BigSoccer's Players of the Season: 1884-85

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  1. elegos7

    elegos7 Member

    Jun 28, 2014
    Club:
    Liverpool LFC
    Here are the main matches of the 1884-85 season in chronological order.

    Any details about missing goalscorers and best players from match reports would be appreciated.

    Queen's Park-Dumbarton 0-0, 18.10.1884, Hampden Park, Glasgow, Attendance: 6,000
    best players: ?
    Queen’s Park’s new ground, also named Hampden Park, is opened on Saturday 18 October.

    Scottish Cup 3rd round, Queen's Park-Battlefield 2-3, 25.10.1884, Hampden Park, Glasgow
    goals: Harrower, o.g. / J. Sellar, Walker, ?
    best players: ?
    Queen’s Park suffered one of the most sensational defeats in the history of Scottish football.

    Scottish Cup 3rd round, Pollokshields Athletic-Dumbarton 4-1, 25.10.1884, Pollok Park, Glasgow
    goals: ?
    best players: ?

    Vale of Leven-Blackburn Rovers 2-0, 8.11.1884, Alexandria
    goals: ?
    best players: ?

    Aston Villa-Queen's Park 2-1, 8.11.1884, Birmingham, Attendance: 15,000
    goals: Arthur Brown, ? / Anderson
    best players: ?

    Preston North End-Vale of Leven 1-0, 29.11.1884, Preston
    goals: ?
    best players: ?

    FA Cup 2nd round, Blackburn Rovers-Blackburn Olympic 3-2, 6.12.1884, Blackburn, Attendance: 11,000
    goals: ?, Fecitt / ?
    best players: ?
    The most eagerly anticipated of all Blackburn derbies took place on 6 December at Leamington Road, Rovers’ home since 1881. It was watched by some 11,000 who saw the home side fall behind 2-1 but equalise from what Olympic were convinced was an indirect free-kick. The furious visitors began to leave the field and were only reluctantly persuaded back, their mood changing from black to worse when recent signing Harry Fecitt scored the winning goal.

    Blackburn Rovers-Corinthians 1-8, 15.12.1884, Blackburn, Attendance: 10,000
    goals: ?
    best players: ?
    Corinthian Football Club undertakes a northern tour in the middle of December, with seven tough games in eight days. The Corinthians fielded their strongest side and thrashed the cup holders 8-1, largely due to the speed and accurate passing of the Corinthian forwards. The result not only inspired interest in the tour but also created instant recognition of the club as one which had come to play and could compete with the best.

    Blackburn Olympic-Corinthians 4-4, 17.12.1884, Blackburn, Attendance: ?
    goals: ? / Smith (2), Lindley, Cobbold
    best players: ?

    Preston North End-Corinthians 3-1, 20.12.1884, Preston, Attendance: 7,000
    goals: ? / Smith
    best players: ?

    Glasgow-London 6-2, 20.12.1884, Hampden Park, Glasgow, Attendance: 5,000
    goals: ?
    best players: ?

    Notts County-Corinthians 3-2, 22.12.1884, Nottingham, Attendance: 2,000
    goals: ? / Smith, Cobbold
    best players: ?

    Queen's Park-Dumbarton 2-1, 27.12.1884, Hampden Park, Glasgow
    goals: Harrower, Hamilton / Brown
    best players: ?

    Queen's Park-Aston Villa 4-3, 1.1.1885, Hampden Park, Glasgow, Attendance: 6,000
    goals: Anderson (3), Christie / Whateley, Brown (2)
    best players: ?

    Blackburn Rovers-Dumbarton 2-0, 1.1.1885, Blackburn
    goals: ?
    best players: ?

    Queen's Park-Vale of Leven 3-2, 10.1.1885, Hampden Park, Glasgow
    goals: Allan, Watt, Christie / ?
    best players: ?

    FA Cup 3rd round replay, West Bromwich Albion-Aston Villa 3-0, 10.1.1885, West Bromwich
    goals: Loach (2), Bayliss
    best players: ?

    FA Cup 4th round, Swifts-Nottingham Forest 0-1, 24.1.1885, The Oval ?
    goals: Widdowson
    best players: ?

