Best 11 Right Now

Discussion in 'USA Men: News & Analysis' started by LuckofLichaj, Oct 19, 2018.

  1. LuckofLichaj

    LuckofLichaj Member

    Mar 9, 2012
    Granting full health to McKennie, Adams and Pulisic:

    Sargent
    Wood—Pulisic—Weah
    McKennie—Adams
    Lichaj—Brooks—Miazga—Cannon

    Not something I want to see in four or even two years, but if I had to get a result, this is who I’m rolling with. Our lack of a quality technical “8” (really hoping Keaton Parks becomes something or Delgado ups his game) pushes Pulisic to the middle and our lack of quality wing play puts the high work-rate of Wood out there. Not sure yet who plays deeper- McKennie or Adams. Fullback is a complete mess. I would love to play Durkin as a technical “6” behind the pac-man combo of Adams and McKennie but he’s not close to being there yet and there hasn’t been much indication he ever will be. Yedlin needs to be beaten out. Please.
     
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  2. IndividualEleven

    Mar 16, 2006
    ----------------------Sargent---
    -----Pulisic-----Weston-------Delgado-----------
    ---------------------------Williams-----------------Yedlin---
    Robinson---------------------------------------
    -----------------Miazga-----------CCV------Adams
    ---------------------------Guzan------

    Why 4141? Going back to the WC'14 match against Portugal, it has been a more successful formation than one might suspect.

    Player:::Role:: Depth/Competition
    Sargent:::lone striker:::Wood, Sapong, Dwyer, Nova
    Pulisic:::trigger man-LWF:::Amon, Picault, Gooch, Altidore, Baird
    Delgado:::advanced creative hub:::Nagbe, Nguyen, Roldan, Arriola
    McKennie:::Super-8:::Adams, Morales, Acosta, Roldan
    Williams:::deep-lying mid:::Adams, Canouse, Trapp, Durkin
    Yedlin::::RWB::::Adams, Arriola, Picault, Lima
    Adams:::RB:::Cannon, Lima, Rosenberry
    Miazga, CCV::::CB::::Brooks, Parker, Alvarado, Trusty, McKenzie
    Opara
    Robinson::::LB::::????--Lima, Cannon, Bello
     
  3. LuckofLichaj

    LuckofLichaj Member

    Mar 9, 2012
    I have to admit that it’s a pretty bad lineup for possession in the midfield, but we just don’t have playable possession-oriented mids right now. Parks and Durkin are the long-shot hopes imo
     
  4. nowherenova

    nowherenova Member+

    Jul 20, 2003
    Formerly Terminus
    Don't rule out Mihailovic just yet...
     
  5. IndividualEleven

    Mar 16, 2006
    #5 IndividualEleven, Oct 19, 2018
    Last edited: Oct 19, 2018
    Why 343? The team's best match of the Hex, when considering the circumstances, came when using the formation. Yedlin's starting position would be wider and much deeper than Pulisic's. Not sure on Alvarado, but he's left-footed, has been playing well, and is extremely fast.

    ----------Pulisic-----Sargent-----Yedlin----
    ---Picault----Williams----McKennie----Adams--
    -----------Alvarado---Miazga----Parker----
    --------------------------Guzan
     
  6. thedukeofsoccer

    thedukeofsoccer Member+

    Jul 11, 2004
    Youtube: Jimmy Dore, Secular Talk
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    [​IMG]
     
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  7. thedukeofsoccer

    thedukeofsoccer Member+

    Jul 11, 2004
    Youtube: Jimmy Dore, Secular Talk
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    451, or some variation, has failed a lot more than it's worked against opponents with a pulse. That's because we have a tough time playing out of the back under control, and our half-assed presses haven't gotten home, so the striker up top has gotten isolated.

    If it's going to be more of an organized-counter tactic might as well employ 2 fw's. In a perfect world we get a 3rd attacker up the middle to break w/ efficiency. The 442 diamond or 352 have been quite effective formations for the national team recently. When it hasn't worked like against Mexico in the Confed Cup playoff or at T&T it's because the personnel was old, gimpy, poor, and misfit. Got some brilliant results though like at home v. Honduras and Panama, plus at Mexico.
     
