BigSoccer's Players of the Season: 1880-81

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  1. elegos7

    elegos7 Member

    Jun 28, 2014
    Club:
    Liverpool LFC
    Here are the main matches of the 1880-81 season in chronological order.

    Any details about missing goalscorers and best players from match reports would be appreciated.

    Queen's Park-Rangers 5-0, 25.9.1880, Glasgow, Hampden Park, Attendance: 3,000
    goals: Kay (2), Smith, Ker (2) (Reports varied as to which players scored Queen’s Park’s five goals)
    best players: ?
    Tom Vallance had to retire from the game shortly after the kick-off.

    Rangers-Queen's Park 2-2, 16.10.1880, Glasgow, Kinning Park,
    goals: Struthers, Angus / Ker, Anderson
    best players: ?

    Nottingham Forest-Rangers 2-1, 30.10.1880, Nottingham
    goals: ?
    best players: ?

    Queen's Park-Vale of Leven 2-1, 30.10.1880, Glasgow, Hampden Park
    goals: Ker, Anderson / McLean
    best players:

    Notts County-Queen’s Park 3-4, 5.11.1880, Nottingham, Attendance: 2,000
    goals: Cursham (2) / Smith (2), Anderson, McNeil
    best players: ?

    FA Cup 2nd round, Nottingham Forest-Aston Villa 1-2, 4.12.1880, Nottingham
    goals: ?
    best players: ?

    Rangers-Nottingham Forest 2-2, 11.12.1880, Glasgow
    goals: ?
    best players: ?

    FA Cup 2nd round, Blackburn Rovers- The Wednesday 0-4, 18.12.1880, Blackburn
    goals: ?
    best players: ?

    Scottish Cup Quarter-final, Rangers-Dumbarton 1-3, 25.12.1880, Glasgow
    goals: ?
    best players: ?

    Queen's Park-Old Etonians 4-0, 1.1.1881, Glasgow, Hampden Park, Attendance: 8,000
    goals: Fraser (2), Davidson, Ker
    best players: ?
    Kinnaird did not play.

    Vale of Leven-Old Etonians 2-1, 3.1.1881, Glasgow
    goals: ?
    best players: ?
    Kinnaird did not play.

    FA Cup 3rd round, Clapham Rovers- Swifts 2-1, 8.1.1881, ?
    goals: ?
    best players: ?

    Scottish Cup Semi-final, Vale of Leven-Dumbarton 0-2, 5.2.1881, Alexandria
    goals: ?
    best players: ?

    Glasgow-Sheffield 3-0, 12.2.1881, Glasgow, Hampden Park, Attendance: 5,000
    goals: Fraser, Ker, ?
    best players: ?

    FA Cup 4th round, Aston Villa-Stafford Road 2-3, 19.2.1881, Birmingham
    goals: ?
    best players: ?

    Nottingham Forest- Vale of Leven 2-0, 19.2.1881, Nottingham
    goals: ?
    best players: ?

    Clapham Rovers-Queen's Park 0-1, 19.2.1881, The Oval, Attendance: 1,200
    goals: Bailey (o.g.)
    best players: ?
    The crowd of over 1,200 was treated to one of the games of the season. Queen’s were mostly on top and scored the only goal of the game. It was an own goal by Bailey who blasted the ball past his own goalkeeper.

    ENG-WAL 0-1, 26.2.1881, Blackburn, Alexandria Meadows, Attendance: 4,250
    http://www.englandfootballonline.com/Seas1872-00/1880-81/M0012Wal1881.html
    goals: Vaughan 54’.
    best players: ?
    "Wretched weather...the ground covered in snow and slush, a circumstance which the English said helped the Welsh to gain their unexpected victory"

    FA Cup 5th round, Darwen-The Wednesday 5-2, 5.3.1881, Darwen
    goals: ?
    best players: ?

    ENG-SCO 1-6, 12.3.1881, The Oval, Attendance: 8,500
    http://www.englandfootballonline.com/Seas1872-00/1880-81/M0013Sco1881.html
    goals: 0-1 Smith (10), 0-2 Hill (53), 1-2 Bambridge (64), 1-3 Smith (69), 1-4 Ker (74), 1-5 Field ('own goal from a scrimmage') (79), 1-6 Ker (89)
    best players: ?

