris and had to retire from the game.

    British Home Championship, SCO-IRL 5-0, 15.3.1909, Ibrox Park, Glasgow, Attendance: 24,000
    goals: McMenemy (15), MacFarlane (20), Thomson (48), McMenemy (77), Paul (84)
    best players: ?

    British Home Championship, IRL-WAL 2-3, 20.3.1909, Belfast, Attendance: 8,000
    goals: 1:0 (30') Lacey, 1:1 (42') W. Jones, 1:2 (62') Wynn, 1:3 (67') Meredith, 2:3 (75') Hunter
    best players: ?

    BEL-NED 1-4, 21.3.1909, Antwerp, Attendance: 6,000
    goals: Poelmans / Snethlage, Dé Kessler, Welcker, Lutjens

    FA Cup Semi-final, Manchester United-Newcastle United 1-0, 27.3.1909, Bramall Lane, Sheffield, Attendance: ?
    goals: ?
    best players: ?

    FA Cup Semi-final, Bristol City-Derby County 1-1, 27.3.1909, Stamford Bridge, London, Attendance: ?
    goals: ?
    best players: ?

    FA Cup Semi-final replay, Bristol City-Derby County 2-1, 31.3.1909, St Andrew's, Birmingham, Attendance: ?
    goals: ?
    best players: ?

    British Home Championship, ENG-SCO 2-0, 3.4.1909, London, Crystal Palace, Attendance: 40,000
    goals: Wall 3', 10'
    best players: ?
    http://www.englandfootballonline.com/Seas1900-39/1908-09/M0101Sco1909.html
    Harold Fleming replaced Tottenham Hotspur FC's Vivian Woodward in the line-up the day before the match. Woodward had injured his ankle in the match between Tottenham Hotspur FC and Gainsborough Trinity FC the previous Saturday. Although he participated in practice, he still felt pain and so withdrew. As he was the original chosen captain, Crompton was then given the responsibility.
    The 38th contest between England and Scotland, played on the Crystal Palace ground on Saturday, produced one of the best international games of recent years. At times the play reached a very high standard, and there was nothing in the shape of rough or foul play to mar what proved to be a most enjoyable game to watch. England gained a well-deserved victory by two goals to none, and earned the distinction of being the first country to win the three international games without the loss of a goal.

    GER-SUI 1-0, 4.4.1909, Karlsruhe, Attendance: 7,000
    goals: Kipp

    HUN-GER 3-3, 4.4.1909, Millenáris Sporttelep, Budapest, Attendance: 9,000
    goals: Borbás, Schlosser, Sebestyén / Worpitzky 2, Ugi

    Scottish Cup Final, Celtic-Rangers 2-2, 10.4.1909, Hampden Park, Glasgow, Attendance: 70,000
    goals: Quinn, Munro / Bennett, Gilchrist
    best players: ?

    Football League, Sunderland-Newcastle United 3-1, 10.4.1909, Sunderland, Attendance: ?
    goals: ?
    best players: ?

    Football League, Newcastle United-Everton 3-0, 12.4.1909, Newcastle, Attendance: ?
    goals: ?
    best players: ?

    Scottish Cup Final replay, Celtic-Rangers 1-1, 17.4.1909, Hampden Park, Glasgow, Attendance: 60,000
    goals: Quinn / Gordon
    best players: ?
    Mayhem broke out at the Scottish Cup Final replay when hundreds of fans rioted at the end of the match. It was the second time that Celtic and Rangers had finished all square. Most of the players and fans alike assumed that there would be extra time. However under the rules of the SFA, extra time was only permissible for the second replay. A rumour spread around the terraces that the result had been pre-arranged to secure a third lucrative pay day.
    When the Scottish Football Association met to consider the matter the following Monday, both clubs made it clear that they did not wish to stage another replay, so the final was never decided and the cup and players medals were withheld.

    FA Cup Final, Manchester United-Bristol City 1-0, 24.4.1909, Crystal Palace, London, Attendance: 71,400
    goals: Turnbull 22'
    best players: ?

