BigSoccer's Players of the Season: 1890-91

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  1. elegos7

    elegos7 Member

    Jun 28, 2014
    Club:
    Liverpool LFC
    Here are the main matches of the 1890-91 season in chronological order.

    Any details about missing goalscorers and best players from match reports would be appreciated.

    Scottish Cup 1st round, Celtic-Rangers 1-1, 6.9.1890, Glasgow, Attendance: ?
    goals: ?
    best players: ?

    Football League, Preston North End-Blackburn Rovers 1-2, 4.10.1890, Preston, Attendance: ?
    goals: ? / Southworth, Walton
    best players: ?

    Football League, Blackburn Rovers-Preston North End 1-0, 25.10.1890, Blackburn, Attendance: ?
    goals: Southworth
    best players: ?

    Football League, Notts County-Everton 3-1, 1.11.1890, Nottingham, Attendance: ?
    goals: ?
    best players: ?

    Football League, Blackburn Rovers- Everton 2-1, 8.11.1890, Blackburn, Attendance: ?
    goals: ?
    best players: ?

    Football League, Preston North End-Notts County 0-0, 8.11.1890, Preston, Attendance: ?
    goals: ?
    best players: ?

    Football League, Notts County-Blackburn Rovers 1-2, 15.11.1890, Nottingham, Attendance: ?
    goals: ?
    best players: ?

    Football League, Preston North End-Everton 2-0, 22.11.1890, Preston, Attendance: ?
    goals: ?
    best players: ?

    Football League, Everton-Blackburn Rovers 3-1, 29.11.1890, Liverpool, Attendance: ?
    goals: Geary 2 / ?
    best players: ?

    Football League, Notts County-Preston North End 2-1, 6.12.1890, Nottingham, Attendance: ?
    goals: ?
    best players: ?

    Preston North End- Corinthians 1-1, 27.12.1890, Preston, Attendance: ?
    goals: ?
    best players: ?

    Queen's Park-Corinthians 3-1, 1.1.1891, Glasgow, Hampden Park, Attendance: ?
    goals: ?
    best players: ?

    Heart of Midlothian-Blackburn Rovers 1-1, 1.1.1891, Edinburgh, Attendance: ?
    goals: ?
    best players: ?

    Football League, Everton-Notts County 4-2, 3.1.1891, Liverpool, Attendance: ?
    goals: Chadwick 2, Geary, Milward / ?
    best players: ?

    Football League, Everton-Preston North End 0-1, 10.1.1891, Liverpool, Attendance: ?
    goals: ?
    best players: ?

    Scottish Cup Quarter-final, 3rd Lanark- Queen's Park 1-1, 1.10.1891, Glasgow, Attendance: ?
    goals: ?
    best players: ?

    North-South (International Trial) 3-0, 12.1.1891, Nottingham, Attendance: 4,000
    Goals: 1-0 Geary (15 min.), 2-0 Chadwick, 3-0 Geary.
    best players: ?

    FA Cup 1st round, Stoke-Preston North End 3-0, 17.1.1891, Stoke, Attendance: ?
    goals: ?
    best players: ?

    FA Cup 1st round, Sunderland-Everton 1-0, 17.1.1891, Sunderland, Attendance: ?
    goals: ?
    best players: ?

    Scottish Cup Quarter-final replay, Queen's Park-3rd Lanark 2-2, 1.17.1891, Glasgow, Attendance: ?
    goals: ?
    best players: ?

    Corinthians-Everton 1-3, 24.1.1891, London, The Oval, Attendance: ?
    goals: ?
    best players: ?

    Scottish Cup Quarter-final 2nd replay, Queen's Park-3rd Lanark 1-4, 1.24.1891, Glasgow, Attendance: ?
    goals: ?
    best players: ?

    Scottish Cup Semi-final, 3rd Lanark-Heart of Midlothian 1-4, 31.1.1891, Glasgow, Attendance: ?
    goals: ?
    best players: ?

    Scottish Cup Final, Heart of Midlothian-Dumbarton 1-0, 7.2.1891, Hampden Park, Glasgow, Attendance: 14,000
    goals: Willie Mason 15'
    best players: ?

