Best Players at 1924 and 1928 Olympics

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  1. schwuppe

    schwuppe Member+

    Sep 17, 2009
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    I like the guy with the white cape (Nasazzi). :thumbsup:

    There's also a video from 1912 on the same channel.


    Huge difference I think... '12 they look completely clueless. maybe it's exaggerated by the style of the video.
    At 3:25 you can see the ref - he's wearing a suit or what is that?
     
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  2. msioux75

    msioux75 Member+

    Jan 8, 2006
    Lima, Peru
    For many contemporary sources, Nasazzi was the Best player of the Final.

    He must ended with a cerebral concussión after so many aerial clearances :D
     
  3. Ariaga II

    Ariaga II Member

    Dec 8, 2018
    Switzerland looks like a Finnish second division side. Once a guy gets a ball, they'll just belt it in blindly. No-nonsense football!

    Uruguay looks to clearly have more skill, but they're not very methodical. A player will just try a shot or pass pretty randomly, without looking for a free man or anything. Looks like English style getting stuck in football, with a lot of energy but not very tactical. With all due respect, of course.


    Damn, that Danish goalie though, from 1:54 mark onward. Does it count as dribbling if the ball is in your hands?
    2:05, where's he coming from? 1912 Neuer! My new hero.
     
  4. Gregoriak

    Gregoriak BigSoccer Supporter

    Feb 27, 2002
    Munich
    Wow the footage is so good it could've been from the 1950s or even early-1960s! Amazing! Most of the scenes are goalmouth action unfortunately so we don't get an idea of the quality of the passing and movement on the pitch. But anyway, that is a stunning video!
     
  5. msioux75

    msioux75 Member+

    Jan 8, 2006
    Lima, Peru
    Swiss seems to being Abegglen + 10 more, at least at offensive phase, it seems that Andrade shut him down.Their defensive trio, also played great. They were rated lower than many OG 1920 teams.

    According the report at page 1, the match wasn't played "scientifically"
     
  6. msioux75

    msioux75 Member+

    Jan 8, 2006
    Lima, Peru
    @DFTB24 here are some reports of the 1920s Olympics games
     
  7. DFTB24

    DFTB24 Member

    Jul 16, 2014
    To continue the nice work by msioux75

    1928 Olympics tournament (Dutch press)

    Preliminary round & First round
    Portugal vs Chile, Belgium vs Luxembourg, Germany vs Switzerland, Egypt vs Turkey
    http://resolver.kb.nl/resolve?urn=ddd:010002560:mpeg21:pdf
    http://resolver.kb.nl/resolve?urn=ddd:010360265:mpeg21:pdf
    http://resolver.kb.nl/resolve?urn=ddd:010360264:mpeg21:pdf
    http://resolver.kb.nl/resolve?urn=ddd:010360263:mpeg21:pdf
    http://resolver.kb.nl/resolve?urn=ddd:010029675:mpeg21:pdf

    Italy vs France, Portugal vs Yugoslavia, Argentina vs United States
    http://resolver.kb.nl/resolve?urn=ddd:010002561:mpeg21:pdf
    http://resolver.kb.nl/resolve?urn=ddd:010360262:mpeg21:pdf
    http://resolver.kb.nl/resolve?urn=ddd:010029677:mpeg21:pdf

    Netherlands vs Uruguay, Spain vs Mexico
    http://resolver.kb.nl/resolve?urn=ddd:010002562:mpeg21:pdf
    http://resolver.kb.nl/resolve?urn=ddd:010360267:mpeg21:pdf
    http://resolver.kb.nl/resolve?urn=ddd:010029678:mpeg21:pdf
    http://resolver.kb.nl/resolve?urn=ddd:010029679:mpeg21:pdf

    Consolation first round
    Netherlands vs Belgium, Chile vs Mexico
    http://resolver.kb.nl/resolve?urn=ddd:010002567:mpeg21:pdf
    http://resolver.kb.nl/resolve?urn=ddd:010360270:mpeg21:pdf