    NED-BEL 4-1, 25.4.1909, Rotterdam, Attendance: 10,000
    goals: Lutjens, Snethlage 3 / Goossens

    FA Charity Shield, Newcastle United-Northampton Town 2-0, 29.4.1909, Stamford Bridge, London, Attendance: 7,000
    goals: Allan, Rutherford
    best players: ?

    Charity Cup Final, Rangers-Celtic 4-2, 15.5.1909, Hampden Park, Glasgow, Attendance: 25,000
    goals: 1-0 Gordon, 2-0 Gordon 3-0 Bennett, 3-1 McLean, 4-1 May (penalty), 4-2 Own goal (Rennie).
    best players: ?

    Ferencváros-Sunderland 2-3, 15.5.1909, Millenáris Sporttelep, Budapest, Attendance: ?
    Wiener AC-Sunderland 2-1, 19.5.1909, Vienna, Attendance: ?
    Sunderland tour of Cental Europe. They lose to the best Austrian club, Wiener AC.

    Denmark XI-Newcastle United 1-1, 16.5.1909, Copenhagen, Attendance: ?

    HUN-ENG 2-4, 29.5.1909, Millenáris Sporttelep, Budapest, Attendance: 10,000
    goals: Késmárky, Grósz / Bridgett, Woodward, Fleming, (own goal)
    best players: ?
    Hungary fields only a weaker team.

    HUN-AUT 1-1, 30.5.1909, Millenáris Sporttelep, Budapest, Attendance: 11,000
    goals: Borbás / Schrenk
    Hungary fields its best team.

    HUN-ENG 2-8, 31.5.1909, Millenáris Sporttelep, Budapest, Attendance: 11,000
    goals: Schlosser, Mészáros / Fleming 2, Woodward 4, Holley 2
    best players: ?
    Hungary fields its best team, but they are tired after the match against Austria.

    AUT-ENG 1-8, 1.6.1909, Hohe Warte, Vienna, Attendance: 3,000
    goals: Neubauer / Woodward 3, Halse 2, Holley 2, Warren
    best players: ?

    Challenge Cup Final, Ferencváros-Wiener SC 2-1, 13.6.1909, Vienna, Attendance: 1,000
    goals: Weisz 34', Schlosser 54' /
    The best Austrian club, Wiener AC, who has beaten Hungarian champion Ferencváros in May, does not participate.

    Liga Uruguaya-Everton 1-2, 13.6.1909, Montevideo, Attendance: ?
    Liga Argentina-Everton 1-4, 20.6.1909, Buenos Aires, Attendance: ?
    Everton tour of South America.
     
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  2. peterhrt

    peterhrt Member+

    Oct 21, 2015
    Club:
    Leeds United AFC
    Additions in blue.


    URU-ARG 2-2, 15.8.1908, Montevideo, Attendance: 7,000
    goals: Zumaran, Bertone / Brown, Susan

    FA Charity Shield replay, Manchester United-Queens Park Rangers 4-0, 29.8.1908, Stamford Bridge, London, Attendance: 50,000
    goals: Jimmy Turnbull 3, Wall
    best players: Meredith, Jimmy Turnbull

    Scottish League, Dundee-Celtic 2-1, 29.8.1908, Dundee, Attendance: 19,000
    goals: Hunter, Bellamy / Somers
    best players: Lee, Dainty, Neal /

    ARG-URU 2-1, 13.9.1908, Buenos Aires, Attendance: 6,700
    goals: Brown, Hutton / Brachi

    ARG-URU 0-1, 4.10.1908, Buenos Aires, Attendance: 7,200
    goals: Brachi

    Scottish League, Celtic-Dundee 2-0, 10.10.1908, Celtic Park, Glasgow, Attendance: 30,000
    goals: Hamilton 2
    best players: Hamilton, Somers / Dainty

    Olympic Games Quarter-final, GBR*-SWE 12-1, 20.10.1908, White City Stadium, London, Attendance: 2,000
    goals: Woodward 2, Stapley 2, Purnell 4, Berry, Chapman, Hawkes 2 / Bergström