    Corinthians-Queen's Park 0-1, 14.2.1891, London, The Oval, Attendance: ?
    goals: ?
    best players: ?

    Corinthians-Notts County 2-1, 21.2.1891, London, The Oval, Attendance: ?
    goals: ?
    best players: ?

    FA Cup Semi-final, Notts County-Sunderland 3-3, 28.2.1891, Sheffield, Attendance: ?
    goals: McInnes, McGregor, Oswald / Harvie, Scott, Campbell
    best players: ?

    FA Cup Semi-final, Blackburn Rovers-West Bromwich Albion 3-2, 28.2.1891, Stoke, Attendance: ?
    goals: Southworth, Hall, Lofthouse / Groves, Pearson
    best players: ?

    Corinthians-Preston North End 1-2, 2.3.1891, Richmond, Attendance: ?
    goals: ?
    best players: ?

    British Home Championship, ENG-IRL 6-1, 7.3.1891, Wolverhampton, Molineux Stadium, Attendance: 15,000
    goals: Cotterill 15', Henfry 17', Daft 35', Lindley 60’, Bassett 63’, Lindley 83’ / T Whiteside 61’
    best players: ?
    http://www.englandfootballonline.com/Seas1872-00/1890-91/M0041Ire1891.html
    One of two games played by England on the same day.

    British Home Championship, ENG-WAL 4-1, 7.3.1891, Sunderland, Newcastle Road, Attendance: 15,000
    goals: Goodall 30', Southworth 30', Chadwick 40', Milward 43' / E Howell 81’
    best players: ?
    http://www.englandfootballonline.com/Seas1872-00/1890-91/M0041Wal1891.html
    One of two games played by England on the same day.

    FA Cup Semi-final replay, Notts County-Sunderland 2-0, 11.3.1891, Sheffield, Attendance: ?
    goals: Oswald 2
    best players: ?

    Football League, Blackburn Rovers-Notts County 1-7, 14.3.1891, Blackburn, Attendance: ?
    goals: ? / McGregor, Daft, Locker, Oswald, ?
    best players: ?
    Blackburn were saving themselves for the FA Cup final against the same team.

    FA Cup Final, Blackburn Rovers-Notts County 3-1, 21.3.1891, The Oval, Attendance: 23,000
    goals: Dewar, Southworth, Townley / Oswald
    best players: ?

    British Home Championship, WAL-SCO 3-4, 21.3.1891, The Racecourse Ground, Wrexham, Attendance: 4,000
    goals: 0-1 Logan (5), 1-1 Bowdler (12), 2-1 Owen (45), 2-2 Buchanan (51), 2-3 Boyd (59), 3-3 Turner (n/a), 3-4 Boyd (80)
    best players: ?

    Everton-Corinthians 3-0, 28.3.1891, Liverpool, Attendance: ?
    goals: ?
    best players: ?

    British Home Championship, SCO-IRL 2-1, 28.3.1891, Celtic Park, Glasgow, Attendance: 8,000
    goals: 1-0 Low (6), 2-0 Waddell (60), 2-1 Crawford (70)
    best players: ?

    British Home Championship, ENG-SCO 2-1, 6.4.1891, Blackburn, Edwood Park, Attendance: 10,000
    goals: Goodall 20', Chadwick 30' /Watt 85'
    best players: ?
    http://www.englandfootballonline.com/Seas1872-00/1890-91/M0043Sco1891.html
    The Selection Committee named the three sides for Scotland's three matches on Tuesday, 10 March in Glasgow, reserves not named. The team is as that which was selected, three and a half weeks earlier.

    Everton-Queen's Park 1-1, 13.4.1891, Liverpool, Attendance: ?
    goals: ?
    best players: ?

    Football League- Football Alliance 1-1, 20.4.1891, Sheffield, Olive Grove Ground, Attendance: ?
    goals: Chadwick / Davis
    best players: ?

    Celtic-Preston North End 4-0, 21.4.1890, Glasgow, Attendance: ?
    goals: ?
    best players: ?

    Charity Cup Final, Queen's Park-Northern 1-1, 25.4.1891, Glasgow, Hampden Park, Attendance: 2,000
    goals: 1-0 Hamilton, 1-1 Watson.
    best players: ?