    North-South (International Trial) 2-1, 31.1.1885, County Cricket Ground (Derby), Attendance: 3,000
    Goals: 1-0 Brown, 1-1 Cobbold (40 min.), 2-1 Brown.
    Best Players: ?

    Queen's Park-Renton 4-1, 7.2.1885, Cathkin Park, Glasgow
    goals: Anderson, Christie (2), ? / ?
    best players: ?

    Glasgow-Sheffield 9-1, 14.2.1885, Hampden Park, Glasgow, Attendance: several thousand
    goals: reports on the identity of the goal scorers varied enormously
    best players: ?

    Scottish Cup Final, Renton-Vale of Leven 0-0, 21.2.1885, Hampden Park, Glasgow, Attendance: 3,000
    best players: ?

    FA Cup Quarter-final, West Bromwich Albion-Blackburn Rovers 0-2, 21.2.1885, West Bromwich
    goals: ?
    best players: ?

    FA Cup Quarter-final, Old Etonians-Nottingham Forest 0-2, 21.2.1885, The Oval
    goals: Danks, Lindley
    best players: ?

    FA Cup Quarter-final, Notts County-Queen's Park 2-2, 21.2.1885, Trent Bridge, Nottingham, Attendance: 20,000
    goals: 0-1 Christie, 1-1 Gunn, 2-1 Cursham, 2-2 Sellar
    best players: ?
    Extra stands had been erected at the ground but such was the size of the crowd (up to 20,000) that encroachment by spectators presented a great problem.

    Scottish Cup Final replay, Renton-Vale of Leven 3-1, 28.2.1885, Hampden Park, Glasgow, Attendance: 5,000
    goals: A. McCall, McIntyre (2) / ?
    best players: ?

    FA Cup Quarter-final replay, Queen's Park-Notts County 2-1, 28.2.1885, Derby, Attendance: 18,000
    goals: 0-1 Jackson, 1-1 Sellar, 2-1 Arnott
    best players: ?
    The FA decided that the cup replay would take place at Derby on the following Saturday.

    British Home Championship, ENG-IRL 4-0, 28.2.1885, Manchester, Whelley Range, Attendance: 4,000
    goals: Charlie Bambridge 43', Benjamin Spilsbury 75', Eames (o.g.) 77, James Brown
    best players: ?
    http://www.englandfootballonline.com/Seas1872-00/1884-85/M0023Ire1885.html

    FA Cup Semi-final, Blackburn Rovers-Old Carthusians 5-1, 7.3.1885, Trent Bridge, Nottingham
    goals: ?
    best players: ?

    FA Cup Semi-final, Queen's Park-Nottingham Forest 1-1, 14.3.1885, Derby, Attendance: 15,000
    goals: 0-1 Danks or Lindley, 1-1 Anderson
    best players: ?

    British Home Championship, ENG-WAL 1-1, 14.3.1885, Blackburn, Attendance: 7,500
    goals: Mitchell 35', Lewis 37”
    best players: ?
    http://www.englandfootballonline.com/Seas1872-00/1884-85/M0024Wal1885.html

    British Home Championship, SCO-IRL 8-2, 14.3.1885, Hampden Park, Glasgow, Attendance: 6,000
    goals: 1-0 Lamont (10), 2-0 Turner (12), 3-0 Calderwood (15), 4-0 Marshall (35), 5-0 Higgins (51), 6-0 Barbour (53), 7-0 Higgins (60), 8-0 Higgins (70), 8-1 Gibb (85), 8-2 Gibb (90)
    best players: ?

    Corinthians-Preston North End 3-2, ?.1885, London
    goals: ?
    best players: ?

    British Home Championship, ENG-SCO 1-1, 21.3.1885, The Oval, Attendance: 8,000
    goals: 0-1 Lindsay (20), 1-1 Bambridge (57)
    best players: ?
    http://www.englandfootballonline.com/Seas1872-00/1884-85/M0025Sco1885.html

    British Home Championship, WAL-SCO 1-8, 23.3.1885, The Racecourse Ground, Wrexham, Attendance: 4,000
    goals: 0-1 Calderwood (8), 0-2 Anderson (20), 0-3 Allan (30), 1-3 R.A.Jones (50), 1-4 Lindsay (56), 1-5 Anderson (76), 1-6 Calderwood (80), 1-7 Lindsay (84), 1-8 Lindsay (88)
    best players: ?

