BigSoccer's Players of the Season: 1879-80

Discussion in 'The Beautiful Game' started by elegos7, Apr 13, 2019.

  1. elegos7

    elegos7 Member

    Jun 28, 2014
    Club:
    Liverpool LFC
    Here are the main matches of the 1879-80 season in chronological order.

    I hope fellow posters can add the missing goalscorers and best players from match reports.

    Scottish Cup 1st round, Dumbarton-Vale of Leven 4-3, 20.9.1879, Dumbarton
    goals: ?
    best players: ?

    Scottish Cup 1st round, Rangers-Queen's Park 0-0, 20.9.1879, Glasgow, Kinning Park
    goals: ?
    best players: ?

    Scottish Cup 1st round replay, Queen's Park- Rangers 5-1, 27.9.1879, Glasgow, Hampden Park, Attendance: 5,000
    goals: Weir, Kay, Ker, Richmond (2)
    best players: ?

    Blackburn Rovers-Rangers 1-4, 25.10.1879, Blackburn
    goals: ?
    best players: ?

    FA Cup 1st round, Nottingham Forest- Notts County 4-0, 8.11.1879, Nottingham
    goals: ?
    best players: ?

    Queen's Park-Notts County 4-1, 15.11.1879, Glasgow, Hampden Park, Attendance: 6,000
    goals: Fraser, Ker, ?, Richmond / scrimmage
    best players: ?
    The first half of the match was played according to the Sheffield rules and the second half by the Scottish rules.

    Vale of Leven- Queen's Park 3-0, 29.11.1879, Alexandria, Attendance: 4,000
    goals: ?
    best players: ?

    FA Cup 2nd round, Blackburn Rovers–Darwen 3-1, 6.12.1879, Blackburn
    goals: ?
    best players: ?

    Vale of Leven- Old Etonians 5-2, 27.12.1879, Glasgow, Hampden Park, Attendance: 800
    goals: ? / Kinnaird, ?
    best players: ?
    Vale of Leven beats beats FA Cup holder Old Etonians on their Northern tour. Wind and rain keeps the crowd down to 800.

    Darwen- Old Etonians 3-1, 1.1.1880, Darwen, Attendance: 8,000
    goals: ?
    best players: ?


    Blackburn Rovers– Vale of Leven 0-4, 2.1.1880, Blackburn
    goals: ?
    best players: ?

    Scottish Cup Semi-final, Queen's Park-Dumbarton 1-0, 17.1.1880, Glasgow, Hampden Park, Attendance: 6,500
    goals: Ker 76’.
    best players:
    The ground was hard due to frost. The match was looked upon as being the one that would virtually settle the destination of the cup.

    FA Cup 3rd round, Old Etonians- Wanderers 3-1, 24.1.1880, The Oval
    goals: ? / Wace
    best players: ?

    FA Cup 3rd round, Nottingham Forest-Blackburn Rovers 6-0, 31.1.1880, Nottingham
    goals: ?
    best players: ?

    Sheffield-Glasgow 0-1, 14.2.1880, Sheffield, Sheaf Grounds, Attendance:
    goals: ?
    best players: ?
    Charles Campbell and Eadie Fraser played for Glasgow. On the same day, the Scotch Team for Canada were in action. William Thomson, William Somers, David Davidson, George Ker and Johnny Kay played there.

    FA Cup 4th round, Nottingham Forest-Sheffield FC 2-2, 19.2.1880, Nottingham
    goals: ?
    best players: ?
    Sheffield is disqualified because they refused to play extra time.

    Scottish Cup Final, Queen's Park-Thornliebank 3-0, 21.2.1880, Glasgow, Cathkin Park, Attendance: 4,000
    goals: Richmond, Ker, Highet.
    best players:
    Underdogs Thornliebank fought determinedly and it took Queen’s Park 35 minutes to go into the lead. Thornliebank were fortunate to escape with only a three goal defeat.

    FA Cup Quarter-final, Clapham Rovers-Old Etonians 1-0, 21.2.1880, The Oval
    goals: Lloyd-Jones
    best players: ?