    WAL-SCO 1-5, 14.3.1881, The Racecourse Ground, Wrexham, Attendance: 1,500
    goals: 1-0 Crosse (4), 1-1 Ker (7), 1-2 McNeil (9), 1-3 Bell (10) own goal, 1-4 Ker (44), 1-5 Morgan (52) own goal
    best players: ?

    FA Cup Quarter-final, Old Carthusians-Clapham Rovers 3-1, 19.3.1881, The Oval ?
    goals: ?
    best players: ?

    FA Cup Quarter-final, Stafford Road- Old Etonians 1-2, 19.3.1881, Wolverhampton
    goals: ?
    best players: ?

    FA Cup Semi-final, Old Carthusians-Darwen 4-1, 26.3.1881, The Oval
    goals: ?
    best players: ?

    Scottish Cup Final, Queen's Park-Dumbarton 2-1, 26.3.1881, Glasgow, Kinning Park, Attendance: 15,000
    goals: 1-0 McNeil 6’, 1-1 Brown, 2-1 Kay 60’
    best players: ?
    The result was declared void after Dumbarton protested about spectators on the pitch during the game and a replay was ordered.

    Vale of Leven- Queen's Park 0-0, 2.4.1881, Alexandria, Attendance: 2,000
    best players: ?

    Scottish Cup Final, Queen's Park-Dumbarton 3-1, 9.4.1881, Glasgow, Kinning Park, Attendance: 10,000
    goals: Smith (2), Keir / Meikleham
    best players: ?

    FA Cup Final, Old Carthusians-Old Etonians 3-0, 9.4.1881, The Oval, Attendance: 4,000
    goals: Wynyard 30’, Parry 75’, Tod
    best players: ?

    Blackburn Rovers-Dumbarton 4-0, 23.4.1881, Blackburn
    goals: ?
    best players: ?

    Charity Cup 1st round, Queen's Park-Vale of Leven 3-0, 23.4.1881, Glasgow, Hampden Park, Attendance:
    goals: Smith, Richmond, Fraser
    best players:

    Charity Cup final, Queen's Park-Rangers 1-1, 30.4.1881, Glasgow, Hampden Park, Attendance: 6,000
    goals: Richmond / McKinlay
    best players: ?

    Charity Cup final replay, Rangers-Queen's Park 1-3, 7.5.1881, Glasgow, Kinning Park, Attendance: ?
    goals: scrimmage / Smith (2), Anderson
    best players: ?


    The London vs Sheffield matches probably continued this season. Further details about them would be welcome.
     
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  2. Tom Stevens

    Tom Stevens Member+

    Dec 12, 2012
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    I will be interested to see if you guys think there are any Welsh players worth a shout this season or next when they beat England back to back seasons.
     
  3. peterhrt

    peterhrt Member+

    Oct 21, 2015
    Club:
    Leeds United AFC
    Additions in red.


    Queen's Park-Rangers 5-0, 25.9.1880, Glasgow, Hampden Park
    , Attendance: 3,000
    goals: Kay (2), Smith, Ker (2) (Reports varied as to which players scored Queen’s Park’s five goals)
    best players: ?
    Tom Vallance had to retire from the game shortly after the kick-off.

    Rangers-Queen's Park 2-2, 16.10.1880, Glasgow, Kinning Park,
    goals: Struthers, Angus / Ker, Anderson
    best players: Gillespie (gk)

    Nottingham Forest-Rangers 2-1, 30.10.1880, Nottingham
    goals: scrimmage, Earp / og
    best players: ?

    Queen's Park-Vale of Leven 2-1, 30.10.1880, Glasgow, Hampden Park
    goals: Ker, Anderson / McLean
    best players: H McNeil, Anderson / Paton, McPherson

    FA Cup 1st Round, Sheffield 5 Blackburn Olympic 4, 30.10.1880, Bramall Lane
    Goals: Bradbury, E Barber, H Barber, TH Sorby, og, / Lever, ???
    Best Players: Bradbury, Rodgers


    Notts County-Queen’s Park 3-4, 5.11.1880, Nottingham, Attendance: 2,000
    goals: Cursham (2) / Smith (2), Anderson, McNeil
    best players: Ker, Smith, Anderson

    FA Cup 2nd round, Nottingham Forest-Aston Villa 1-2, 4.12.1880, Nottingham
    goals: Widdowson / A Hunter, Vaughton
    best players: ?

    Rangers-Nottingham Forest 2-2, 11.12.1880, Glasgow
    goals: ?
    best players: ?