    Charity Cup Final replay, Queen's Park-Northern 9-1, 2.5.1891, Glasgow, Hampden Park, Attendance: 1,000
    goals: 1-0 Lambie, 2-0 Waddell, 3-0 Gulliland, 4-0 Waddell, 5-0 Arnott, 6-0 Gulliand, 7-0 Lambie, 8-0 Lambie, 9-0 Lambie, 9-1 Cunningham.
    best players: ?

    Scottish League, play-off match for the title, Dumbarton-Rangers 2-2, 21.5.1891, Cathkin Park, Glasgow, Attendance: ?
    goals: ?
    best players: ?
     
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  2. peterhrt

    peterhrt Member+

    Oct 21, 2015
    Club:
    Leeds United AFC
    Additions in green.


    Scottish Cup 1st round, Celtic-Rangers 1-1, 6.9.1890, Glasgow, Attendance:
    goals: ?
    best players: ?

    Football League, Preston North End-Blackburn Rovers 1-2, 4.10.1890, Preston, Attendance: 10,000
    goals: scrimmage / Southworth, Walton
    best players: / Pennington (gk)

    Football League, Blackburn Rovers-Preston North End 1-0, 25.10.1890, Blackburn, Attendance: 20,000
    goals: Southworth Walton
    best players: Walton / Trainer (gk)

    Football League, Notts County-Everton 3-1, 1.11.1890, Nottingham, Attendance: 13,000
    goals: Daft, og, McInnes / Geary
    best players: McInnes

    Football League, Blackburn Rovers- Everton 2-1, 8.11.1890, Blackburn, Attendance: 15,000
    goals: Southworth 2 / Chadwick
    best players: Southworth, Townley / Chadwick

    Football League, Preston North End-Notts County 0-0, 8.11.1890, Preston, Attendance: ?
    goals: ?
    best players: Trainer (gk)

    Football League, Notts County-Blackburn Rovers 1-2, 15.11.1890, Nottingham, Attendance: 11,000
    goals: Oswald / og, Southworth
    best players: Southworth

    Football League, Preston North End-Everton 2-0, 22.11.1890, Preston, Attendance: 15,000
    goals: scrimmage, G Drummond
    best players: N Ross / Angus (gk)

    Football League, Everton-Blackburn Rovers 3-1, 29.11.1890, Liverpool, Attendance: 12,000
    goals: Geary 2, scrimmage / Southworth
    best players: Milward

    Football League, Notts County-Preston North End 2-1, 6.12.1890, Nottingham, Attendance: 10,000
    goals: Oswald, Locker / Gallacher
    best players: Oswald

    Preston North End- Corinthians 1-1, 27.12.1890, Preston, Attendance: ?
    goals: Gallacher / Cotterill
    best players: N Ross, Holmes / Moon (gk)

    Queen's Park-Corinthians 3-1, 1.1.1891, Glasgow, Hampden Park, Attendance: 10,000
    goals: Robertson, Hamilton ? / Henfrey
    best players: Hamilton, Sellar / Wilkinson (gk)

    Heart of Midlothian-Blackburn Rovers 1-1, 2-2 1.1.1891, Edinburgh, Attendance: 3,000
    Goals: Boyd, og / Hall 2
    best players: ?

    Football League, Everton-Notts County 4-2, 3.1.1891, Liverpool, Attendance: ?
    goals: Chadwick 2, Geary, Milward / scrimmage, Daft
    best players: Robertson

    Football League, Everton-Preston North End 0-1, 10.1.1891, Liverpool, Attendance: 16,000
    goals: Crossens
    best players: / Stewart, N Ross, Holmes

    Scottish Cup Quarter-final, 3rd Lanark- Queen's Park 1-1, 10.1.1891, Glasgow,Attendance: 10,000
    goals: ?
    best players: ?