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  8. IndividualEleven

    Mar 16, 2006
    :D It's just a nominal wing position. Tactically, Yedlin wouldn't be a wing-forward. The idea is to provide Pulisic more freedom to play forward.

    Strategically, the second formation is all about team speed.
     
  9. thedukeofsoccer

    thedukeofsoccer Member+

    Jul 11, 2004
    Youtube: Jimmy Dore, Secular Talk
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Against this faceless opponent the U.S. better be playing super deep for him to dribble straight forward for a while. And still he lacks passing vision to hit the whole 1 attacker ahead of him who'll be 1 on 2.

    In a press he's going to have to make decisions very quickly in tight spaces up that high. Mee of little faith. Yedlin at wing at Guatemala still conjures up nightmares.
     
  10. thedukeofsoccer

    thedukeofsoccer Member+

    Jul 11, 2004
    Youtube: Jimmy Dore, Secular Talk
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    But this is a tough exercise considering the U.S. is still very much in fact-finding mode right now, and Sarachan has done a mediocre job in this department.

    -------Weah---Sargent--
    ------------Pulisic----------
    ------Adams----Roldan------
    Cannon---McKennie--Yedlin
    -------Parker---Miazga--------
    -----------Steffen-----------------

    That's probably what I'd do against the average opponent. It's taking some leaps of faith. So the U.S. needs to keep going down this path for a while, possibly thru the Gold Cup. Or at least half an attempt to win, half experiment, like Germany in Confed Cup. And we saw how well that worked out for them. :D Problems there were more about cockiness, uncharacteristically poor tactics from Low, and still relying on too many of the holdovers.
     
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  11. MPNumber9

    MPNumber9 Member+

    Oct 10, 2010
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Is Yedlin's ball conduction good? He's fast and he can cross, but is he actually good running with the ball over distance?

    Williams is the only classic destroyer in the pool, so I can see why we've been looking at formations that don't really have that role.
     
  12. Excellency

    Excellency Member+

    Nov 4, 2011
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Durkin's passing is improving but the character of it at youth level was that
    a) he has a very powerful leg
    b) his long aerial passes are beauts
    c) his passing on the ground is 'hesitant' and too often breaks wind.

    He should be good when the vision kicks in after 1000's of reps. He should be developed like Roldan who now scores goals for Seattle, something that was never achieved for Delgado at Toronto altho Delgado's final third passing is much improved and actually quite good, on the ground, anyway.. Durkin in the final third would be dicey at this stage Right now they cant really develop him for the final third but let's hope Olsen gets on it next year.
     
  13. Excellency

    Excellency Member+

    Nov 4, 2011
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    I don't know anything about Picault. He looked a little frail. Why didn't they want him in Europe?
     
  14. bharreld

    bharreld Member

    Jan 26, 2008
    Westlake, OH
    [​IMG]
    Notes:
    -I may be a little high on Sargent, but to my eye, he looks like our best striker
    -I’m not a big Yedlin guy. I’ve never been impressed with him technically or tactically. I think Cannon could pass him soon.
    -I would love a creative midfielder to put in there in place of Delgado/Acosta, but I just don’t think we have one.

    Edit: Why doesn’t the picture insert function work?

    ..............Sargent.............
    ....McKennie...Delgado...
    ..............Adams..............
    Robinson...Brooks...Miazga...Yedlin
    ............Steffen............
     
  15. IndividualEleven

    Mar 16, 2006
    He was a forward in B2. His scoring record was actually pretty decent.
     
  16. IndividualEleven

    Mar 16, 2006
    Why 4231? This was very successful formation for the US in the '14 Cycle's Hex.

    -----------------------Sargent----------------
    ----Picault---------Pulisic----Arriola----
    ---------------Adams----McKennie---------
    --Robinson------------------------------Yedlin-----
    ----------------Miazga------CCV--------
    ------------------------Guzan-----

    Picault would stay wide while Arriola would look to combine inside.
     
  17. IndividualEleven

    Mar 16, 2006
    no.
     