    Consolation final
    Netherlands vs Chile
    http://resolver.kb.nl/resolve?urn=ddd:010002570:mpeg21:pdf
    http://resolver.kb.nl/resolve?urn=ddd:010360277:mpeg21:pdf
    http://resolver.kb.nl/resolve?urn=ddd:010029695:mpeg21:pdf

    Quarter-finals
    Italy vs Spain
    http://resolver.kb.nl/resolve?urn=ddd:010002564:mpeg21:pdf

    Argentina vs Belgium, Uruguay vs Germany
    http://resolver.kb.nl/resolve?urn=ddd:010002565:mpeg21:pdf
    http://resolver.kb.nl/resolve?urn=ddd:010360271:mpeg21:pdf
    http://resolver.kb.nl/resolve?urn=ddd:010360268:mpeg21:pdf
    http://resolver.kb.nl/resolve?urn=ddd:010029685:mpeg21:pdf

    Italy vs Spain (replay), Egypt vs Portugal
    http://resolver.kb.nl/resolve?urn=ddd:010002566:mpeg21:pdf
    http://resolver.kb.nl/resolve?urn=ddd:010029687:mpeg21:pdf

    Semi-finals
    Argentina vs Egypt
    http://resolver.kb.nl/resolve?urn=ddd:010002568:mpeg21:pdf
    http://resolver.kb.nl/resolve?urn=ddd:010360276:mpeg21:pdf
    http://resolver.kb.nl/resolve?urn=ddd:010029691:mpeg21:pdf

    Uruguay vs Italy
    http://resolver.kb.nl/resolve?urn=ddd:010002569:mpeg21:pdf
    http://resolver.kb.nl/resolve?urn=ddd:010360273:mpeg21:pdf
    http://resolver.kb.nl/resolve?urn=ddd:010029693:mpeg21:pdf

    Gold medal match & Bronze medal match
    Uruguay vs Argentina, Italy vs Egypt
    http://resolver.kb.nl/resolve?urn=ddd:010002571:mpeg21:pdf
    http://resolver.kb.nl/resolve?urn=ddd:010360274:mpeg21:pdf
    http://resolver.kb.nl/resolve?urn=ddd:010360272:mpeg21:pdf
    http://resolver.kb.nl/resolve?urn=ddd:010029697:mpeg21:pdf

    Final Replay
    Uruguay vs Argentina
    http://resolver.kb.nl/resolve?urn=ddd:010002574:mpeg21:pdf
    http://resolver.kb.nl/resolve?urn=ddd:010360279:mpeg21:pdf
    http://resolver.kb.nl/resolve?urn=ddd:010360280:mpeg21:pdf
    http://resolver.kb.nl/resolve?urn=ddd:010029703:mpeg21:pdf
     
  8. DFTB24

    DFTB24 Member

    Jul 16, 2014
    @msioux75

    Never seen this before, you did an excellent job of covering the 1924 Olympics tournament.
     
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  9. msioux75

    msioux75 Member+

    Jan 8, 2006
    Lima, Peru
    Nice,
    Can someone translate the most important matches?
     
  10. DFTB24

    DFTB24 Member

    Jul 16, 2014
    1924 Olympics tournament

    First round
    Switzerland vs Lithuania, Italy vs Spain, Czechoslovakia vs Turkey, United States vs Estonia
    http://resolver.kb.nl/resolve?urn=ddd:010001344:mpeg21:pdf
    http://resolver.kb.nl/resolve?urn=ddd:010027217:mpeg21:pdf

    Uruguay vs Yugoslavia, Hungary vs Poland
    http://resolver.kb.nl/resolve?urn=ddd:010001345:mpeg21:pdf
    http://resolver.kb.nl/resolve?urn=ddd:010027219:mpeg21:pdf
    http://resolver.kb.nl/resolve?urn=ddd:010027218:mpeg21:pdf
    http://resolver.kb.nl/resolve?urn=ddd:010009102:mpeg21:pdf
    http://resolver.kb.nl/resolve?urn=ddd:010884053:mpeg21:pdf