    FA Cup Semi-final replay, Queen's Park-Nottingham Forest 3-0, 28.3.1885, Merchiston Park, Edinburgh, Attendance: 15,000
    goals: o.g., Sellar (2)
    best players: ?

    Blackburn Olympic-Renton 3-1, 3.4.1885, Blackburn
    goals: ?
    best players: ?

    Bolton Wanderers-Renton 2-1, 4.4.1885, Bolton
    goals: ?
    best players: ?

    Preston North End-Vale of Leven 5-1, 4.4.1885, Preston
    goals: ?
    best players: ?

    FA Cup Final, Blackburn Rovers-Queen's Park 2-0, 4.4.1885, The Oval, Attendance: 12,500
    goals: 1-0 Forrest 18’, 2-0 Brown 70’.
    best players: ?
    An understrength Queen’s Park side played with great spirit but failed to reach their best form and Rovers had the edge throughout.

    Blackburn Rovers-Vale of Leven 1-0, 6.4.1885, Blackburn
    goals: ?
    best players: ?

    Preston North End-Corinthians 0-1, 6.4.1885, Preston
    goals: ?
    best players: ?
    On Monday 6 April, the Corinthians embarked on a short and very intensive tour of England.

    Blackburn Rovers-Corinthians 1-2, 8.4.1885, Blackburn
    goals: ?
    best players: ?

    Aston Villa-Corinthians 1-0, ?.4.1885, Birmingham
    goals: ?
    best players: ?

    British Home Championship, IRL-WAL 2-8, 11.4.1885, Belfast, Attendance: 1,500
    goals: 1:0 (23') Thomas Molyneux, 2:0 (40') Alexander Dill, 2:1 (50') William Owen, 2:2 (52') Herbert Sisson, 2:3 (55') John Roach, 2:4 (59') Herbert Sisson, 2:5 (60') Herbert Sisson, 2:6 (64') John Roach, 2:7 (69') Tom Burke, 2:8 (89') Humphrey Jones
    best players: ?

    Birmingham Cup Final, Aston Villa-Walsall Swifts 2-0, ?.1885, venue?,
    goals: ?
    best players: ?

    Lancashire Cup Final, Blackburn Rovers-Blackburn Olympic 2-1, ?.1885, venue?,
    goals: ?
    best players: ?

    Charity Cup Semifinal, Queen's Park-Renton 3-2, 25.4.1885, Glasgow, Hampden Park, Attendance: 4,000
    goals: Harrower (2), Watt / ?
    best players: ?

    Charity Cup Final, Queen's Park- Dumbarton 1-0, 9.5.1885, Glasgow, Hampden Park, Attendance: 4,000
    goals: Watt
    best players: ?
     
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  2. peterhrt

    peterhrt Member+

    Oct 21, 2015
    Club:
    Leeds United AFC
    Additions in red:

    Queen's Park-Dumbarton 0-0, 18.10.1884, Hampden Park, Glasgow
    , Attendance: 6,000
    best players: ?
    Queen’s Park’s new ground, also named Hampden Park, is opened on Saturday 18 October.

    Scottish Cup 3rd round, Queen's Park-Battlefield 2-3, 25.10.1884, Hampden Park, Glasgow
    goals: Harrower 2, o.g. / J. Sellar, Walker, Fraser, W Sellar
    best players: ?
    Queen’s Park suffered one of the most sensational defeats in the history of Scottish football.
    Battlefield was an offshoot of the Queen's Park club with players being members of both. Several players represented both teams.

    Scottish Cup 3rd round, Pollokshields Athletic-Dumbarton 4-1, 25.10.1884, Pollok Park, Glasgow
    goals: ?
    best players: / McAuley (gk)

    Vale of Leven-Blackburn Rovers 2-0, 8.11.1884, Alexandria
    goals: ?
    best players: ?

    Aston Villa-Queen's Park 2-1, 8.11.1884, Birmingham, Attendance: 15,000
    goals: Arthur Brown, scrimmage from corner / Anderson
    best players: Archie Hunter

    Preston North End-Vale of Leven 1-0, 29.11.1884, Preston
    goals: ?
    best players: ?