    Olympic Games Semi-final, GBR*-NED 4-0, 22.10.1908, White City Stadium, London, Attendance: 6,000
    goals: Stapley 4

    Olympic Games Final, GBR*-DEN 2-0, 24.10.1908, White City Stadium, London, Attendance: 8,000
    goals: 1:0 (20.) Chapman, 2:0 (46.) Woodward
    best players: Bailey (gk) /
    Globe newspaper: Great Britain was far from poorly represented out of the limited amateur talent available, in the Olympic contests, and yet was hard pressed to beat Denmark, the final score being only two goals to nil in favour of England, while, especially in the second half, the Danes were good value for quite this number of goals.


    NED-SWE 5-3, 25.10.1908, The Hague, Attendance: 8,000
    goals: Snethlage 2, Welcker, Francken, Thomée / Gustafsson 2, Ohlson

    HUN-AUT 5-3, 1.11.1908, Budapest, Millenaris Sporttelep, Attendance: 6,500
    goals: Krempels 2, Schlosser, Koródy, O.G / Fischera 2, Studnicka

    Football League, Everton-Sunderland 4-0, 7.11.1908, Liverpool, Attendance: 25,000
    goals: Freeman 3, Coleman
    best players: Scott (gk), Sharp, Freeman / Roose (gk)

    Football League, Newcastle United-Sunderland 1-9, 5.12.1908, Newcastle, Attendance: 50,000
    goals: Shepherd (pen) / Hogg 3, Holley 3, Bridgett 2, Mordue
    best players: / Hogg, Holley, Bridgett


    Football League, Everton-Newcastle United 0-1, 1.1.1909, Liverpool, Attendance: 40,000
    goals: Howie
    best players:
    / Lawrence (gk)

    FA Cup 2nd round, Manchester United-Everton 1-0, 6.2.1909, Manchester, Attendance: 35,217
    goals: Halse
    best players: Halse

    British Home Championship, ENG-IRL 4-0, 13.2.1909, Bradford, Valley Parade, Attendance: 28,000
    goals: Hilsdon 50', 87'pen, Woodward 60', 80'
    best players: Wedlock, Woodward, Berry, Crompton, Cottle / Harris, Hunter
    http://www.englandfootballonline.com/Seas1900-39/1908-09/M0099Ire1909.html
    Arthur Bridgett was injured in the first minute after Jimmy Balfe knocked him off the ball. Although he remained on the pitch until the end of the match, he was unable to play.

    Scottish League-Football League 3-1, 27.2.1909, Glasgow, Celtic Park, Attendance: 46,000
    goals: Paul, Quinn 2 / Woodward
    best players: Paul, Bennett, Quinn, May, Collins / Hardy (gk)
    England picked a largely experimental side.


    British Home Championship, WAL-SCO 3-2, 1.3.1909, The Racecourse Ground, Wrexham, Attendance: 6,000
    goals: Davies (23), Jones (26), Davies (39) / Walker (70), Paul (73)
    best players: Meredith, Roose (gk), Lot Jones / Paul, Somers

    Football League, Sunderland-Everton 2-0, 13.3.1909, Sunderland, Attendance: 8,000
    goals: Brown 2
    best players: Brown

    British Home Championship, ENG-WAL 2-0, 15.3.1909, Nottingham, City Ground, Attendance: 11,500
    goals: Holley 15', Freeman 42'
    best players: Woodward, Warren
    http://www.englandfootballonline.com/Seas1900-39/1908-09/M0100Wal1909.html
    Aided by the blustering wind in the first half, England obtained a lead which they held to the end.
    Just before the first goal, Fred Pentland collided with Charlie Morris and had to retire from the game.