    Second round
    Ireland vs Bulgaria, Switzerland vs Czechoslovakia, Sweden vs Belgium, Italy vs Luxembourg, Uruguay vs United States, Egypt vs Hungary
    http://resolver.kb.nl/resolve?urn=ddd:010001347:mpeg21:pdf
    http://resolver.kb.nl/resolve?urn=ddd:010027222:mpeg21:pdf
    http://resolver.kb.nl/resolve?urn=ddd:010027223:mpeg21:pdf
    http://resolver.kb.nl/resolve?urn=ddd:010009104:mpeg21:pdf
    http://resolver.kb.nl/resolve?urn=ddd:010884054:mpeg21:pdf

    Netherlands vs Romania, France vs Latvia
    http://resolver.kb.nl/resolve?urn=ddd:010001346:mpeg21:pdf
    http://resolver.kb.nl/resolve?urn=ddd:010027221:mpeg21:pdf
    http://resolver.kb.nl/resolve?urn=ddd:010027220:mpeg21:pdf
    http://resolver.kb.nl/resolve?urn=ddd:010009101:mpeg21:pdf

    Switzerland vs Czechoslovakia (replay)
    http://resolver.kb.nl/resolve?urn=ddd:010027224:mpeg21:pdf

    Quarter-finals
    Uruguay vs France, Sweden vs Egypt
    http://resolver.kb.nl/resolve?urn=ddd:010027227:mpeg21:pdf

    Netherlands vs Ireland, Switzerland vs Italy
    http://resolver.kb.nl/resolve?urn=ddd:010001350:mpeg21:pdf
    http://resolver.kb.nl/resolve?urn=ddd:010027228:mpeg21:pdf

    Semi-finals
    Switzerland vs Sweden
    http://resolver.kb.nl/resolve?urn=ddd:010027234:mpeg21:pdf
    http://resolver.kb.nl/resolve?urn=ddd:010027235:mpeg21:pdf
    http://resolver.kb.nl/resolve?urn=ddd:010009115:mpeg21:pdf
    http://resolver.kb.nl/resolve?urn=ddd:010009116:mpeg21:pdf

    Uruguay vs Netherlands
    http://resolver.kb.nl/resolve?urn=ddd:010001354:mpeg21:pdf
    http://resolver.kb.nl/resolve?urn=ddd:010027236:mpeg21:pdf
    http://resolver.kb.nl/resolve?urn=ddd:010027237:mpeg21:pdf
    http://resolver.kb.nl/resolve?urn=ddd:010009117:mpeg21:pdf

    Gold medal match & Bronze medal match
    Sweden vs Netherlands, Sweden vs Netherlands (replay), Uruguay vs Switzerland
    http://resolver.kb.nl/resolve?urn=ddd:010001355:mpeg21:pdf
    http://resolver.kb.nl/resolve?urn=ddd:010027239:mpeg21:pdf
    http://resolver.kb.nl/resolve?urn=ddd:010027240:mpeg21:pdf
    http://resolver.kb.nl/resolve?urn=ddd:010009120:mpeg21:pdf
     
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  11. DFTB24

    DFTB24 Member

    Jul 16, 2014
    1920 Olympics tournament

    First round
    Czechoslovakia vs Yugoslavia, Spain vs Denmark, Italy vs Egypt, Norway vs Great Britain, Netherlands vs Luxembourg, Sweden vs Greece
    http://resolver.kb.nl/resolve?urn=ddd:010025022:mpeg21:pdf
    http://resolver.kb.nl/resolve?urn=ddd:010006785:mpeg21:pdf

    Consolation tournament
    Egypt vs Yugoslavia
    http://resolver.kb.nl/resolve?urn=ddd:010025031:mpeg21:pdf

    Quarter-finals
    Netherlands vs Sweden, Czechoslovakia vs Norway, France vs Italy, Belgium vs Spain
    http://resolver.kb.nl/resolve?urn=ddd:010000231:mpeg21:pdf
    http://resolver.kb.nl/resolve?urn=ddd:010025023:mpeg21:pdf
    http://resolver.kb.nl/resolve?urn=ddd:010006786:mpeg21:pdf