    FA Cup 2nd round, Blackburn Rovers-Blackburn Olympic 3-2, 6.12.1884, Blackburn, Attendance: 11,000
    goals: Fecitt 2 McIntyre / Whitehead, scrimmage from corner
    best players: ?
    The most eagerly anticipated of all Blackburn derbies took place on 6 December at Leamington Road, Rovers’ home since 1881. It was watched by some 11,000 who saw the home side fall behind 2-1 but equalise from what Olympic were convinced was an indirect free-kick. The furious visitors began to leave the field and were only reluctantly persuaded back, their mood changing from black to worse when recent signing Harry Fecitt scored the winning goal.

    Aston Villa 3 Cambridge University 1, 13.12.1884, Perry Barr, Attendance 4,000
    Goals: Archie Hunter, Albert Brown, Davis / Marsh
    Best Players:


    Blackburn Rovers-Corinthians 1-8, 15.12.1884, Blackburn, Attendance: 10,000
    goals: Brown / Lindley 2, Smith 2, Cobbold, ???
    best players: Cobbold
    Corinthian Football Club undertakes a northern tour in the middle of December, with seven tough games in eight days. The Corinthians fielded their strongest side and thrashed the cup holders 8-1, largely due to the speed and accurate passing of the Corinthian forwards. The result not only inspired interest in the tour but also created instant recognition of the club as one which had come to play and could compete with the best.

    Darwen 2 Corinthians 1, 16.12.1884, Darwen
    Goals: Rostron (guest from Great Lever), unknown from Shorrock corner / Cobbold
    Best Players:


    Blackburn Olympic-Corinthians 4-4, 17.12.1884, Blackburn, Attendance: 1,000
    goals: Yates 2, Astley, scrimmage / Smith (2), Lindley, Cobbold
    best players: ?

    Sheffield 2 Corinthians 1, 18.12.1884, Sheffield
    Goals: Beardshaw, Dixon / Siddall
    Best Players: / Spilsbury, JW Holm


    Bolton Wanderers 6 Corinthians 0, 19.12.1884, Bolton, Attendance 1,500
    Goals: Struthers 2, Hewitson 3, scrimmage
    Best Players:


    Preston North End-Corinthians 3-1, 20.12.1884, Preston, Attendance: 7,000
    goals: Thompson, Drummond, Dewhurst / Smith
    best players: ?

    Glasgow-London 6-2, 20.12.1884, Hampden Park, Glasgow, Attendance: 5,000
    goals: ?????? / Ibbs 2
    best players: Arnott, C Campbell, Anderson / Holden-White

    Notts County-Corinthians 3-2, 22.12.1884, Nottingham, Attendance: 2,000
    goals: H Cursham 2, Jackson / Smith, Cobbold
    best players: ?

    Queen's Park-Dumbarton 2-1, 27.12.1884, Hampden Park, Glasgow
    goals: Harrower, Hamilton / Brown
    best players: ?

    Queen's Park-Aston Villa 4-3, 1.1.1885, Hampden Park, Glasgow, Attendance: 6,000
    goals: Anderson (3), Christie / Whateley, Brown (2)
    best players: ?

    Blackburn Rovers-Dumbarton 2-0, 1.1.1885, Blackburn
    goals: ?
    best players: ?

    Queen's Park-Vale of Leven 3-2, 10.1.1885, Hampden Park, Glasgow
    goals: Allan, Watt, Christie / ?
    best players: ?

    FA Cup 3rd round replay, West Bromwich Albion-Aston Villa 3-0, 10.1.1885, West Bromwich
    goals: Loach (2), Bayliss
    best players: ?

    FA Cup 4th round, Swifts-Nottingham Forest 0-1, 24.1.1885, The Oval ?
    goals: Widdowson
    best players: ?

    North-South (International Trial) 2-1, 31.1.1885, County Cricket Ground (Derby), Attendance: 3,000
    Goals: 1-0 Brown, 1-1 Cobbold (40 min.), 2-1 Brown.
    Best Players: ?

    Queen's Park-Renton 4-1, 7.2.1885, Cathkin Park, Glasgow
    goals: Anderson, Christie (2), ? / ?
    best players: ?

    Glasgow-Sheffield 9-1, 14.2.1885, Hampden Park, Glasgow, Attendance: several thousand
    goals: reports on the identity of the goal scorers varied enormously
    best players: ?