    SCO-ENG 5-4, 13.3.1880, Glasgow, Hampden Park, Attendance: 12,000
    http://www.englandfootballonline.com/Seas1872-00/1879-80/M0010Sco1880.html
    goals: 1-0 Ker (5), 1-1 Mosforth (8), 2-1 Baird (39), 2-2 Bambridge (42), 3-2 Ker (44), 4-2 Ker (48), 5-2 Kay (70), 5-3 Bambridge (87), 5-4 Sparks (89)
    best players:
    Scottish captain Charles Campbell has his jaw-bone seriously bruised, leaving Scotland with one player short for the last 15 minutes. England scores two goals in the last few minutes, but cannot equalize.

    WAL-ENG 2-3, 15.3.1880, The Racecourse Ground, Wrexham, Attendance: 3,000
    goals: 0-1 (o.g), 0-2 Sparks 50', 0-3 Sparks 70', William Roberts 80', John Roberts 89',
    best players:
    Only 5 English player remain from the team against Scotland. William Brindle had to leave the field halfway through the second half due to a back injury, probably circa 75th minute. England carried on with ten men.

    FA Cup Quarter-final replay, Oxford University– Royal Engineers 1-0, 15.3.1880, The Oval
    goals: ?
    best players: ?

    Lancashire Cup Final, Darwen-Blackburn Rovers 3-1, 20.3.1880, Darwen
    goals: 1-0 Bury, 2-0 Rostron (48 min.), 3.0 Rostron.
    best players: ?
    Darwen, captained by Fergus Suter, defeats Blackburn Rovers 3-1 in the final of the first Lancashire Cup. During the summer Suter moves to local rival Blackburn Rovers.

    Old Etonians–Vale of Leven 1-3, 20.3.1880, The Oval, Attendance: 2,000
    goals: A. Lyttelton / ?
    best players: ?

    SCO-WAL 5-1, 27.3.1880, Glasgow, Hampden Park, Attendance: 2,000
    It looks like a second-best Scottish team. None of them played against England two weeks before.
    goals: 1-0 Davidson (40), 2-0 Beveridge (42), 3-0 Lindsay (50), 4-0 McAdam (55), 5-0 Campbell (60), 5-1 W.Roberts (85)
    best players:

    FA Cup Semi-final, Oxford University–Nottingham Forest 1-0, 27.3.1880, The Oval
    goals: ?
    best players:

    FA Cup Final, Clapham Rovers-Oxford University 1-0, 10.4.1880, The Oval, Attendance: 6,000
    goals: 1-0 Lloyd-Jones 84
    best players: Sparks ?

    Charity Cup 1st round, Queen's Park-Vale of Leven 4-0, 24.4.1880, Glasgow, Hampden Park, Attendance: 5,500
    goals: Ker, Highet, Smith, Kay
    best players:

    Charity Cup final, Queen's Park-Rangers 1-1, 8.5.1880, Glasgow, Hampden Park, Attendance: ?
    goals: Ker / Pringle
    best players:

    Charity Cup final replay, Rangers-Queen's Park 1-2, 12.5.1880, Glasgow, Kinning Park, Attendance: 6,000
    goals: Hill / Davidson, Richmond
    best players:

    Queen's Park- Clapham Rovers 3-2, 15.5.1880, Glasgow, Hampden Park, Attendance: ?
    goals: 1-0 Harry McNeil, 1-1 Ram, 1-2 Cazanove, 2-2 scrimmage, 3-2 Somers
    best players:
    The Scottish and English cup holders met to raise money for Mrs Dick, the mother of the late secretary of the Scottish Football Association. The first half was played under Scottish rules and the second under English rules. Cazanove scored a second for Clapham five minutes into the second half but Queen’s equalised when a William Somers corner kick was forced through goal. Queen’s Park then mounted attack after attack and were rewarded when another expertly-taken Somers corner was forced home.



    The London vs Sheffield matches probably continued this season. Further details about them would be welcome.
     
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  2. peterhrt

    peterhrt Member+

    Oct 21, 2015
    Club:
    Leeds United AFC
    Additions in red. New decade, new colour.