  18. ussoccer97531

    ussoccer97531 Member+

    Oct 12, 2012
    Club:
    --other--
    3-4-3

    Steffen
    EPB-Brooks-Glad
    Adams-Trapp-McKennie-?
    Pulisic-?-?

    LB/LWB is hard to figure out. The attack outside of Pulisic is hard to figure out, as well.
     
  19. Eighteen Alpha

    Eighteen Alpha Member+

    Aug 17, 2016
    Club:
    Stoke City FC
    Rumors were that he had serious personal issues with managers and or teammates. I have no idea if he was the problem or they were. He was "free to leave" his last club.
     
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  20. adam tash

    adam tash Member+

    Jul 12, 2013
    Altidore, Chandler, Pulisic adams mckennie all recently injured or currently injured....

    that said if everyone's healthy:

    ----------------------wood------altidore---------------------------
    weah-------------------nguyen-----------------------pulisic
    --------------------------mckennie------------------------------
    fabj-------------brooks---------miazga-----------adams
    ---------------------------steffen----------------------------

    nguyen's spot was hard to fill - no one in MLS in the top 30 in assists that's US eligible!!!

    also dont think weah is best on the wing but there arent a whole lot of great options there either.

    wanted to find a spot for lletget but think nguyen would be better passing to the attackers.

    yedlin cannon are good but i wanted to get adams out there - so right back it is.

    lastly wanted to go 2 strikers cuz the 1 forward formations have been pretty weak.

    not sure whats up with fabj but i think he is still the best left back out there...if not him then try someone else maybe villafana - not a lot of good options there either.
     
  21. Excellency

    Excellency Member+

    Nov 4, 2011
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Not my pick but perfectly defensible apart from Picault.

    I would continue building like this

    --------------------Sargent
    --------------Wes---------Pulisic
    --------Adams----Trapp----Delgado
    ---Parker---Brooks---Miazga---Cannon
    -----------------GK: Steffen

    Sub 65' Weah for Delgado.

    Weah: Diagonal movement/lead line (morris' doppelganger):eek:
    Sargent: link up:cool:
    Pulisic: width:thumbsup:
    Wes: 10, loose balls:ninja:.
    Trapp: knit the defense together:geek:
    Delgado: cover Trapp on defense, move ball thru mid on offense:sneaky:
    Adams: wild card:devilish:
    Parker: recoup reputation of USA's left side, aerial game and baby sit Brooks:)
    Brooks-Miazga: Passing out of back:whistling:
     
  22. SpencerNY

    SpencerNY Member+

    Dec 1, 2001
    Up in the skyway
    Good grief with some of these lineups. We want to miss more WC’s apparently.
     
  23. IndividualEleven

    Mar 16, 2006
  24. largegarlic

    largegarlic Member+

    Jul 2, 2007
    I had this thought watching the morning Bundesliga games. Against better opponents go with a 3-5-2 that looks something like this:

    --------------FWD------------------
    --------------------Pulisic----------
    Robinson---McKennie----Yedlin
    ------------Adams----CM----------
    -----CB----Brooks-----Miazga---
    --------------Steffen-----------------

    --This hopefully alleviates the worries about Robinson's defensive shortcomings, while still making use of his pace and crossing going forward.
    --The CB role could be filled by CCV, Parker, Long, etc., or the positioning of the 3 CBs could be changed around. I think we have a competent 3rd CB, but I'm not sure who would be my pick for that at the moment.
    --Let Pulisic be a 2nd forward who has freedom to drift to find space--centrally or out wide.
    --Let McKennie be the forward-most CM, allowing him to get onto crosses in the box, something he seems to be good at. Adams and one of the other contenders (Canouse, Trapp, Delgado, Acosta, etc.) can hold down the fort behind him.
    --No idea who the best forward is right now. Hopefully, Sargent starts playing regularly with the Werder 1st team in the 2nd half of the season and locks this down.

    Then against weaker teams, we can move to more of a 3-4-3, putting in Weah as a winger in place of one of the CMs.
     
  25. DHC1

    DHC1 Member+

    Jun 3, 2002
    NYC
    This squad gets overrun by any top 20 team. There’s nowhere near enough defense.
     

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