    Scottish Cup Final, Renton-Vale of Leven 0-0, 21.2.1885, Hampden Park, Glasgow, Attendance: 3,000
    best players: ?

    FA Cup Quarter-final, West Bromwich Albion-Blackburn Rovers 0-2, 21.2.1885, West Bromwich
    goals: ?
    best players: ?

    FA Cup Quarter-final, Old Etonians-Nottingham Forest 0-2, 21.2.1885, The Oval
    goals: Danks, Lindley
    best players: ?

    FA Cup Quarter-final, Notts County-Queen's Park 2-2, 21.2.1885, Trent Bridge, Nottingham, Attendance: 20,000
    goals: 0-1 Christie, 1-1 Gunn, 2-1 Cursham, 2-2 Sellar
    best players: ?
    Extra stands had been erected at the ground but such was the size of the crowd (up to 20,000) that encroachment by spectators presented a great problem.

    Scottish Cup Final replay, Renton-Vale of Leven 3-1, 28.2.1885, Hampden Park, Glasgow, Attendance: 5,000
    goals: A. McCall, McIntyre (2) / scrimmage
    best players: ?

    FA Cup Quarter-final replay, Queen's Park-Notts County 2-1, 28.2.1885, Derby, Attendance: 18,000
    goals: 0-1 Jackson, 1-1 Sellar, 2-1 Arnott Campbell
    best players: Allan / Coulby (gk)
    The FA decided that the cup replay would take place at Derby on the following Saturday.

    British Home Championship, ENG-IRL 4-0, 28.2.1885, Manchester, Whelley Range, Attendance: 4,000
    goals: Charlie Bambridge 43', Benjamin Spilsbury 75', Eames (o.g.) 77, James Brown
    best players: ?
    http://www.englandfootballonline.com/Seas1872-00/1884-85/M0023Ire1885.html

    FA Cup Semi-final, Blackburn Rovers-Old Carthusians 5-1, 7.3.1885, Trent Bridge, Nottingham
    goals: Brown 2, Fecitt, Sourbutts, Lofthouse / Barnby
    best players: ?

    FA Cup Semi-final, Queen's Park-Nottingham Forest 1-1, 14.3.1885, Derby, Attendance: 15,000
    goals: 0-1 Danks or Lindley, 1-1 Anderson
    best players: ?

    British Home Championship, ENG-WAL 1-1, 14.3.1885, Blackburn, Attendance: 7,500
    goals: Mitchell 35', Lewis 37”
    best players: Brown, Bambridge / Mills-Roberts (gk)
    http://www.englandfootballonline.com/Seas1872-00/1884-85/M0024Wal1885.html

    British Home Championship, SCO-IRL 8-2, 14.3.1885, Hampden Park, Glasgow, Attendance: 6,000
    goals: 1-0 Lamont (10), 2-0 Turner (12), 3-0 Calderwood (15), 4-0 Marshall (35), 5-0 Higgins (51), 6-0 Barbour (53), 7-0 Higgins (60), 8-0 Higgins (70), 8-1 Gibb (85), 8-2 Gibb (90)
    best players: ?

    Corinthians-Preston North End 3-2, 17.1.1885, London The Oval, Attendance 5,000
    goals: Pawson 2, Lindley / Dewhurst, Nick Ross
    best players: Pawson, Cobbold / Nick Ross

    British Home Championship, ENG-SCO 1-1, 21.3.1885, The Oval, Attendance: 8,000
    goals: 0-1 Lindsay (20), 1-1 Bambridge (57)
    best players: PM Walters, AM Walters, Cobbold, Bambridge, Bailey, Brown / Paton, Sellar, Allan, Hamilton
    http://www.englandfootballonline.com/Seas1872-00/1884-85/M0025Sco1885.html

    British Home Championship, WAL-SCO 1-8, 23.3.1885, The Racecourse Ground, Wrexham, Attendance: 4,000
    goals: 0-1 Calderwood (8), 0-2 Anderson (20), 0-3 Allan (30), 1-3 R.A.Jones (50), 1-4 Lindsay (56), 1-5 Anderson (76), 1-6 Calderwood (80), 1-7 Lindsay (84), 1-8 Lindsay (88)
    best players: ?