    Scottish Cup 1st round, Dumbarton-Vale of Leven 4-3, 20.9.1879, Dumbarton,
    Attendance 4,000
    goals: ?, ?, scrimmage, Lawrence / ?, McDougall, Ferguson
    best players: ?

    Scottish Cup 1st round, Rangers-Queen's Park 0-0, 20.9.1879, Glasgow, Kinning Park
    goals: ?
    best players: ?

    Scottish Cup 1st round replay, Queen's Park- Rangers 5-1, 27.9.1879, Glasgow, Hampden Park, Attendance: 5,000
    goals: Weir, Kay, Ker, Richmond (2) / Steel
    best players: ?

    Blackburn Rovers-Rangers 1-4, 25.10.1879, Blackburn
    goals: ?
    best players: Avery, J Hargreaves, Latham / Stuart, McIntyre, Dunlop, M McNeil

    FA Cup 1st round, Nottingham Forest- Notts County 4-0, 8.11.1879, Nottingham
    goals: Widdowson 2, AH Smith 2
    best players: Earp, Goodyer / Oliver, Morse

    Queen's Park-Notts County 4-1, 15.11.1879, Glasgow, Hampden Park, Attendance: 6,000
    goals: Fraser, Ker, Highet, Richmond / scrimmage AW Cursham
    best players: Ker, Highet, W MacKinnon / H Jessop
    The first half of the match was played according to the Sheffield rules and the second half by the Scottish rules.

    Sheffield 2 London 2, 22.11.1879
    Goals: P Andrews, Woodcock / Bambridge 2
    Best Players: Bishop, Mosforth, Andrews, Barber, WE Clegg, Buttery / Prinsep, Bastard, Bambridge, JB Hunter, Weldon


    Vale of Leven- Queen's Park 3-0, 29.11.1879, Alexandria, Attendance: 4,000
    goals: ?
    best players: ?

    FA Cup 2nd round, Blackburn Rovers–Darwen 3-1, 6.12.1879, Blackburn
    goals: Brown 2, Hargreaves / E Suter
    best players: ?

    FA Cup 2nd round, Sheffield 3 Sheffield Providence 3, 15.12.1879, Sheffield
    Goals: Matthews, Moss, scrimmage / F Brownhill, og, scrimmage
    Best Players:

    London 4 Sheffield 1, 27.12.1879, The Oval
    Goals: Bambridge, Bailey, Page 2 / Woodcock
    Best Players: Parry, Bastard, Bambridge, Bailey / Mosforth, WE Clegg, J Hunter


    Vale of Leven- Old Etonians 5-2, 27.12.1879, Glasgow, Hampden Park, Attendance: 800
    goals: ?, McGregor, scrimmage, JC Baird, Paton / Kinnaird, Macaulay
    best players: McGregor, JC Baird, McPherson / L Bury, Kinnaird
    Vale of Leven beats beats FA Cup holder Old Etonians on their Northern tour. Wind and rain keeps the crowd down to 800.

    FA Cup 2nd round replay, Sheffield 3 Sheffield Providence 0, 29.12.1879, Bramall Lane
    Goals: AW Cursham, Matthews, Sorby
    Best Players: TH Sorby, M Ellison (gk), Bradbury, Matthews, AW Cursham / Fletcher, Mosforth, Woodcock, Buttery, Ollerenshaw


    Darwen- Old Etonians 3-1, 1.1.1880, Darwen, Attendance: 8,000
    goals: Kirkham, T Bury, Holden / Fowley
    best players: ?

    Blackburn Rovers– Vale of Leven 0-4, 2.1.1880, Blackburn
    goals: McFarlane, JC Baird 2, J Baird
    best players: ?

    Scottish Cup Semi-final, Queen's Park-Dumbarton 1-0, 17.1.1880, Glasgow, Hampden Park, Attendance: 6,500
    goals: Ker 76’.
    best players: Somers, Highet
    The ground was hard due to frost. The match was looked upon as being the one that would virtually settle the destination of the cup.

