Battle For Sixth In The UEFA Country Coefficients

Discussion in 'UEFA and Europe' started by EvanJ, Jun 30, 2010.

  1. Lusankya

    Lusankya Moderator
    Staff Member

    Nov 14, 2007
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    And how is that releveant when both countries had a different number of teams competing? :rolleyes:
     
  2. ARREBIMBA

    ARREBIMBA Member

    May 20, 2010
    It is relevant because Portugal's ranking is ~95% based on Benfica, Porto, Sporting and Braga, independently of how many teams we have in europe. The rest of the teams don't have the power to help the ranking, they just make it worse.
    This year these 4 teams will only have to support 1 other team (instead of the usual 2/3), so our country coef will benefit greatly from that.
     
  3. goliath74

    goliath74 Member

    May 24, 2006
    Hollywood, FL, United States
    Club:
    FC Dynamo Kyiv
    Nat'l Team:
    Ukraine
    And RPL, being a more even league, will have good contribution from 5 sides (I do not expect Sibir to contribute much)

    BTW, Ukraine just, I believe, passed Russia.
     
  4. vilafria

    vilafria Member+

    Jun 2, 2005
    Sporting ( Por ) 2-1 FC Nordsjælland
    Bangor City FC 1-2 Marítimo ( Por )

    Beşiktaş (Tur) 3-0 Plzeň
    OFK 1-5 Galatasaray ( Tur )

    Apollon 2-1 Sibir ( Rus) * advances on away goals
     
  5. Chess_Panther

    Chess_Panther Member+

    Apr 29, 2007
    Porto, Portugal

    Europa League 3rd Qualifying Round - 2nd leg



    Apollon 2 - 1 Sibir (RUS)

    aggregate 2 - 2 - Sibir goes through


    Zestafoni 0 - 1 Karpaty (UKR)

    aggregate 0 - 2 - Karpaty goes through


    Dnipro (UKR) 2 - 0 Spartak Zlatibor

    aggregate 3 - 2 - Dnipro goes through


    Sporting (POR) 2 - 1 Nordsjaelland

    aggregate 3 - 1 - Sporting goes through


    Bangor City 1 - 2 Marítimo (POR)

    aggregate 3 - 10 - Marítimo goes through



    RANKING

    UKR------35.633 (6/6 teams)
    RUS------35.541 (6/6 teams)
    POR------34.996 (5/5 teams)
     
  6. verde-rubro

    verde-rubro Member+

    C.S.Maritimo + Liverpool FC
    Portugal
    Jan 15, 2005
    LONDON
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
    Maritimo's win today makes it played 4 won 4 which = points for Portugal

    and braga lost yesterday
     
  7. ARREBIMBA

    ARREBIMBA Member

    May 20, 2010
    Braga contributed 15% for Portugal's 2010 ranking.

    Unfortunately Marítimo + Guimarães + Setubal + Nacional + Leiria + Paços Ferreira + Belenenses all toguether only contributed 8%.
    So I really hope that Marítimo wins the play-off and then wins some more points in the group stage. :)
     
  8. Chess_Panther

    Chess_Panther Member+

    Apr 29, 2007
    Porto, Portugal
    CHAMPIONS LEAGUE PLAYOFF DRAW


    Dinamo Kyiv (UKR) vs Ajax

    Zenit (RUS) vs Auxerre

    Braga (POR) vs Sevilla




    EUROPA LEAGUE PLAYOFF DRAW


    Bayern Leverkusen vs Tavriya (UKR)

    Dnipro (UKR) vs Lech

    Omonia vs Metalist Kharkiv (UKR)

    CSKA Moscow (RUS) vs Anorthosis

    Sibir (RUS) vs PSV Eindhoven

    Lausanne vs Lokomotiv Moscow (RUS)

    Genk vs FC Porto (POR)

    Sporting (POR) vs Brondby

    BATE Borisov vs Marítimo (POR)
     
  9. Lusankya

    Lusankya Moderator
    Staff Member

    Nov 14, 2007
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Maritmo with a great draw for an unseeded team.
    I expect them to proceed to the group stage.
     
  10. Chess_Panther

    Chess_Panther Member+

    Apr 29, 2007
    Porto, Portugal
    Not particularly easy. BATE has more experience than Marítimo, but I admit that it's one of the most acessible teams that the portuguese could get.
     
  11. vilafria

    vilafria Member+

    Jun 2, 2005
    looks like Sp. Braga got it tough.
     
  12. Chess_Panther

    Chess_Panther Member+

    Apr 29, 2007
    Porto, Portugal
    So did Traviya and Sibir, the only difference is that Braga can still continue their european campaign in EL.

    What's truly interesting is that Marítimo can put Portugal as the only country (out of the three) with all teams still in competition.
    We'll have to wait and see...
     