    FA Cup Semi-final replay, Queen's Park-Nottingham Forest 3-0, 28.3.1885, Merchiston Park, Edinburgh, Attendance: 15,000
    goals: o.g., Sellar (2)
    best players: ?

    Birmingham Cup Final, Aston Villa-Walsall Swifts 2-0, 28.3.1885, venue?,Aston Lower Grounds
    goals: Whateley, Vaughton
    best players: Harvey

    Blackburn Olympic-Renton 3-1, 3.4.1885, Blackburn
    goals: ?
    best players: ?

    Bolton Wanderers-Renton 2-1, 4.4.1885, Bolton
    goals: ?
    best players: ?

    Preston North End-Vale of Leven 5-1, 4.4.1885, Preston
    goals: ?
    best players: ?

    FA Cup Final, Blackburn Rovers-Queen's Park 2-0, 4.4.1885, The Oval, Attendance: 12,500
    goals: 1-0 Forrest 18’, 2-0 Brown 70’.
    best players: G Howarth
    An understrength Queen’s Park side played with great spirit but failed to reach their best form and Rovers had the edge throughout.

    Blackburn Rovers-Vale of Leven 1-0, 6.4.1885, Blackburn
    goals: Brown
    best players: Suter, Turner

    Preston North End-Corinthians 0-1, 6.4.1885, Preston
    goals: Allan
    best players: ?
    On Monday 6 April, the Corinthians embarked on a short and very intensive tour of England.

    Derby County 3 Corinthians 3, 7.4.1885, Derby
    Goals: A “Jammer” Smith, Sugg, Chatterton / Spilsbury, Lindley, Dixon
    Best Players: Morley Hill (gk), Sugg, Hickingbotham / Dixon, Lindley, AM Walters


    Blackburn Rovers-Corinthians 1-2, 8.4.1885, Blackburn
    goals: Yates (guest from Olympic) / Spilsbury 2
    best players: PM Walters, AM Walters

    Aston Villa-Corinthians 1-0, 11.4.1885, Birmingham
    goals: Arthur Brown
    best players: ?

    British Home Championship, IRL-WAL 2-8, 11.4.1885, Belfast, Attendance: 1,500
    goals: 1:0 (23') Thomas Molyneux, 2:0 (40') Alexander Dill, 2:1 (50') William Owen, 2:2 (52') Herbert Sisson, 2:3 (55') John Roach, 2:4 (59') Herbert Sisson, 2:5 (60') Herbert Sisson, 2:6 (64') John Roach, 2:7 (69') Tom Burke, 2:8 (89') Humphrey Jones
    best players: ?

    Notts County 1 Preston 2 11.4.1885, Nottingham, Attendance 3,000
    Goals: Jackson, / Thompson, Nick Ross
    Best Players:


    Lancashire Cup Final, Blackburn Rovers-Blackburn Olympic 2-1, 18.4.1885, venue?, Preston
    goals: Fecitt, ? / Slater
    best players: ?

    Charity Cup Semifinal, Queen's Park-Renton 3-2, 25.4.1885, Glasgow, Hampden Park, Attendance: 4,000
    goals: Harrower (2), Watt / ?
    best players: ?

    Charity Cup Final, Queen's Park- Dumbarton 1-0, 9.5.1885, Glasgow, Hampden Park, Attendance: 4,000
    goals: Watt
    best players: ?


    Newspaper sources: Morning Post, The Sportsman, Athletic News, Derby Daily Telegraph, Lancaster Gazette, Lichfield Mercury, Liverpool Mercury, Nottingham Journal, Sheffield Daily Telegraph, Sheffield Independent, Yorkshire Post, Dundee Advertiser, Edinburgh Evening News, Glasgow Herald.

    Sources are from the British Newspaper Archive, managed by the British Library Board.
     
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  3. peterhrt

    peterhrt Member+

    Oct 21, 2015
    Club:
    Leeds United AFC
    Suggested best XI 1884-85 (2-3-5):

    McAuley - PM Walters, AM Walters - Campbell, Forrest, Bailey - Anderson, J Brown, Archie Hunter, Cobbold, Bambridge.
     
  4. elegos7

    elegos7 Member

    Jun 28, 2014
    Club:
    Liverpool LFC
    Here are my suggestions for the nominees this season.