    FA Cup 3rd round, Old Etonians- Wanderers 3-1, 24.1.1880, The Oval
    goals: Goodhart 2, Sedgwick / Wace
    best players: ?

    FA Cup 3rd round, Nottingham Forest-Blackburn Rovers 6-0, 31.1.1880, Nottingham
    goals: Goodyer 2, Widdowson 2, AH Smith, Turner
    best players: ?

    Sheffield-Glasgow 0-1, 14.2.1880, Sheffield, Sheaf Grounds, Attendance:
    goals: ?
    best players: ?
    Charles Campbell and Eadie Fraser played for Glasgow. On the same day, the Scotch Team for Canada were in action. William Thomson, William Somers, David Davidson, George Ker and Johnny Kay played there.

    FA Cup 4th round, Nottingham Forest-Sheffield FC 2-2, 19.2.1880, Nottingham
    goals: AH Smith, Widdowson / H Barber, scrimmage
    best players: ?
    Sheffield is disqualified because they refused to play extra time.

    Scottish Cup Final, Queen's Park-Thornliebank 3-0, 21.2.1880, Glasgow, Cathkin Park, Attendance: 4,000
    goals: Richmond, Ker, Highet.
    best players:
    Underdogs Thornliebank fought determinedly and it took Queen’s Park 35 minutes to go into the lead. Thornliebank were fortunate to escape with only a three goal defeat.

    FA Cup Quarter-final, Clapham Rovers-Old Etonians 1-0, 21.2.1880, The Oval
    goals: Lloyd-Jones
    best players: ?

    FA Cup Quarter-final, Oxford University– Royal Engineers 1-1, 5.3.1880, The Oval
    Goals: J Lubbock / Massey
    Best Players:


    SCO-ENG 5-4, 13.3.1880, Glasgow, Hampden Park, Attendance: 12,000
    http://www.englandfootballonline.com/Seas1872-00/1879-80/M0010Sco1880.html
    goals: 1-0 Ker (5), 1-1 Mosforth (8), 2-1 Baird (39), 2-2 Bambridge (42), 3-2 Ker (44), 4-2 Ker (48), 5-2 Kay (70), 5-3 Bambridge (87), 5-4 Sparks (89)
    best players:
    Scottish captain Charles Campbell has his jaw-bone seriously bruised, leaving Scotland with one player short for the last 15 minutes. England scores two goals in the last few minutes, but cannot equalize.

    WAL-ENG 2-3, 15.3.1880, The Racecourse Ground, Wrexham, Attendance: 3,000
    goals: 0-1 (o.g), 0-2 Sparks 50', 0-3 Sparks 70', William Roberts 80', John Roberts 89',
    best players:
    Only 5 English player remain from the team against Scotland. William Brindle had to leave the field halfway through the second half due to a back injury, probably circa 75th minute. England carried on with ten men.

    FA Cup Quarter-final replay, Oxford University– Royal Engineers 1-0, 15.3.1880, The Oval
    goals: Childs
    best players: ?

    Lancashire Cup Final, Darwen-Blackburn Rovers 3-1, 20.3.1880, Darwen
    goals: 1-0 Bury, 2-0 Rostron (48 min.), 3.0 Rostron.
    best players: ?
    Darwen, captained by Fergus Suter, defeats Blackburn Rovers 3-1 in the final of the first Lancashire Cup. During the summer Suter moves to local rival Blackburn Rovers.

    Old Etonians–Vale of Leven 1-3, 20.3.1880, The Oval, Attendance: 2,000
    goals: A. Lyttelton / ?
    best players: ?