    FA Cup 2nd round, Blackburn Rovers- The Wednesday 0-4, 18.12.1880, Blackburn
    goals: R Gregory 3, Winterbottom
    best players: ?

    Scottish Cup Quarter-final, Rangers-Dumbarton 1-3, 25.12.1880, Glasgow
    goals: ?
    best players: ?

    London 5 Sheffield 0, 1.1.1881, The Oval
    Goals: Bambridge 3, Sparks, Mitchell
    Best Players: Swepstone (gk), Bambridge, Bailey


    Queen's Park-Old Etonians 4-0, 1.1.1881, Glasgow, Hampden Park, Attendance: 8,000
    goals: Fraser (2), Davidson, Ker
    best players: ?
    Kinnaird did not play.

    Vale of Leven-Old Etonians 2-1, 3.1.1881, Glasgow
    goals: ?
    best players: ?
    Kinnaird did not play.

    FA Cup 3rd round, Clapham Rovers- Swifts 2-1, 8.1.1881, ?
    goals: Ram, Wollaston / E Wild
    best players: ?

    Scottish Cup Semi-final, Vale of Leven-Dumbarton 0-2, 5.2.1881, Alexandria
    goals: scrimmage, ?
    best players: ?

    Glasgow-Sheffield 3-0, 12.2.1881, Glasgow, Hampden Park, Attendance: 5,000
    goals: Erskine, Fraser, Ker
    best players: Gillespie (gk), Campbell, Davidson, Ker / R Gregory

    FA Cup 4th round, Aston Villa-Stafford Road 2-3, 19.2.1881, Birmingham
    goals: Vaughton 2 / Gowland 2, Crump
    best players: ?

    FA Cup 4th round, Old Carthusians 2 Royal Engineers 0, 19.2.1881
    Goals: Wynyard, Price
    Best Players:


    Nottingham Forest- Vale of Leven 2-0, 19.2.1881, Nottingham
    goals: ?
    best players: ?

    Clapham Rovers-Queen's Park 0-1, 19.2.1881, The Oval, Attendance: 1,200
    goals: Bailey (o.g.)
    best players: ?
    The crowd of over 1,200 was treated to one of the games of the season. Queen’s were mostly on top and scored the only goal of the game. It was an own goal by Bailey who blasted the ball past his own goalkeeper.

    Sheffield 2 Notts County 4, 19.2.1881, Bramall Lane
    Goals: TH Sorby, Newton / Morse, H Cursham, AW Cursham, ?
    Best Players: TH Sorby, Matthews / AW Cursham, Morse, Greenhalgh

    North 1 South 2, 19.2.1881, Bramall Lane
    Goals: Brown / Bambridge, og
    Best Players: J Hunter / Bambridge


    ENG-WAL 0-1, 26.2.1881, Blackburn, Alexandria Meadows, Attendance: 4,250
    http://www.englandfootballonline.com/Seas1872-00/1880-81/M0012Wal1881.html
    goals: Vaughan 54’.
    best players: Bambridge, J Hunter, Brown, Hargreaves / Morgan, Kenrick, Owen, Williams
    "Wretched weather...the ground covered in snow and slush, a circumstance which the English said helped the Welsh to gain their unexpected victory"

    FA Cup 5th round, Darwen-The Wednesday 5-2, 5.3.1881, Darwen
    goals: Bury 3, Rostron 2 / R Gregory 2
    best players: ?

    ENG-SCO 1-6, 12.3.1881, The Oval, Attendance: 8,500
    http://www.englandfootballonline.com/Seas1872-00/1880-81/M0013Sco1881.html
    goals: 0-1 Smith (10), 0-2 Hill (53), 1-2 Bambridge (64), 1-3 Smith (69), 1-4 Ker (74), 1-5 Field ('own goal from a scrimmage') (79), 1-6 Ker (89)
    best players: Ker, J Smith

    WAL-SCO 1-5, 14.3.1881, The Racecourse Ground, Wrexham, Attendance: 1,500
    goals: 1-0 Crosse (4), 1-1 Ker (7), 1-2 McNeil (9), 1-3 Bell (10) own goal, 1-4 Ker (44), 1-5 Morgan (52) own goal
    best players: Gillespie, Davidson

    Sheffield Cup Final, Wednesday 8 Ecclesfield 1, 19.3.1881, Bramall Lane, Attendance 3,000
    Goals: Bingley, Mosforth 2, R Gregory 5 / Hulley
    Best Players: Mosforth, R Gregory


    FA Cup Quarter-final, Old Carthusians-Clapham Rovers 3-1, 19.3.1881, The Oval ? Yes
    goals: Page 2, Parry / Lloyd-Jones
    best players: ?