  13. goliath74

    goliath74 Member

    May 24, 2006
    Hollywood, FL, United States
    Club:
    FC Dynamo Kyiv
    Nat'l Team:
    Ukraine
    Not to be a neat picker

    There is also

    Galatasaray AŞ (TUR) vs. Karpaty Lviv (UKR)
     
  14. Chess_Panther

    Chess_Panther Member+

    Apr 29, 2007
    Porto, Portugal
    Oh, I'm sorry, too late now. In the uefa's website they show the draw by flags instead of tags and I guess I didn't check them all right. :(
     
  15. GoodDead

    GoodDead Moderator
    Staff Member

    Aug 8, 2004
    Toronto Canada
    Club:
    Sporting Braga
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
    Portugal finished in 6th last year with 6 teams while Russia was outside of the top 10 (13th?) with 6 teams.

    This year Portugal has 5 and Russia 6. We will leap frog Russia this year. There was another thread about Russia being the 6th best in 5 years time (2012) and so far everything I stated in that thread has come to pass.

    YOU CANNOT BE THE 6TH BEST LEAGUE IN EUROPE BASED SOLEY ON DOING WELL IN THE UEFA CUP. Zenit and CSKA's UC wins are the only reason they got so high in the rankings and now that they have to show up in the CL their numbers are dropping fast.
     
  16. verde-rubro

    verde-rubro Member+

    C.S.Maritimo + Liverpool FC
    Portugal
    Jan 15, 2005
    LONDON
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
    :confused: sorry but what do you mean :confused:
     
  17. Chess_Panther

    Chess_Panther Member+

    Apr 29, 2007
    Porto, Portugal
    It means that if Marítimo goes through, Portugal will still have every team in competition. 5 out of 5.

    While Russia and Ukraine will at least have one team eliminated before the group stage of both competitions.
    At least, by taking a look at the draw it seems the most likely scenario.
     
  18. GoodDead

    GoodDead Moderator
    Staff Member

    Aug 8, 2004
    Toronto Canada
    Club:
    Sporting Braga
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
    It's way to early to speak of which teams will be in the group stages.
     
  19. BocaFan

    BocaFan Member+

    Aug 18, 2003
    Queens, NY
    Actually the only 2 teams that did okay from Russia last season were the 2 CL teams. The reason the country ranked 13th was mainly due to the poor Europa League performance.

    You've got it all backwards. :D
     
  20. GoodDead

    GoodDead Moderator
    Staff Member

    Aug 8, 2004
    Toronto Canada
    Club:
    Sporting Braga
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
    Right of course, the 11.250 point 07/08 season where Zenit lead the charge of 4 teams (in the UEFA Cup) by getting half of their total points and the 9.750 point 08/09 season where CSKA lead the charge of 4 teams (in the UEFA Cup) are nothing compared to that amazing 6.166 points last year where Rubin and CSKA set the Champions League world ablaze.

    All sarcasm aside, the fact is they got to the position based on the UEFA Cup. Doing "ok" in the CL last year doesn't cut it to be the 6th best league in Europe.
     
  21. BocaFan

    BocaFan Member+

    Aug 18, 2003
    Queens, NY
    What are you going on about now? You wrote "now that they have to show up in the CL their numbers are dropping fast."

    Fact is, the first time they sent 3 teams to the Champions League (ie. last season) those teams did okay for the most part. It was the Europa League that killed them last season.

    Dinamo Moskva - lost in qualifying
    Rubin - respectable 3rd place in group containing 2 best teams in all of Europe
    CSKA - quarterfinals.

    2013.
     
  22. GoodDead

    GoodDead Moderator
    Staff Member

    Aug 8, 2004
    Toronto Canada
    Club:
    Sporting Braga
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
    don't worry about 2013 they won't be sixth in 2012.
     
  23. BocaFan

    BocaFan Member+

    Aug 18, 2003
    Queens, NY
    They might lose 6th in 2012, but could regain it in 2013 since they'll have fewer teams again. ;)
     
  24. ARREBIMBA

    ARREBIMBA Member

    May 20, 2010
    It'll be easier for Portugal to defend 6th place this time (IF we get it this year, which looks like the most probable scenario imo).
    Why? Because now the 6th place only qualifies 6 teams instead of 7. So there'll be one less unreliable portuguese team hurting our ranking. ;)

    It'll still be hard because we only have 4 reliable teams in Europa - Benfica, Porto, Sporting and Braga (for now, let's hope they can keep it up). All the other teams hardly contribute anything to the ranking.
     
  25. GoodDead

    GoodDead Moderator
    Staff Member

    Aug 8, 2004
    Toronto Canada
    Club:
    Sporting Braga
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
    Nacional did well last year. Maritimo is doing well this year and Braga has shown that they are compotent in Europe (besides last years debacle)

    I think the years where we had 6-7 teams has given teams like Nacional and Maritimo enough exposure that they are more comfortable playing outside of Portugal. It worked for Braga, 5 years ago Hearts were making us look bad now we can out play Celtic and are developing an Identity in Europe. The next step for us is to make it to the CL Group stage weather it's this year or 3 or more years from now all depends but we have shown incredible growth over the last 6 years.
     

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