    23 Man Shortlist
    Allan, David SCO Queen's Park
    Anderson, William SCO Queen's Park
    Arnott, Walter SCO Queen's Park
    Bailey, Norman ENG Clapham Rovers
    Bambridge, Charles ENG Swifts
    Brown, James ENG Blackburn Rovers
    Campbell, Charles SCO Queen's Park
    Cobbold, Nevill ENG Cambridge University (did he play for Old Carthusians in the FA Cup?)
    Forrest, James ENG Blackburn Rovers
    Harrower, William SCO Queen's Park
    Hunter, Archibald SCO Aston Villa
    Kelso, Robert SCO Renton
    Lindsay, Joseph SCO Dumbarton
    Lofthouse, Joseph ENG Blackburn Rovers
    McAuley, James SCO Dumbarton
    McPherson, John SCO Vale of Leven
    Mills-Roberts, Robert WAL St. Thomas' Hospital
    Paton, Michael SCO Dumbarton
    Ross, Nick SCO Preston North End
    Sellar, William SCO Battlefield / Queen's Park
    Smith, John SCO Queen's Park
    Walters, Arthur ENG Cambridge University (did he play for Old Carthusians in the FA Cup?)
    Walters, Percy ENG Oxford University (did he play for Old Carthusians in the FA Cup?)

    By country: Scotland (14), England (8), Wales (1)

    Top3
    1. Cobbold, Nevill ENG Cambridge University
    2. Brown, James ENG Blackburn Rovers
    3. Anderson, William SCO Queen's Park

    Team of the Season (2-3-5):
    McAuley - P Walters, AWalters - Campbell, Forrest, Bailey - Anderson, J Brown, A Hunter, Cobbold, Bambridge.
     
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  5. peterhrt

    peterhrt Member+

    Oct 21, 2015
    Club:
    Leeds United AFC
    Looks good to me. The Walters brothers and Cobbold all played for Old Carthusians in the FA Cup.

    There is a sense this season that English teams have caught up with the Scots. Blackburn Rovers were expected to beat Queen's Park in the FA Cup Final, whereas when the two teams met in the final the year before Queen's Park were strong favourites.

    Scottish teams are still playing with six forwards while the English have switched to the pyramid 2-3-5.
     
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  6. elegos7

    elegos7 Member

    Jun 28, 2014
    Club:
    Liverpool LFC
    Did they play in the semi-final when Blackburn Rovers defeated Old Carthusians 5-1 in Nottingham?
     
  7. elegos7

    elegos7 Member

    Jun 28, 2014
    Club:
    Liverpool LFC
    Did John Smith play in the Queen's Park team that was defeated by Battlefield in the Scottish Cup?
     
  8. peterhrt

    peterhrt Member+

    Oct 21, 2015
    Club:
    Leeds United AFC
    Yes, all three played.
     
  9. peterhrt

    peterhrt Member+

    Oct 21, 2015
    Club:
    Leeds United AFC
    No. He was banned by the Scottish FA soon after for playing against a team with professionals (for Corinthians). He used the pseudonym Miller or Mellor for Corinthians because he knew he was breaking SFA regulations.
     
  10. elegos7

    elegos7 Member

    Jun 28, 2014
    Club:
    Liverpool LFC
    In that case it is surprising Old Carthusians lost so decidedly, the defense with the Walters brothers allowing five goals to be scored.
     
  11. peterhrt

    peterhrt Member+

    Oct 21, 2015
    Club:
    Leeds United AFC
    Corinthians were trying to turn the clock back to the beginning of the previous decade when London-based amateurs ruled. There were similarities with Wanderers in that neither had their own ground and both borrowed players from other clubs.

    Corinthians tended to arrange most of their games during the Christmas and Easter holiday periods. With regulations tighter now they were not able to borrow players for the FA Cup as Wanderers had done, and never entered the competition.
     
  12. elegos7

    elegos7 Member

    Jun 28, 2014
    Club:
    Liverpool LFC
    I think Smith was banned only in January 1885, after the Corinthians match against Preston North End in December. So he could have played against Batterfield.
    Interestingly, it looks like Smith played in the first FA Cup semi-final against Nottingham Forest, after he was banned by the Scottish FA.

    Do you have the line-ups for the Queen's Park vs Battlefield match in October 1884?
     