    FA Cup Quarter-final, Stafford Road- Old Etonians 1-2, 19.3.1881, Wolverhampton
    goals: og / Anderson, scrimmage
    best players: Ray (gk), Dorrance, Turton / Rawlinson (gk), Farrer, French, Whitfield, Goodhart

    FA Cup Semi-final, Old Carthusians-Darwen 4-1, 26.3.1881, The Oval
    goals: Hansell, Tod, Vincent, Wynyard / Marshall
    best players: Parry, Prinsep

    Scottish Cup Final, Queen's Park-Dumbarton 2-1, 26.3.1881, Glasgow, Kinning Park, Attendance: 15,000
    goals: 1-0 McNeil 6’, 1-1 Brown, 2-1 Kay 60’
    best players: Watson
    The result was declared void after Dumbarton protested about spectators on the pitch during the game and a replay was ordered.

    Vale of Leven- Queen's Park 0-0, 2.4.1881, Alexandria, Attendance: 2,000
    best players: ?

    Scottish Cup Final, Queen's Park-Dumbarton 3-1, 9.4.1881, Glasgow, Kinning Park, Attendance: 10,000
    goals: Smith (2), Keir Ker / Meikleham
    best players: Watson, Campbell, Davidson

    FA Cup Final, Old Carthusians-Old Etonians 3-0, 9.4.1881, The Oval, Attendance: 4,000
    goals: Wynyard 30’, Parry 75’, Tod
    best players: Parry, Prinsep

    Blackburn Rovers-Dumbarton 4-0, 23.4.1881, Blackburn
    goals: ?
    best players: ?

    Charity Cup 1st round, Queen's Park-Vale of Leven 3-0, 23.4.1881, Glasgow, Hampden Park, Attendance:
    goals: Smith, Richmond, Fraser
    best players: Richmond, Holms, Davidson / McIntyre, McCrae, Logan

    Charity Cup final, Queen's Park-Rangers 1-1, 30.4.1881, Glasgow, Hampden Park, Attendance: 6,000
    goals: Richmond / McKinlay
    best players: McCallum (gk), Fraser, Richmond / Gillespie (gk), Hill, Inglis, McInlay

    Charity Cup final replay, Rangers-Queen's Park 1-3, 7.5.1881, Glasgow, Kinning Park, Attendance: 10,000
    goals: scrimmage / Smith (2), Anderson
    best players: T Vallance, A Vallance / Watson, Holms


    Newspaper sources: London Daily News, Sporting Life, The Sportsman, Leeds Mercury, Nottingham Evening Post, Sheffield Daily Telegraph, Sheffield Independent, Western Mail, Glasgow Evening Post, Glasgow Herald.

    Sources are from the British Newspaper Archive, managed by the British Library Board.
     
  4. peterhrt

    peterhrt Member+

    Oct 21, 2015
    Club:
    Leeds United AFC
    Suggested best XI 1880-81 (2-2-6):

    Gillespie - Watson, T Vallance - C Campbell, Davidson - J Smith, G Ker, H McNeil, R Gregory, Parry, Bambridge.
     
  5. elegos7

    elegos7 Member

    Jun 28, 2014
    Club:
    Liverpool LFC
    Here are my suggestions for the nominees this season.

    23 Man Shortlist

    Anderson, William SCO Queen's Park
    Bailey, Norman ENG Clapham Rovers
    Bambridge, Charles ENG Swifts
    Campbell, Charles SCO Queen's Park
    Davidson, David SCO Queen's Park
    Gillespie, George SCO Rangers
    Gregory, R ENG The Wednesday
    Hargreaves, John ENG Blackburn Rovers
    Hill, David SCO Rangers
    Holm, Andrew SCO Queen's Park
    Hunter, John ENG Sheffield Heeley
    Ker, George SCO Queen's Park
    Kinnaird, Arthur SCO Old Etonians
    Lindsay, Joseph SCO Dumbarton
    McNeil, Harry SCO Queen's Park
    Morgan, John WAL Derby Grammar School
    Parry, Edward ENG Old Carthusians
    Prinsep, James ENG Old Carthusians
    Richmond, James SCO Queen's Park
    Rostron, Thurston ENG Darwen
    Smith, John SCO Queen's Park
    Vallance, Tom SCO Rangers
    Watson, Andrew SCO Queen's Park