    North-South (International Trial) 3-0, 12.1.1891, Nottingham, Attendance: 4,000
    Goals: 1-0 Geary (15 min.), 2-0 Chadwick, 3-0 Geary.
    best players: Chadwick, Geary, Townley / Wilkinson (gk)

    FA Cup 1st round, Stoke-Preston North End 3-0, 17.1.1891, Stoke, Attendance: 7,000
    goals: Turner, Ballham, Cooper
    best players: Cooper

    FA Cup 1st round, Sunderland-Everton 1-0, 17.1.1891, Sunderland, Attendance: 20,000
    goals: Campbell
    best players: Campbell

    Scottish Cup Quarter-final replay, Queen's Park-3rd Lanark 2-2, 17.1.1891, Glasgow,Attendance: 10,000
    goals: Sellar, ? / ??
    best players: Arnott, Sillars, Gillespie / Burke, Johnstone

    Corinthians-Everton 1-3, 24.1.1891, London, The Oval, Attendance: 3,000
    goals: Lindley / Robertson, Milward 2
    best players: Milward

    Scottish Cup Quarter-final 2nd replay, Queen's Park-3rd Lanark 1-4, 24.1.1891, Glasgow, Attendance: 8,000
    goals: Gulliland / Burke, Johnstone, ?, scrimmage
    best players: Johnstone

    Scottish Cup Semi-final, 3rd Lanark-Heart of Midlothian 1-4, 31.1.1891, Glasgow,Attendance: ?
    Goals: og / McPherson, Scott, Russell. scrimmage
    best players: / Baird, Russell, Scott

    Scottish Cup Final, Heart of Midlothian-Dumbarton 1-0, 7.2.1891, Hampden Park, Glasgow, Attendance: 14,000
    goals: Willie Mason 15'
    best players: Russell, Baird, Adams / Keir, McNaught
    Dumbarton were strong favourites.


    Corinthians-Queen's Park 0-1, 14.2.1891, London, The Oval, Attendance: ?
    goals: Paul
    best players: ?

    Corinthians-Notts County 2-1, 21.2.1891, London, The Oval, Attendance: ?
    goals: Henfrey, Lindley / McInnes
    best players: Lindley, Currey, Sandilands / Daft

    FA Cup Semi-final, Notts County-Sunderland 3-3, 28.2.1891, Sheffield, Attendance: ?
    goals: McInnes, McGregor, Oswald / Harvie, Scott, Campbell
    best players: Hendry, Thraves (gk), McInnes / Porteous, Wilson, Harvie

    FA Cup Semi-final, Blackburn Rovers-West Bromwich Albion 3-2, 28.2.1891, Stoke, Attendance: ?
    goals: Southworth, Hall, Lofthouse / Groves, Pearson
    best players: Pennington (gk) / Perry

    Corinthians-Preston North End 1-2, 2.3.1891, Richmond, Attendance: 3,000
    goals: Henfrey / Gallacher, Crossens
    best players: / Holmes, Howarth

    British Home Championship, ENG-IRL 6-1, 7.3.1891, Wolverhampton, Molineux Stadium, Attendance: 15,000
    goals: Cotterill 15', Henfry 17', Daft 35', Lindley 60’, Bassett 63’, Lindley 83’ / T Whiteside 61’
    best players: Bassett, Cotterill
    http://www.englandfootballonline.com/Seas1872-00/1890-91/M0041Ire1891.html
    One of two games played by England on the same day.

    British Home Championship, ENG-WAL 4-1, 7.3.1891, Sunderland, Newcastle Road, Attendance: 15,000
    goals: Goodall 30', Southworth 30', Chadwick 40', Milward 43' / E Howell 81’
    best players: Southworth, Holt, Chadwick
    http://www.englandfootballonline.com/Seas1872-00/1890-91/M0041Wal1891.html
    One of two games played by England on the same day.

    FA Cup Semi-final replay, Notts County-Sunderland 2-0, 11.3.1891, Sheffield, Attendance: ?
    goals: Oswald 2
    best players: McGregor, Daft, McInnes / Porteous

    Football League, Blackburn Rovers-Notts County 1-7, 14.3.1891, Blackburn, Attendance: 8,000
    goals: Walton / McGregor 2, Daft 2, Locker, Oswald 2
    best players: / Thraves (gk), Oswald, Daft
    Blackburn were saving themselves for the FA Cup final against the same team.