    Silver and bronze medal tournament
    Italy vs Norway, Spain vs Sweden
    http://resolver.kb.nl/resolve?urn=ddd:010025025:mpeg21:pdf
    http://resolver.kb.nl/resolve?urn=ddd:010000234:mpeg21:pdf

    Semi-finals
    Belgium vs Netherlands, Czechoslovakia vs France
    http://resolver.kb.nl/resolve?urn=ddd:010000233:mpeg21:pdf
    http://resolver.kb.nl/resolve?urn=ddd:010025026:mpeg21:pdf
    http://resolver.kb.nl/resolve?urn=ddd:010006790:mpeg21:pdf

    Silver and bronze medal match
    Spain vs Netherlands
    http://resolver.kb.nl/resolve?urn=ddd:010025035:mpeg21:pdf

    Gold medal match & Silver and bronze medal tournament
    Belgium vs Czechoslovakia, Spain vs Italy
    http://resolver.kb.nl/resolve?urn=ddd:010000235:mpeg21:pdf
    http://resolver.kb.nl/resolve?urn=ddd:010025029:mpeg21:pdf
     
  12. DFTB24

    DFTB24 Member

    Jul 16, 2014
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    Jul 16, 2014
  14. msioux75

    msioux75 Member+

    Jan 8, 2006
    Lima, Peru
  15. msioux75

    msioux75 Member+

    Jan 8, 2006
    Lima, Peru
    Some nice goals from ARG 6:3 BEL at OG 1928
    ARG: Bossio - Bidoglio, Paternoster - Medice, Monti, Orlandini - Caricaberry, Tarasconi, Ferreyra(cap), Cherro, Orsi.
    BEL: De Bie - Ruyssevelt, Hoydonckx - P.Braine, Van Halme(c), Boesman - Devos, Despae, R.Braine, Moeschal, Diddens.

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  16. msioux75

    msioux75 Member+

    Jan 8, 2006
    Lima, Peru
    OG 1928 Final.
    Uruguay 2 (Figueroa, Scarone)
    Argentina 1 (Monti)
    URU: Mazzali - Nasazzi(cap), Arispe - Andrade, Piriz, Gestido - Arremon, Scarone, Borjas, Cea, Figueroa.
    ARG: Bossio - Bidoglio, Paternoster - Medici, Monti, J.Evaristo - Caricaberry, Tarasconi, Ferreyra(cap), Perducca, Orsi



    Some actions on Mazzali, Nasazzi, Andrade, Cea, Bossio, J.Evaristo (white cap)
     
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  17. msioux75

    msioux75 Member+

    Jan 8, 2006
    Lima, Peru
    Uruguay 2 (Scarone, Urdinaran)
    Holland 0
    URU: Mazzali - Nasazzi(cap), Arispe - Andrade, Fernandez, Gestido - S.Urdinaran, Scarone, Borjas, Cea, Arremon.
    HOL: van der Meulen - Denis(c), van Kol - van Boxtel, Massy, van Heel - Elfring, Wout Buitenweg, Freese, Ghering, Weber.



    Some nice panoramic views to see how players played in the old 2-3-5 formation. Also, the halfbacks tracking back for their channels when in defensive phase.
     
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  18. peterhrt

    peterhrt Member+

    Oct 21, 2015
    Club:
    Leeds United AFC
    Only one player, Andrade, is the same as in the Austrian selection of the time. Both teams have him playing out of position at left-half.

    Linguasport were established in 1996. Is theirs a retrospective selection or have they used contemporary sources?
     
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  19. peterhrt

    peterhrt Member+

    Oct 21, 2015
    Club:
    Leeds United AFC
    Linguasport have selected a team of the tournament for each official Olympic edition, as well as the best player.

    They say their main source is FIFA technical reports. The FIFA technical report for 2008 suggests the best players were Riquelme, Messi and Di Maria. But Riquelme is not in the team of the tournament.