    British Home Championship, SCO-IRL 5-0, 15.3.1909, Ibrox Park, Glasgow, Attendance: 24,000
    goals: McMenemy (15), MacFarlane (20), Thomson (48), McMenemy (77), Paul (84)
    best players: McMenemy

    British Home Championship, IRL-WAL 2-3, 20.3.1909, Belfast, Attendance: 8,000
    goals: 1:0 (30') Lacey, 1:1 (42') W. Jones, 1:2 (62') Wynn, 1:3 (67') Meredith, 2:3 (75') Hunter
    best players: Meredith

    BEL-NED 1-4, 21.3.1909, Antwerp, Attendance: 6,000
    goals: Poelmans / Snethlage, Dé Kessler, Welcker, Lutjens

    FA Cup Semi-final, Manchester United-Newcastle United 1-0, 27.3.1909, Bramall Lane, Sheffield, Attendance: 40,118
    goals: Halse
    best players: Roberts, Duckworth / Veitch

    FA Cup Semi-final, Bristol City-Derby County 1-1, 27.3.1909, Stamford Bridge, London, Attendance: 33,878
    goals: Rippon (pen) / Garry
    best players: Wedlock, Rippon, Cottle, Annan / Morris, Garry, Nicholas, Davis, Thompson

    FA Cup Semi-final replay, Bristol City-Derby County 2-1, 31.3.1909, St Andrew's, Birmingham, Attendance: 30,000
    goals: Rippon (pen), Hardy / Davis
    best players: Wedlock, Hardy / Thompson

    British Home Championship, ENG-SCO 2-0, 3.4.1909, London, Crystal Palace, Attendance: 40,000
    goals: Wall 3', 10'
    best players: Crompton, Pennington, Wall, Wedlock, Holley / Walker
    http://www.englandfootballonline.com/Seas1900-39/1908-09/M0101Sco1909.html
    Harold Fleming replaced Tottenham Hotspur FC's Vivian Woodward in the line-up the day before the match. Woodward had injured his ankle in the match between Tottenham Hotspur FC and Gainsborough Trinity FC the previous Saturday. Although he participated in practice, he still felt pain and so withdrew. As he was the original chosen captain, Crompton was then given the responsibility.
    The 38th contest between England and Scotland, played on the Crystal Palace ground on Saturday, produced one of the best international games of recent years. At times the play reached a very high standard, and there was nothing in the shape of rough or foul play to mar what proved to be a most enjoyable game to watch. England gained a well-deserved victory by two goals to none, and earned the distinction of being the first country to win the three international games without the loss of a goal.
    The Scottish press were very critical of their selectors, which was unusual for the time. Generally the English and Scottish national selectors were respected for their thoroughness and good judgement.

    GER-SUI 1-0, 4.4.1909, Karlsruhe, Attendance: 7,000
    goals: Kipp

    HUN-GER 3-3, 4.4.1909, Millenáris Sporttelep, Budapest, Attendance: 9,000
    goals: Borbás, Schlosser, Sebestyén / Worpitzky 2, Ugi

    Scottish Cup Final, Celtic-Rangers 2-2, 10.4.1909, Hampden Park, Glasgow, Attendance: 70,000
    goals: Quinn, Munro / Bennett, Gilchrist
    best players: McMenemy, Quinn / Craig, Galt

    Football League, Sunderland-Newcastle United 3-1, 10.4.1909, Sunderland, Attendance: 30,000
    goals: Brown 2, Holley (pen) / Shepherd
    best players: Brown, Roose (gk), Bridgett / Shepherd, Anderson

    Football League, Newcastle United-Everton 3-0, 12.4.1909, Newcastle, Attendance: 30,000
    goals: McCracken (pen), Stewart 2
    best players: McCracken, Rutherford, McWilliam

    Scottish Cup Final replay, Celtic-Rangers 1-1, 17.4.1909, Hampden Park, Glasgow, Attendance: 60,000
    goals: Quinn / Gordon
    best players: McNair, Quinn / McPherson, A Smith
    Mayhem broke out at the Scottish Cup Final replay when hundreds of fans rioted at the end of the match. It was the second time that Celtic and Rangers had finished all square. Most of the players and fans alike assumed that there would be extra time. However under the rules of the SFA, extra time was only permissible for the second replay. A rumour spread around the terraces that the result had been pre-arranged to secure a third lucrative pay day.
    When the Scottish Football Association met to consider the matter the following Monday, both clubs made it clear that they did not wish to stage another replay, so the final was never decided and the cup and players medals were withheld.