    By country: Scotland (14), England (8), Wales (1)
    By club: Queen's Park (9), Rangers (3), Old Carthusians (2), Clapham Rovers (1), Old Etonians (1), The Wednesday (1), Swifts (1), Darwen (1), Blackburn Rovers (1), Derby Grammar School (1), Dumbarton (1), Sheffield Heeley (1)


    Top3

    These five player could be arranged in any possible order. Actually, Davidson and Gillespie were mentioned more often in available match reports than the Top3.

    1. Watson, Andrew SCO Queen's Park
    SCO Cup, 2 caps, captain of Scotland against ENG
    2. Ker, George SCO Queen's Park
    SCO Cup, 2 goals against England, and 2 against Wales
    3. Smith, John SCO Queen's Park
    SCO Cup, 2 goals against England, and 2 goals in the Scottish Cup final
    4. Davidson, David SCO Queen's Park
    2 caps, captain of Scotland against WAL
    5. Gillespie, George SCO Rangers
    2 caps

    Team of the Season (2-2-6):
    Gillespie - Watson, T Vallance - C Campbell, Davidson - J Smith, G Ker, H McNeil, R Gregory, Parry, Bambridge.
     
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  6. elegos7

    elegos7 Member

    Jun 28, 2014
    Club:
    Liverpool LFC
    A growing difficulty in the 1880s will be the inclusion of Scottish professionals playing in England in the 23 man shortlist. They were overlooked by the Scottish FA for the national team in this decade.

    However, this season I do not see any worthy candidates among them. Archie Hunter scored a goal for Aston Villa but his team was eliminated before the quarter-finals in the FA Cup. Fergus Suter played for Blackburn Rovers but this team was not impressive in FA Cup either. Perhaps the Darwen side (probably the best team in the north of England this season) still included Scottish professionals, but I have not found any line-up for them.
     
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  7. peterhrt

    peterhrt Member+

    Oct 21, 2015
    Club:
    Leeds United AFC
    The Top 3 looks fine as it stands. Andrew Watson was the first black player in British football.

    Darwen might have fielded one Scot this season. One of their backs is listed on one occasion as McHolden but on another as J Holden.

    The Anglo Scots will need to be judged solely on performance in club football, like Kinnaird and Morten during the previous decade.
     
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  8. elegos7

    elegos7 Member

    Jun 28, 2014
    Club:
    Liverpool LFC
    The final results of this season.

    23 Man Shortlist

    Anderson, William SCO Queen's Park
    Bailey, Norman ENG Clapham Rovers
    Bambridge, Charles ENG Swifts
    Campbell, Charles SCO Queen's Park
    Davidson, David SCO Queen's Park
    Gillespie, George SCO Rangers
    Gregory, R ENG The Wednesday
    Hargreaves, John ENG Blackburn Rovers
    Hill, David SCO Rangers
    Holm, Andrew SCO Queen's Park
    Hunter, John ENG Sheffield Heeley
    Ker, George SCO Queen's Park
    Kinnaird, Arthur SCO Old Etonians
    Lindsay, Joseph SCO Dumbarton
    McNeil, Harry SCO Queen's Park
    Morgan, John WAL Derby Grammar School
    Parry, Edward ENG Old Carthusians
    Prinsep, James ENG Old Carthusians
    Richmond, James SCO Queen's Park
    Rostron, Thurston ENG Darwen
    Smith, John SCO Queen's Park
    Vallance, Tom SCO Rangers
    Watson, Andrew SCO Queen's Park

    By country: Scotland (14), England (8), Wales (1)
    By club: Queen's Park (9), Rangers (3), Old Carthusians (2), Clapham Rovers (1), Old Etonians (1), The Wednesday (1), Swifts (1), Darwen (1), Blackburn Rovers (1), Derby Grammar School (1), Dumbarton (1), Sheffield Heeley (1)


    Top3
    1. Watson, Andrew SCO Queen's Park
    2. Ker, George SCO Queen's Park
    3. Smith, John SCO Queen's Park

    Team of the Season (2-2-6):
    Gillespie - Watson, T Vallance - C Campbell, Davidson - J Smith, G Ker, H McNeil, R Gregory, Parry, Bambridge.
     

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