    FA Cup Final, Blackburn Rovers-Notts County 3-1, 21.3.1891, The Oval, Attendance: 23,000
    goals: Dewar, Southworth, Townley / Oswald
    best players: Brandon, Forbes, Dewar, Townley / Calderhead, Shelton

    British Home Championship, WAL-SCO 3-4, 21.3.1891, The Racecourse Ground, Wrexham, Attendance: 4,000
    goals: 0-1 Logan (5), 1-1 Bowdler (12), 2-1 Owen (45), 2-2 Buchanan (51), 2-3 Boyd (59), 3-3 Turner (n/a), 3-4 Boyd (80)
    best players: / Gulliland

    Everton-Corinthians 3-0, 28.3.1891, Liverpool, Attendance: ?
    Goals: og, Geary, scrimmage
    best players: Milward, Hannah, Doyle / Seton (gk)

    British Home Championship, SCO-IRL 2-1, 28.3.1891, Celtic Park, Glasgow, Attendance: 8,000
    goals: 1-0 Low (6), 2-0 Waddell (60), 2-1 Crawford (70)
    best players: Gillespie (gk) /

    British Home Championship, ENG-SCO 2-1, 6.4.1891, Blackburn, Edwood Park, Attendance: 10,000
    goals: Goodall 20', Chadwick 30' /Watt 85'
    best players: Holt, Chadwick, Milward, Holmes, Howarth / Arnott, Watt, Smellie
    http://www.englandfootballonline.com/Seas1872-00/1890-91/M0043Sco1891.html
    The Selection Committee named the three sides for Scotland's three matches on Tuesday, 10 March in Glasgow, reserves not named. The team is as that which was selected, three and a half weeks earlier.

    Everton-Queen's Park 1-1, 13.4.1891, Liverpool, Attendance: ?
    goals: Chadwick / Hamilton
    best players: Chadwick / Arnott, Smellie, Baird

    Football League- Football Alliance 1-1, 20.4.1891, Sheffield, Olive Grove Ground, Attendance: 6,000
    goals: Chadwick / Davis
    best players: Chadwick, N Ross / Roberts (gk)

    Celtic-Preston North End 4-0, 21.4.1890, Glasgow, Attendance: 5,000
    goals: McMahon 2, og, Dowds
    best players: Campbell, McMahon, Reynolds, McKeown, Maley / G Drummond (centre-half), Trainer (gk)

    Charity Cup Final, Queen's Park-Northern 1-1, 25.4.1891, Glasgow, Hampden Park, Attendance: 2,000
    goals: 1-0 Hamilton, 1-1 Watson.
    best players: ?

    Charity Cup Final replay, Queen's Park-Northern 9-1, 2.5.1891, Glasgow, Hampden Park, Attendance: 1,000
    goals: 1-0 Lambie, 2-0 Waddell, 3-0 Gulliland, 4-0 Waddell, 5-0 Arnott, 6-0 Gulliand, 7-0 Lambie, 8-0 Lambie, 9-0 Lambie, 9-1 Cunningham.
    best players: Lambie

    Scottish League, play-off match for the title, Dumbarton-Rangers 2-2, 21.5.1891, Cathkin Park, Glasgow, Attendance: ?
    Goals: Bell, scrimmage / Hislop 2
    best players: Hislop


    Newspaper sources: London Daily News, Morning Post, Sporting Life, Athletic News, Birminghgam Daily Post, Derby Daily Telegraph, Lancashire Evening Post, Liverpool Mercury, Manchester Courier, Preston Herald, Sheffield Evening Telegraph, Sheffield Independent, South Wales Daily News, York Herald, Yorkshire Evening Press, Yorkshire Post, Dundee Advertiser, Dundee Courier, Dundee Evening Telegraph, Glasgow Evening Post, Glasgow Herald, Scottish Referee.

    Sources are from the British Newspaper Archive, managed by the British Library Board.


     
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  3. peterhrt

    peterhrt Member+

    Oct 21, 2015
    Club:
    Leeds United AFC
    #3 peterhrt, Jun 9, 2019
    Last edited: Jun 9, 2019
    Suggested best XI 1890-91 (2-3-5):

    Trainer - Arnott, N Ross - Kelso, Holt, Shelton - Bassett, Goodall, Southworth, Chadwick, Milward.

    The team of the season is not straightforward. As usual the selection for the annual England v Scotland encounter was taken seriously with trial matches followed by formal meetings involving a number of selectors. England chose four men from league champions Everton.