    FA Cup Final, Manchester United-Bristol City 1-0, 24.4.1909, Crystal Palace, London, Attendance: 71,400
    goals: Sandy Turnbull 22'
    best players: Roberts, Meredith, Wall, Duckworth / Wedlock

    NED-BEL 4-1, 25.4.1909, Rotterdam, Attendance: 10,000
    goals: Lutjens, Snethlage 3 / Goossens

    FA Charity Shield, Newcastle United-Northampton Town 2-0, 29.4.1909, Stamford Bridge, London, Attendance: 7,000
    goals: Allan, Rutherford
    best players: Rutherford

    Charity Cup Final, Rangers-Celtic 4-2, 15.5.1909, Hampden Park, Glasgow, Attendance: 25,000
    goals: 1-0 Gordon, 2-0 Gordon 3-0 Bennett, 3-1 McLean, 4-1 May (penalty), 4-2 Own goal (Rennie).
    best players: Gordon

    Ferencváros-Sunderland 2-3, 15.5.1909, Millenáris Sporttelep, Budapest, Attendance: ?
    Wiener AC-Sunderland 2-1, 19.5.1909, Vienna, Attendance: ?
    Sunderland tour of Cental Europe. They lose to the best Austrian club, Wiener AC.

    Denmark XI-Newcastle United 1-1, 16.5.1909, Copenhagen, Attendance: ?

    HUN-ENG 2-4, 29.5.1909, Millenáris Sporttelep, Budapest, Attendance: 10,000
    goals: Késmárky, Grósz / Bridgett, Woodward, Fleming, (own goal)
    best players: ?
    Hungary fields only a weaker team.

    HUN-AUT 1-1, 30.5.1909, Millenáris Sporttelep, Budapest, Attendance: 11,000
    goals: Borbás / Schrenk
    Hungary fields its best team.

    HUN-ENG 2-8, 31.5.1909, Millenáris Sporttelep, Budapest, Attendance: 11,000
    goals: Schlosser, Mészáros / Fleming 2, Woodward 4, Holley 2
    best players: ?
    Hungary fields its best team, but they are tired after the match against Austria.

    AUT-ENG 1-8, 1.6.1909, Hohe Warte, Vienna, Attendance: 3,000
    goals: Neubauer / Woodward 3, Halse 2, Holley 2, Warren
    best players: ?
    The only reference to this game found is in the Weston-super-Mare Gazette: The match aroused little interest among the spectators. The visitors completely outplayed the Austrians.

    Challenge Cup Final, Ferencváros-Wiener SC 2-1, 13.6.1909, Vienna, Attendance: 1,000
    goals: Weisz 34', Schlosser 54' /
    The best Austrian club, Wiener AC, who has beaten Hungarian champion Ferencváros in May, does not participate.

    Liga Uruguaya-Everton 1-2, 13.6.1909, Montevideo, Attendance: ?
    Liga Argentina-Everton 1-4, 20.6.1909, Buenos Aires, Attendance: ?
    Everton tour of South America.


    Newspaper sources: Daily Telegraph & Courier, Globe, Sporting Life, The Sportsman, Athletic News, Lincolnshire Echo, Manchester Courier, Newcastle Daily Chronicle, Nottingham Journal, Sheffield Daily Telegraph, Sheffield Evening Telegraph, Sheffield Independent, Shields Daily News, Sunderland Daily Echo, Western Times, Weston-super-Mare Gazette, Yorkshire Post, Dundee Courier, The Scotsman, Scottish Referee, Belfast News-Letter.

    Sources are from the British Newspaper Archive, managed by the British Library Board.
     