    SCO-WAL 5-1, 27.3.1880, Glasgow, Hampden Park, Attendance: 2,000
    It looks like a second-best Scottish team. None of them played against England two weeks before.
    goals: 1-0 Davidson (40), 2-0 Beveridge (42), 3-0 Lindsay (50), 4-0 McAdam (55), 5-0 Campbell (60), 5-1 W.Roberts (85)
    best players: H McIntyre, Somers, Lang, Davidson / Morgan

    FA Cup Semi-final, Oxford University–Nottingham Forest 1-0, 27.3.1880, The Oval
    goals: Childs
    best players:

    FA Cup Final, Clapham Rovers-Oxford University 1-0, 10.4.1880, The Oval, Attendance: 6,000
    goals: 1-0 Lloyd-Jones 84
    best players: Lloyd-Jones, Ram, Field, Bailey Sparks, Weston

    Charity Cup 1st round, Queen's Park-Vale of Leven 4-0, 24.4.1880, Glasgow, Hampden Park, Attendance: 5,500
    goals: Ker, Highet, Smith, Kay
    best players:

    Charity Cup final, Queen's Park-Rangers 1-1, 8.5.1880, Glasgow, Hampden Park, Attendance: ?
    goals: Ker / Pringle
    best players:

    Charity Cup final replay, Rangers-Queen's Park 1-2, 12.5.1880, Glasgow, Kinning Park, Attendance: 6,000
    goals: Hill / Davidson, Richmond
    best players:

    Queen's Park- Clapham Rovers 3-2, 15.5.1880, Glasgow, Hampden Park, Attendance: ?
    goals: 1-0 Harry McNeil, 1-1 Ram, 1-2 Cazanove, 2-2 scrimmage, 3-2 Somers
    best players:
    The Scottish and English cup holders met to raise money for Mrs Dick, the mother of the late secretary of the Scottish Football Association. The first half was played under Scottish rules and the second under English rules. Cazanove scored a second for Clapham five minutes into the second half but Queen’s equalised when a William Somers corner kick was forced through goal. Queen’s Park then mounted attack after attack and were rewarded when another expertly-taken Somers corner was forced home.


    Newspaper sources: London Daily News, Morning Post, The Sportsman, Athletic News, Blackburn Standard, Liverpool Mercury, Nottingham Evening Post, Sheffield Daily Telegraph, Sheffield Independent, Glasgow Herald, Greenock Advertiser, The Scotsman.

    Sources are from the British Newspaper Archive, managed by the British Library Board.
     
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  3. peterhrt

    peterhrt Member+

    Oct 21, 2015
    Club:
    Leeds United AFC
    Suggested best XI 1879-80 (2-2-6):

    Swepstone - Neill, Kinnaird - Bailey, C Campbell - J Smith, G Ker, J McGregor, JC Baird, Bambridge, Mosforth.
     
  4. elegos7

    elegos7 Member

    Jun 28, 2014
    Club:
    Liverpool LFC
    Here are my suggestions for the nominees this season.

    23 Man Shortlist


    Bailey, Norman ENG Clapham Rovers
    Baird, John SCO Vale of Leven
    Bambridge, Charles ENG Swifts
    Bastard, Segar ENG Upton Park
    Campbell, Charles SCO Queen's Park
    Cursham, Arthur ENG Notts County/Sheffield FC
    Goodyer, Arthur ENG Nottingham Forest
    Highet, Thomas SCO Queen's Park
    Kay, John SCO Queen's Park
    Ker, George SCO Queen's Park
    Kinnaird, Arthur SCO Old Etonians
    Lloyd-Jones, Clopton ENG Clapham Rovers
    McGregor, John SCO Vale of Leven
    McNeil, Harry SCO Queen's Park
    Mosforth, William ENG Sheffield Albion/Sheffield Providence
    Neill, Robert SCO Queen's Park
    Smith, John SCO Mauchline
    Somers, William SCO Queen's Park
    Sparks, Francis ENG Clapham Rovers
    Suter, Fergus SCO Darwen
    Swepstone, Albemarle ENG Pilgrims
    Widdowson, Samuel ENG Nottingham Forest
    Wollaston, Charles ENG Wanderers

    By country: Scotland (12), England (11)
    By club: Queen's Park (7), Clapham Rovers (3), Vale of Leven (2), Nottingham Forest (2), Old Etonians (1), Sheffield FC (1), Wanderers (1), Mauchline (1), Sheffield Providence (1), Swifts (1), Darwen (1), Pilgrims (1), Upton Park (1)

    Top3

    It is difficult to choose the best players. Any permutation would be possible.