    Only six points separated the top seven league clubs. Blackburn in sixth place won the FA Cup for the second year running but had none of their players picked despite the international being played at their home ground. This was bound to result in fewer spectators.

    Particularly controversial was the choice of Everton centre-forward Fred Geary ahead of Blackburn's Jack Southworth, league topscorer, and considered by the press to be the best in his position in the country. The selectors were swayed by Geary's fruitful partnership with club teammates Chadwick and Milward, who were both called up.

    Scotland's selectors drew the opposite conclusion from their domestic competitions. The first Scottish league championship was shared by Dumbarton and Rangers who finished eight points clear of the rest. No player from either club was picked for any of Scotland's three internationals this season.

    Cup winners Hearts from Edinburgh had four men in the team to face England despite losing most of their league matches. The west of Scotland press did not rate Hearts players. There were also four representatives from Queen's Park, who did not enter the league and were eliminated in the quarter-finals of the cup. Many did not want Queen's Park to win the cup as they felt it would devalue the league.

    England established international supremacy over Scotland during the first half of the decade, leading the Scots reluctantly to select Anglo Scots from 1896.

    None of the Anglo Scots had an outstanding season in 1890-91. Nick Ross, reverting to full-back, was the best. His Preston teammate Jimmy Trainer, from Wales, was again named the league's leading goalkeeper. Preston were runners-up this year and were knocked out in the first round of the FA Cup by Stoke, who had not been re-elected to the league.
     
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  4. elegos7

    elegos7 Member

    Jun 28, 2014
    Club:
    Liverpool LFC
    Here are my suggestions for the nominees this season.

    23 Man Shortlist


    Arnott, Walter SCO Queen's Park
    Baird, David SCO Heart of Midlothian
    Bassett, William ENG West Bromwich Albion
    Bell, John SCO Dumbarton
    Chadwick, Edgar ENG Everton
    Daft, Harry ENG Notts County
    Geary, Fred ENG Everton
    Goodall, John ENG Derby County
    Holmes, Robert ENG Preston North End
    Holt, John ENG Everton
    Howarth, Robert ENG Preston North End
    Kelso, Robert SCO Preston North End
    Lindley, Tinsley ENG Nottingham Forest
    McInnes, Thomas SCO Notts County
    Milward, Arthur ENG Everton
    Moon, William ENG Old Westminsters
    Oswald, James SCO Notts County
    Ross, Nick SCO Preston North End
    Shelton, Alfred ENG Notts County
    Smellie, Robert SCO Queen's Park
    Southworth, Jack ENG Blackburn Rovers
    Townley, William ENG Blackburn Rovers
    Trainer, James WAL Preston North End

    Top3:
    1. Chadwick, Edgar ENG Everton
    2. Southworth, Jack ENG Blackburn Rovers
    3. Ross, Nick SCO Preston North End

    Other candidates include Holmes, Milward, Arnott.
     
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  5. peterhrt

    peterhrt Member+

    Oct 21, 2015
    Club:
    Leeds United AFC
    Looks like a good selection.
     
  6. Tom Stevens

    Tom Stevens Member+

    Dec 12, 2012
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    How about Doyle and Hannah the everton fullbacks?
     
  7. elegos7

    elegos7 Member

    Jun 28, 2014
    Club:
    Liverpool LFC
    This season in the most important matches both Doyle and Hannah were singled out just once among the best players (in the match against Corinthians).

    Of course it is possible they played well in other Football League matches, but there is a limit how many matches peterhrt can look up, so I typically mention only the key matches involving the leading teams.

    I included Hannah among the nominees in the previous season, because it was in that season that you mentioned him among the Wisden candidates.
    https://www.bigsoccer.com/threads/footballers-of-the-year.2038711/page-17#post-35162378

    Based on the Wisden list Dan Doyle's best year is perhaps 1894, I will nominate him in that season.
     
  8. peterhrt

    peterhrt Member+

    Oct 21, 2015
    Club:
    Leeds United AFC
    Both had decent seasons. They would probably be behind the five full-backs nominated in the 23, four of whom were selected for the England v Scotland match (Ross was not eligible).