  3. peterhrt

    peterhrt Member+

    Oct 21, 2015
    Club:
    Leeds United AFC
    Suggested best XI 1908-09 (2-3-5):

    Roose - Crompton, Pennington - Warren, Wedlock, Roberts - Meredith, Walker, Woodward, Holley, Wall.
     
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  4. peterhrt

    peterhrt Member+

    Oct 21, 2015
    Club:
    Leeds United AFC
    The first decade of the twentieth century offered some insight into what was to come. Liverpool and Manchester United won their first league championships. Celtic pulled off consecutive Scottish league and cup doubles, and might have had a third but for crowd trouble. The maximum wage was introduced in England in 1901 and endured for sixty years.

    The merging by the FA of local amateur and professional associations in 1904 spelt the end of amateur influence. Corinthians ceased to be a major force, as did Queen's Park after they joined the Scottish League. An England amateur team began playing internationals in 1906 and won two Olympic tournaments. But it was in no way a representative side. 8,000 spectators watched England's amateurs defeat Denmark in the London Olympic final of 1908. A few months earlier 121,452 had attended the full Scotland v England international at Hampden Park. There was only one amateur player on the field.

    The most consistent English club during the second half of the decade was Newcastle, who claimed three league titles and lost three cup finals they were expected to win. England and Scotland were well matched, winning three games against each other and drawing the remaining four. Half Scotland's players were from English clubs. The leading player of the decade was a Welshman, Billy Meredith, who led Wales to their first Home Championship in 1907.

    Many British teams, major and minor, toured Europe and also South America. Their opponents were usually outclassed but the seeds had been sown.
     
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  5. elegos7

    elegos7 Member

    Jun 28, 2014
    Club:
    Liverpool LFC
    Here are may suggestions for the season.


    23 Man Shortlist

    Bennett, Alexander SCO Rangers
    Bridgett, Arthur ENG Sunderland
    Cottle, Joseph ENG Bristol City
    Crompton, Robert ENG Blackburn Rovers
    Freeman, Bertram ENG Everton
    Hardy, Samuel ENG Liverpool
    Holley, George ENG Sunderland
    McMenemy, James SCO Celtic
    McWilliam, Peter SCO Newcastle United
    Meredith, William WAL Manchester United
    Morris, Charles WAL Derby County
    Paul, Harold SCO Queen's Park
    Pennington, Jesse ENG West Bromwich Albion
    Quinn, James SCO Celtic
    Roberts, Charles ENG Manchester United
    Roose, Leigh WAL Sunderland
    Somers, Peter SCO Celtic
    Stewart, James ENG Newcastle United
    Walker, Robert SCO Heart of Midlothian
    Wall, George ENG Manchester United
    Warren, Benjamin ENG Chelsea
    Wedlock, William ENG Bristol City
    Woodward, Vivian ENG Tottenham Hotspur

    This season maybe we could include someone from the European Continent to replace Bennett. I was thinking on someone from the Silver medalist Danish team, but I do not know who their best player was.
    At this link there is a retrospective Ideal XI for the OG in 1908 (from IFFHS)
    http://www.linguasport.com/futbol/internacional/olimpiadas/1908_londoN.htm
    It contains three Danish players, N. Middelboe, Nielsen and Wolfhagen. Maybe one of them could be included.

    Another possibility is to choose someone from the best Austrian club, Wiener AC, who beat Sunderland. But, for some reason, none of those players were capped two weeks later against England.

    Top 3:
    1. Meredith, William WAL Manchester United
    1. Wedlock, William ENG Bristol City
    3. Roose, Leigh WAL Sunderland

    I cannot decide between Meredith and Wedlock for the top spot. Wedlock was mentioned one more time among the best players, but Manchester United beat Bristol City in the FA Cup final.
    Maybe Woodward could take the No 3 spot.
     
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  6. peterhrt

    peterhrt Member+

    Oct 21, 2015
    Club:
    Leeds United AFC
    I think Meredith is ahead of Wedlock this season despite missing another month through suspension. Other Top 3 candidates are Woodward and Roose, as you say, as well as Crompton.

