Ben Lederman at Raków Częstochowa (Poland)

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  1. BostonRed

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    Oct 9, 2011
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    Depends. In some ways, it's all semantics. From reading a bit on the process, it's probably not the right word, but usually it doesn't have any real impact. For FIFA, it would only matter if he wanted to represent Poland at some point.
     
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  2. deejay

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    Feb 14, 2000
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    It's the term that the USCIS uses when discussing children of US citizens born abroad so I believe it's correct.
     
  3. BostonRed

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    Oct 9, 2011
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    It's true they do, though it isn't necessarily the common usage. We usually bristle at the suggestion that the US's German-Americans, for example, are "naturalized." Normally, we use it the term indicate that someone who did not have a right to citizenship without taking some action beyond simply filling out a form requested citizenship.

    We mostly associate naturalized US citizens having to go through the application process, background check, testing and oath of allegiance.

    It's semantics, but almost any child of a US citizen born abroad is technically "naturalized."
     
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  4. mattjo

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    Feb 3, 2001
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    Actually, it depends on the situation, if the parents have spent a certain period of time physically living in the U.S., and when the child was born to determine which laws are relevant, but a child born in wedlock to a U.S. citizen at birth is almost always automatically a Citizen at birth and thus not naturalized. It also applies for children born out of wedlock if certain conditions are met. If you are a citizen at birth, you are not naturalized. You were automatically a citizen at birth.

    https://travel.state.gov/content/tr...s-policies/citizenship-child-born-abroad.html
     
  5. Eighteen Alpha

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    Three of my kids have Consular Reports of Birth Abroad as their birth certificates. Like John McCain, they would be qualified to run for president (although only the youngest would even have a snowball's chance in hell of winning :)).
     
  6. bct81

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    moving around the US every few years ....
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    I wish Tuchel would bring him to Dortmund.
     
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    Jan 24, 2015
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    Is this a meme?
     
  8. Eighteen Alpha

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    Yeah, who needs La Masia? ;)
     
  9. ttrevett

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    Apr 2, 2002
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    Place is overrated. :whistling:
     
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  10. Midas Mulligan

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    Obviously, you didn't order the paella.
     
  11. Jazzy Altidore

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    I never liked Paella. Let me tell you, Spanish food generally, not so great.
     
  12. Eighteen Alpha

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    Could not disagree more. And I will shed a tear tonight for the thought that you have missed out on the best in life. :(
     
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  13. Bruce S

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    Sep 10, 1999
    Oh NO! Who doesn't like paella? You must try it again, you must have had a bad one.
     
  14. BostonRed

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  15. Eighteen Alpha

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    Aug 17, 2016
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    The above was a friendly with a mix of Juvenil A and B players. Lederman started on the bench and came on in the second half. It was his first action with Barça since his return.

    Today Juvenil B played (0 - 3 win over Espanyol) and Ben didn't feature. I'm not sure if he is regaining match fitness, playing up with Juvenil A, or something else. Juvenil A also played today (another 3 - 0 win) and Lederman did not feature as a starter or sub in that one either. Unfotunately, Masia match reports don't list unused subs.
     
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  16. ChuckMe92

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  17. AutoPenalti

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    Sep 26, 2011
    Coconut Creek
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    United States
    Any update on this guy?
     
  18. Eighteen Alpha

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    Aug 17, 2016
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    Ben was a '79 minute sub in a 2 - 2 draw with Lleida Esportiu for Juvenil B. This is the first account I have seen of him playing in a competitive match since his return to Barcelona, although it is possible I have missed something.
     
  19. Eighteen Alpha

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    Was a 58 minute sub as Barça beat Josep Mª Gené 7 - 0.
     
  20. Eighteen Alpha

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    And next up for his Juvenil B is participation in the Mediterranean International Cup 11 - 16 April. Barça is in Group E with Weston FC.
     
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  21. Eighteen Alpha

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    Ben was a 82 min sub in a 1 - 1 draw with Gimnástic de Tarragona. Barça scred the equalizer in the 89th minute.
     
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  23. kingshark

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    Is this Ben Lederman's first goal after he re-join Juvenil B?
     
  24. Eighteen Alpha

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    It has to be. Good find!
     
  25. Eighteen Alpha

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    Here's the write up from the referenced match.

    UE Figueres – Juvenil B: Victoria para acariciar el título (0-1)

    Los azulgrana consiguen los tres puntos que dejan la Liga a tocar gracias a un gol de Ben Lederman en el último minuto

    snip:
    Los azulgrana han sido los protagonistas de los primeros 45 minutos. Sin generar ocasiones de peligro, sólo ha faltado culminar las jugadas y materializar las ocasiones de gol. Los jugadores del Juvenil B no han desistido en ningún momento y han sido fieles a su estilo con la intención de plasmar la superioridad a través del balón y del juego colectivo. De este modo, tras la reanudación, el Barça ha tenido el monopolio del partido y el gol era cuestión de tiempo. Los minutos pasaban y el marcador no se movía, pero la magia del fútbol junto con la calidad de 'killer' de Ben, han aparecido en el último minuto de juego para avanzar a los azulgrana en el marcador

    The azulgrana were the protagonists of the first 45 minutes. Without creating dangerous situations, all that lacked was finishing plays and scoring chances. The players of Juvenil B did not give up at any time and were faithful to the style of superior possession and team play. After the half, Barça continued it's monopoly of the ball and a goal was just a matter of time. The minutes passed and the marker did not move, but the magic of football along with the 'killer' quality of Ben, appeared in the last minute of play to advance the azulgrana on the scoreboard.

    La Ficha
    UE Figueres, 0
    Juvenil B, 1

    UE Figueres: Diaz, Compte (Riascos, min 78), Vilalta, Bagué, Barry, Àngel (Bruno, min 61), Genis, Tibau (Muñoz, min 74), Mercader, Chavarria y Max Serra.
    Juvenil B: Adrià, Sánchez, Comas, Marcos, Joan Rojas (Mihaylov, min 69), Enric Martínez, Pau Martínez (De Vega, min 69), Puig (Ben, min 78), Juan Fernández, Martí Vilà y Delgado (Edgar Fernández, min 63).
    Goles: 0-1 Ben Lederman, min 90.
    Árbitro: Ruben Mancera Anton. Ha amonestado los locales Chavarria, Àngel, Mercader y Muñoz, y los visitantes Vilà, Joan Rojas y Sánchez.
     

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