    In 1964 Novak of Hungary is nominated by Linguasport as best player but is not in their team of the tournament.
     
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  20. peterhrt

    peterhrt Member+

    Oct 21, 2015
    Club:
    Leeds United AFC
    #46 peterhrt, Dec 8, 2021
    Last edited: Dec 8, 2021
    Linguasport's team of this tournament has only three names in common with those chosen by the three contemporary newspapers: Petrone, Abegglen and Kock.

    Linguasport choose four Swiss, three Swedes, three Uruguayans and a Dutchman.

    They exclude Andrade from their team and name Petrone as best player. Shades of Eric Batty leaving Maradona out of his World XI for 1986 !
     
  21. Titanlux

    Titanlux Member+

    Barcelona
    Spain
    Nov 27, 2017
    Interestingly, just today, before reading these posts I had browsed linguasport, finding interesting databases. Like you, I saw the 1928 ideal team. I contacted the person in charge of the site asking him about the source he used, as I found certainly strange the absence of players that historically have been shown the best of this event like Orsi, Scarone and Nasazzi. Maybe he will give me an answer.
     
  22. peterhrt

    peterhrt Member+

    Oct 21, 2015
    Club:
    Leeds United AFC
    For reference, here is a comparison between Linguasport's team of the tournament for Euro 2020 and UEFA's. UEFA used sixteen technical observers as selectors, including managers Capello, Domergue and Moyes.

    UEFA XI

    Donnarumma - Walker, Bonucci, Maguire, Spinazzola - Hojbjerg, Jorginho, Pedri - Chiesa, Lukaku, Sterling.

    Linguasport XI

    Sommer - Dumfries, Bonucci, Chiellini, Shaw - Chiesa, Busquets, Maehle - Insigne, Kane, C Ronaldo.

    Bizarrely, Linguasport name goalkeeper Donnarumma as best player but do not pick him in their best XI.

    Only Bonucci and Chiesa appear in both teams, with Linguasport playing the latter out of position in midfield.
     
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  23. Titanlux

    Titanlux Member+

    Barcelona
    Spain
    Nov 27, 2017
    I have exchanged some mails with the editor of the linguasport site and he asks me to put the following in this thread:


    Hi everyone

    I’m the editor of Linguasport. First of all, thanks for visiting my website (and I know for a fact it’s for the contents, not for the design or multimedia… J). It seems there has been some discussion regarding the best XIs I selected in the different international competitions, and I’d like to make some clarifications:


    1) The selection of best XI is by no means official, but made by myself according to the players’ performance during the tournament, based on newspapers reports (before 1984) and my own personal opinion (after 1984).

    2) “Best IX” doesn’t mean “best eleven players” in the competition, but a pick of one player per position. Therefore, many outstanding players in a tournament had to be left out, as their position was already filled.



    Bizarrely, Linguasport name goalkeeper Donnarumma as best player but do not pick him in their best XI.


    3) It’s not bizarre at all, as the Best Player in Euro 2020 was an official award by UEFA, but in my opinion Sommer had a more regular and solid performance throughout all the games in the tournament, not only the final. Unfortunately, we all know how this MVP award works: as long as you score the winning goal in the final, no matter how you fared before, you will be named MVP...


    4) Also, points #1, #2 and #3 might be the reason for other discrepancies you might find between the best XIs in Linguasport and other official sources (or even within different selections in Linguasport, made with different criteria and at different points in time).
     
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  24. peterhrt

    peterhrt Member+

    Oct 21, 2015
    Club:
    Leeds United AFC
    Thanks for investigating and thanks to the website editor for the clarification.

    The site contains a lot of valuable data and will be a good source for researchers.

    If I might make a suggestion, it would be useful to explain on the website who has selected the best player and best XI of each tournament. As they are on the same page the assumption will otherwise be that both are from the same source.

    There is nothing wrong with going against the official line (UEFA etc), but it is important for researchers to know where this has occurred, not least so that credit can be attributed to the site for its own selections.
     

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