    Wiener AC were not a particularly strong side. Their victory over Sunderland was one of only two against British teams in 16 matches up to 1914. They drew one and lost the other thirteen. None of their players were picked for a weak Austrian national XI who lost 8-1 at home to England this season.

    I am not sure whether any Danish players have done enough yet. If Denmark had been a genuinely good side they should have been able to beat England's amateurs comfortably.

    The dilemma is that Sophus Nielsen is regarded as one of Denmark's greatest ever players, and not just for scoring a lot of easy goals in one-sided matches. In total he is thought to have scored 213 goals in 175 games. All were against amateurs, including 72 in 18 matches for German club Holstein Kiel in 1910 and 1911. His Danish club was Frem (joined 1904) whose one match against a British team was a 3-2 defeat in May 1908 by an amateur side called Northern Nomads. Like Imre Schlosser, Nielsen was bow-legged, and there appear to be other parallels in that both scored heavily against amateur opponents and were highly regarded as footballers by later generations.

    Middelboe and Wolfhagen both played for KB (Kobenhavn Boldklub). Their club's results against British teams were a 6-1 defeat by Newcastle in 1904, a 9-0 loss to Queen's Park in 1908, one win (3-1) and two losses (4-1 and 5-2) against Leeds Schools in 1912, and a 5-1 win against Queen's Park in 1914. Middelboe joined Chelsea in 1913, which why he is the best known of these three Danes. As the first Danish player in British football, he had a novelty value that may have enhanced his reputation.

    At some stage I think Sophus Nielsen should be included in the Top 23, but I am not sure when. He was 21 at the end of the 1908-09 season and retired at the age of 33.
     
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  7. msioux75

    msioux75 Member+

    Jan 8, 2006
    Lima, Peru
    At this stage, I expect that a country being two steps behind ENG/SCO (I mean, in a similar level to WAL/IRE) could give at least 1 player worthy of a nomination.

    Circa 1908, the better danish players were: N.Middelboe, S.Hansen and Buchwald.
     
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  8. elegos7

    elegos7 Member

    Jun 28, 2014
    Club:
    Liverpool LFC
    I also think we should include, at least as a symbolic gesture, one player from Continental Europe. Based on your opinion, I think he could be Niels Middelboe.


    And I think we should replace Roose with Woodward this season for the No 3 spot. Woodward was selected but could not play against Scotland, and in the previous two BHC matches he was singled out as one of the best players.
     
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  9. elegos7

    elegos7 Member

    Jun 28, 2014
    Club:
    Liverpool LFC
    Final results of the season.


    23 Man Shortlist

    Bridgett, Arthur ENG Sunderland
    Cottle, Joseph ENG Bristol City
    Crompton, Robert ENG Blackburn Rovers
    Freeman, Bertram ENG Everton
    Hardy, Samuel ENG Liverpool
    Holley, George ENG Sunderland
    McMenemy, James SCO Celtic
    McWilliam, Peter SCO Newcastle United
    Meredith, William WAL Manchester United
    Middelboe, Nils DEN Kjøbenhavns Boldklub
    Morris, Charles WAL Derby County
    Paul, Harold SCO Queen's Park
    Pennington, Jesse ENG West Bromwich Albion
    Quinn, James SCO Celtic
    Roberts, Charles ENG Manchester United
    Roose, Leigh WAL Sunderland
    Somers, Peter SCO Celtic
    Stewart, James ENG Newcastle United
    Walker, Robert SCO Heart of Midlothian
    Wall, George ENG Manchester United
    Warren, Benjamin ENG Chelsea
    Wedlock, William ENG Bristol City
    Woodward, Vivian ENG Tottenham Hotspur

    Top 3:
    1. Meredith, William WAL Manchester United
    2. Wedlock, William ENG Bristol City
    3. Woodward, Vivian ENG Tottenham Hotspur

    Best XI (2-3-5):
    Roose - Crompton, Pennington - Warren, Wedlock, Roberts - Meredith, Walker, Woodward, Holley, Wall.
     
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