    1. Ker, George SCO Queen's Park
    SCO Cup, scores a hat-trick against England
    2. Mosforth, William ENG Sheffield Albion/Sheffield Providence
    2 caps, a goal against SCO
    3. Bambridge, Charles ENG Swifts
    2 goals against SCO

    Team of the Season (2-2-6):
    Swepstone - Neill, Kinnaird - Bailey, C Campbell - J Smith, G Ker, J McGregor, JC Baird, Bambridge, Mosforth.
     
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  5. peterhrt

    peterhrt Member+

    Oct 21, 2015
    Club:
    Leeds United AFC
    Good list again.

    Another Top 3 candidate is Bailey, though there is not much difference between him and your choices.
     
  6. elegos7

    elegos7 Member

    Jun 28, 2014
    Club:
    Liverpool LFC
    I was thinking about including someone from FA Cup winner Clapham Rovers.
    Bailey, or Sparks could be possible candidates to replace Mosforth or Bambridge.
    Neither of them had good results in the FA Cup. Swifts did not even play a match, and it looks like Mosforth represented Sheffield Providence this season.

    What is your opinion?
     
  7. peterhrt

    peterhrt Member+

    Oct 21, 2015
    Club:
    Leeds United AFC
    Maybe Bailey for Bambridge.
     
  8. elegos7

    elegos7 Member

    Jun 28, 2014
    Club:
    Liverpool LFC
    This season Bambridge was singled out among the best players as often as Mosforth (unfortunately, many important match reports with the best players are missing). But Bambridge scored 5 important goals, whereas Mosforth achieved only 1.

    Maybe we could settle on Ker, Bailey and Bambridge, in this order.
     
  9. peterhrt

    peterhrt Member+

    Oct 21, 2015
    Club:
    Leeds United AFC
    Agreed. Bambridge had a strange shuffling run but was difficult to stop and scored some spectacular goals.
     
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  10. Tom Stevens

    Tom Stevens Member+

    Dec 12, 2012
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    @elegos7 could you post the final list then I can put the results in the other thread.
     
  11. elegos7

    elegos7 Member

    Jun 28, 2014
    Club:
    Liverpool LFC
    Final results of this season.

    23 Man Shortlist

    Bailey, Norman ENG Clapham Rovers
    Baird, John SCO Vale of Leven
    Bambridge, Charles ENG Swifts
    Bastard, Segar ENG Upton Park
    Campbell, Charles SCO Queen's Park
    Cursham, Arthur ENG Notts County/Sheffield FC
    Goodyer, Arthur ENG Nottingham Forest
    Highet, Thomas SCO Queen's Park
    Kay, John SCO Queen's Park
    Ker, George SCO Queen's Park
    Kinnaird, Arthur SCO Old Etonians
    Lloyd-Jones, Clopton ENG Clapham Rovers
    McGregor, John SCO Vale of Leven
    McNeil, Harry SCO Queen's Park
    Mosforth, William ENG Sheffield Albion/Sheffield Providence
    Neill, Robert SCO Queen's Park
    Smith, John SCO Mauchline
    Somers, William SCO Queen's Park
    Sparks, Francis ENG Clapham Rovers
    Suter, Fergus SCO Darwen
    Swepstone, Albemarle ENG Pilgrims
    Widdowson, Samuel ENG Nottingham Forest
    Wollaston, Charles ENG Wanderers

    By country: Scotland (12), England (11)
    By club: Queen's Park (7), Clapham Rovers (3), Vale of Leven (2), Nottingham Forest (2), Old Etonians (1), Sheffield FC (1), Wanderers (1), Mauchline (1), Sheffield Providence (1), Swifts (1), Darwen (1), Pilgrims (1), Upton Park (1)

    Top3

    1. Ker, George SCO Queen's Park
    2. Bailey, Norman ENG Clapham Rovers
    3. Bambridge, Charles ENG Swifts

    Team of the Season (2-2-6):
    Swepstone - Neill, Kinnaird - Bailey, C Campbell - J Smith, G Ker, J McGregor, JC Baird, Bambridge, Mosforth.
     

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