  13. peterhrt

    peterhrt Member+

    Oct 21, 2015
    Club:
    Leeds United AFC
    Cobbold suffered a knee injury during the game which hampered Carthusians. But Blackburn were much the better side, their passing game overcoming the more individualistic Carthusians.
     
  14. peterhrt

    peterhrt Member+

    Oct 21, 2015
    Club:
    Leeds United AFC
    Queen's Park: McCallum - Watson, Gow - Campbell, McDonald - Anderson, H Miller (not Smith), Harrower, Watt, Christie, Allan.

    Battlefield: Mann - Angus, D Cunningham - Fraser, Black - John Sellar, Walker, W Sellar, James Sellar, J Cunningham, Webster.
     
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  15. elegos7

    elegos7 Member

    Jun 28, 2014
    Club:
    Liverpool LFC
    Well, maybe we have too many players from Queen's Park in the Top 23 (six and Sellar, who also played for Battlefield). Maybe Harrower (not capped) and Smith (not capped because of his suspension, although he played well for Corinthians) could be left out to make room for more players from Blackburn or Preston.

    Currently there are just three players from Blackburn Rovers. Maybe Suter and goalkeeper Arthur (capped 3 times) could be addded.
    The problem is we have few match reports with player descriptions this season.
     
  16. peterhrt

    peterhrt Member+

    Oct 21, 2015
    Club:
    Leeds United AFC
    Suter for Harrower looks sensible. I would keep Smith. Blackburn did lose 8-1 to Corinthians.

    With more matches taking place, the press are losing interest in club friendlies and minor competitions such as Charity Cups. It appears that they often do not send anyone to report on these games, but just confirm the score.

    There are probably fewer than 30 games in a season that the newspapers are interested in.
     
  17. peterhrt

    peterhrt Member+

    Oct 21, 2015
    Club:
    Leeds United AFC
    Yes he did. Just found a report in a London publication. He had a poor game, missed chances and was struggling to run at the end. Dank scored the Forest goal.

    Best players were Leighton, Widdowson, Danks, Lindley and the backs Caborn and Hancock for Forest. W Sellar, Anderson, Allan, Campbell and Arnott for Queen's Park.

    Arnott was below par in the FA Cup Final.
     
  18. elegos7

    elegos7 Member

    Jun 28, 2014
    Club:
    Liverpool LFC
    Smith was banned from playing for or against any Scottish club or the Scottish national team. Maybe the FA Cup was outside the jurisdiction of the Scottish FA, so Smith could play there.
     
  19. elegos7

    elegos7 Member

    Jun 28, 2014
    Club:
    Liverpool LFC
    Final results of the season.

    23 Man Shortlist
    Allan, David SCO Queen's Park
    Anderson, William SCO Queen's Park
    Arnott, Walter SCO Queen's Park
    Bailey, Norman ENG Clapham Rovers
    Bambridge, Charles ENG Swifts
    Brown, James ENG Blackburn Rovers
    Campbell, Charles SCO Queen's Park
    Cobbold, Nevill ENG Cambridge University/Old Carthusians
    Forrest, James ENG Blackburn Rovers
    Hunter, Archibald SCO Aston Villa
    Kelso, Robert SCO Renton
    Lindsay, Joseph SCO Dumbarton
    Lofthouse, Joseph ENG Blackburn Rovers
    McAuley, James SCO Dumbarton
    McPherson, John SCO Vale of Leven
    Mills-Roberts, Robert WAL St. Thomas' Hospital
    Paton, Michael SCO Dumbarton
    Ross, Nick SCO Preston North End
    Sellar, William SCO Battlefield/Queen's Park
    Smith, John SCO Queen's Park
    Suter, Fergus SCO Blackburn Rovers
    Walters, Arthur ENG Cambridge University/Old Carthusians
    Walters, Percy ENG Oxford University/Old Carthusians

    By country: Scotland (14), England (8), Wales (1)

    Top3
    1. Cobbold, Nevill ENG Cambridge University
    2. Brown, James ENG Blackburn Rovers
    3. Anderson, William SCO Queen's Park

    Team of the Season (2-3-5):
    McAuley - P Walters, AWalters - Campbell, Forrest, Bailey - Anderson, J Brown, A Hunter, Cobbold, Bambridge.
     

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