Rumor: Because "It" (the rumors/gossip that is) just does not stop... - winter transfer thread

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  1. MizzouMUFC

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    Salah at RW for us would fail miserably. He's not a dribbler or creator. He's a pact wing forward that can finish. We don't have a good enough counter attack or enough creators to set him up with scoring chances. He would be a disaster in our slow build up.
     
  2. Naboomagnoli

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    Our slow build up is because of the state of our right hand side. If we had a player out on that flank with pace and a real goal threat then we’d be far more balanced, purposeful and threatening.

    We’d still need a creative presence in the 10 slot. But that’s true now anyway, and 10s are far easier to come by. Again, our slow buildup is because we don’t have the means to be fast if we wanted to.
     
  3. Ashur

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    Precisely. Salah has already proved himself to be very adaptable, with his Pool role completely different from what it was with Roma last season. His assist total (where he finished well in double digits in that dept) there is proof of that.
    And he's a player who would able us to stretch the pitch vertically and provide a genuine threat on the right, which at the moment is almost non existent.
     
  4. MizzouMUFC

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    There is a fundamental misunderstanding of how Salah plays here. If you think he would work in Jose's system you are wrong.

    He's not a guy that is good with defenders in front of him. He's good on counters with open field. He's a worse dribbler than our current wing options and defensively he's not existent which doesn't fly in a Jose system from a winger.
     
  5. Rooney20

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  6. Ashur

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    #231 Ashur, Nov 26, 2017
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    The misunderstanding is yours in the fact that you only see him thru one lens. He does thrive greatly in open space, primarily because of his tremendous pace, there's no denying that. But conversely he can offer more and his game is more deeply layered than you would have us believe. The development and growth in his game since he first was at Chelsea, showed as much.
    Have no problems admitting also that his defensive work is not his strong point and probably was a factor in Jose discarding him the way he did. But this does not change the original point of this discussion that Salah allegedly is not a winger/wide player (and a competent one at that), which is simply not true...
     
  7. MizzouMUFC

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    You're completely wrong but there's no use discussing it further. Agree to disagree.
     
  8. Ashur

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    #233 Ashur, Nov 26, 2017
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  9. benni...

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    Were just gonna keep buying average to shit players on the grounds that their Prem proven?

    (Yeah syed, i know i know)
     
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  10. gatekeeper2

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    On the question of Salah I wouldn't have him at United. But he's a good fit for Liverpool.

    As for Rose, I'd instead stick it out with Young/Blind/Darmian through the end of the season and see what Shaw can do at Newcastle, assuming that actually happens.

    Forget Bale...forever. Please.

    Fresh reports (within the few hours*) claim a deal is in place to bring Griezmann to Old Trafford. We shall see. If this is so, we're set for the second half of the season to keep the pressure on City and make a good show of it in the CL. We can sort out the fullback and right wing situation in the summer.

    *https://www.diariogol.com/fcbarcelo...ra-al-barca-y-ya-tiene-equipo_522452_102.html
     
  11. Ashur

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    #236 Ashur, Nov 26, 2017
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    Jose obviously prefers experienced, preferably also league proven players: that's his MO and it's nothing new really. That's why I'm partly still amazed we went for Pogba with him, but he's unique, elite and restively close to the finished article. But in preference in players is not the main issue for me. Would have preferred of course we go after Weigl or Fabinho over Matic. Or would rather see us go for Pulisic over Willian for instance. And Gaya, Grimeldo or even Tierney would be more desirable than Rose.
    The issue for me and the common denominator here is the age of guys Jose wants: the guys Jose favor are not long term options we can hope will be around in 5yrs, but very short term options, which means, we'll have to dip back into the market, in fairly short order again. That comes with the territory as far as Jose is concerned and I can accept it for now (provided we win).
    Just like the issue about his style of play, I hope that when it comes time to replace Jose, the club will be mindful of those type of issues when selecting the next guy. But for better or for worse, this is what we probably expect from Jose, more often than not for the rest of his time in charge...
     
  12. United 16

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  13. MizzouMUFC

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    I thought he basically admitted already that he was signing for Bayern after this season.
     
  14. Rooney20

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    Been saying we should sign him for the last 2 years now. Fantastic player with great upside get it done woody.
     
  15. Ashur

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    It seems it was always assumed he would go for Bayern (and they still could be favorites for him). That being said, if he's still weighing his options, he's absolutely worth the effort. Talk about a major coup, if United were to sign him.
     
  16. MizzouMUFC

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    Goretzka is the best young player in Germany not at a big club. He would be a massive signing.
     
  17. cr7torossi

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    Define "big". Werner or Weigl would be the answer by definition of non-destination clubs.

    Biggest benefit of Goretzka is that he is at least squad quality for free.
     
  18. MizzouMUFC

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    For me, Goretkza has overtaken Weigl as far as potential and quality goes. Werner is a good one as well.
     
  19. Ashur

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    #244 Ashur, Dec 3, 2017
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    Goretzka was always ahead of Weigl IMO, as he is more complete a player and midfielder (not to take away anything from the latter all the same). Goretzka's injury record, plus playing for Schalke as opposed to Dortmund, somewhat limited his exposure.
    And finally, starring the way he has at the Confed Cup definitely put him in the world conscience, while Weigl(who was supposed to play a big part himself) had to sit home injured.

    His comments, as related to his next move, are interesting (especially in terms of his approach and general outlook) and tell a lot about the kind of person he is

    www.bleacherreport.com/articles/2747364-manchester-united-transfer-news-leon-goretzka-discusses-exit-rumours

    Good of United to finally join the race for his services: better late than never.
     
  20. Futbol_Head

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    If we were to acquire him, who is furthest forward out of him and Pogba? I certainly don't expect them to play in a midfield 2 together.
     
  21. Ashur

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    #246 Ashur, Dec 3, 2017
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    The optimal way to use him would be in a midfield 3 with Matic and Pogs. Pogs is the more attacking one, while Goretzka will fulfill the B2B role next to him.
    I would be curious to see him as a 6 though: pretty confident he could pull it off, if need be.
     
  22. MizzouMUFC

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    Pogba definitely stays furthest forward. Goretkza is very much a B2B and well rounded but isn't close to Pogba when it comes to offensive ability.
     
  23. cr7torossi

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    @benni...
    are we fully on the Malcolm bandwagon?

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    Malcolm, Goretzka, Oezil + fullback would be a reasonable, cheap window which I would be ok with. We should be in for Dybala if he is on the market though.
     
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  24. Deadtigers

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    Should we be an outright 352 or 343 side at the moment? It has worked well for us.
     
  25. Ashur

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    #250 Ashur, Dec 6, 2017
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    As you were told the last time you asked that question after the Arsenal game, playing in this setup is definitely something that should continue at the right time and against the appropriate opponent.
    As we've seen, Jose is a very flexible manager in that dept, one who will not hesitate to change setups/formations according to the circumstances or opposition. And that's the way it ought to be really. We have been effective in other setups as well, so while we've found success with a 3 at the back as of late, we should stick with it when it's appropriate (notably against top teams) but it's important to remain tactically flexible and versatile as well...
     

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