    The four Everton men in the Top 23 were also chosen for England against Scotland. Chadwick was the key man in Everton's league title win, forming a particularly effective left-wing partnership with Milward.
     
  9. elegos7

    elegos7 Member

    Jun 28, 2014
    Club:
    Liverpool LFC
    Final results of the season.

    23 Man Shortlist


    Arnott, Walter SCO Queen's Park
    Baird, David SCO Heart of Midlothian
    Bassett, William ENG West Bromwich Albion
    Bell, John SCO Dumbarton
    Chadwick, Edgar ENG Everton
    Daft, Harry ENG Notts County
    Geary, Fred ENG Everton
    Goodall, John ENG Derby County
    Holmes, Robert ENG Preston North End
    Holt, John ENG Everton
    Howarth, Robert ENG Preston North End
    Kelso, Robert SCO Preston North End
    Lindley, Tinsley ENG Nottingham Forest
    McInnes, Thomas SCO Notts County
    Milward, Arthur ENG Everton
    Moon, William ENG Old Westminsters
    Oswald, James SCO Notts County
    Ross, Nick SCO Preston North End
    Shelton, Alfred ENG Notts County
    Smellie, Robert SCO Queen's Park
    Southworth, Jack ENG Blackburn Rovers
    Townley, William ENG Blackburn Rovers
    Trainer, James WAL Preston North End

    Top3:
    1. Chadwick, Edgar ENG Everton
    2. Southworth, Jack ENG Blackburn Rovers
    3. Ross, Nick SCO Preston North End

    Team of the Season (2-3-5):
    Trainer - Arnott, N Ross - Kelso, Holt, Shelton - Bassett, Goodall, Southworth, Chadwick, Milward.
     
  10. msioux75

    msioux75 Member+

    Jan 8, 2006
    Lima, Peru
  11. peterhrt

    peterhrt Member+

    Oct 21, 2015
    Club:
    Leeds United AFC
    Stanfield is another prolific goalscorer playing at a standard below the top level at the time. 178 goals in 181 matches for Irish club Distillery between 1886 and 1898.

    All four of his goals in the 1891 Home Internationals were against Wales.

    Stanfield's international career for Ireland ran from 1887 until 1897. In matches against England and Scotland during that time, Ireland played 22, losing 20 and drawing 2. They scored 21 goals and conceded 109, an average scoreline of 1-5.

    It seems that Stanfield was a skilful all-round forward. The question is to what extent the level he was playing at should be taken into account.
     
  12. msioux75

    msioux75 Member+

    Jan 8, 2006
    Lima, Peru
    In retrospect, Stanfield could be the best Irish player in the 1890s, even some countrymen get a nomination.

    Maybe, in a weaker season?
     
  13. elegos7

    elegos7 Member

    Jun 28, 2014
    Club:
    Liverpool LFC
    The only Irishman we selected in the 1890s is Archibald Goodall who played in the English Football League. We have not selected anybody from the Irish League yet.
     
  14. peterhrt

    peterhrt Member+

    Oct 21, 2015
    Club:
    Leeds United AFC
    There was also Jack Reynolds who made the lists when playing for England, having previously appeared in five matches for Ireland.
     
  15. msioux75

    msioux75 Member+

    Jan 8, 2006
    Lima, Peru
    #15 msioux75, Sep 15, 2019
    Last edited: Sep 15, 2019
    I understand that Stanfield was a sort of "big fish in an Aquarium", but when playing in the NT, he still was viewed as the most valued player?

    Even playing alongside England based players? I mean, comparing him with his countrymen (A.Goodall, Kirwan, etc.)

    I didn't find too much info, about these questions. Thanks
     
  16. peterhrt

    peterhrt Member+

    Oct 21, 2015
    Club:
    Leeds United AFC
    Ireland only allowed Irish-based players to represent the country until 1899, by which time Stanfield had stopped playing. Archie Goodall made his international debut in 1899 aged 34. Jack Kirwan first played for Ireland a year later when in his early twenties.

    According to match reports Stanfield did not make much of an impression against England or Scotland. Most of the games were one-sided so he probably did not get many opportunities. He scored one goal against each of these opponents in 21 matches combined, and England claimed that his goal against them did not cross the line. These were really his only appearances in top-level football at the time.
     
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