Azteca, post game [R]

Game. Set. Match.

I was there, had an awesome time, and also felt like the powder keg could explode at any moment. Marching us out of the stadium like we were lambs to the slaughter was not a good idea, mainly b/c most of the people at the stadium were pieces of shit.

I realize the circumstances. I realize there's a little bit of danger involved. What I don't expect is to have that danger exacerbated by ridiculously poor planning. I also don't understand those who are defending people who throw baseball-size chunks of ice at someone who literally did nothing to them.

 

Recognizing the potential for serious injury and enjoying yourself aren't mutually exclusive.
Appealing to common practice doesn't make something acceptable.

You are one of the more level headed and mature Mexico fans on the boards (you don't instantly resort to hilarious jokes about sexual orientation and you engage in debate), but you need to recognize the potentially dangerous situations.

I can deal with being spit on. I can deal with piss being thrown on me. But there are a number of things that were dangerous (ALL preventable by better security):

• Full water bottles thrown as hard as possible-Dangerous (a guy got hit in the face and had a gash that required medical attention)
• A glass bottle being thrown at us as we exited the stadium- Dangerous
• Large blocks of ice as we were exiting the stadium - Potentially ********ing deadly

Action needs to be taken to combat hooliganism everywhere and it's not hard:

1. Better ticket control (the FMF is actually less to blame here than the USSF). The money grubbing USSF decided to start the supporters club, restricting access to supporters tickets to the more economically disadvantaged. **** the USSF for that. **** them to the moon and back. Mexican officials did well to consolidate the US fans, but that is about all they did right.
2. If Mexican officials cannot hold individuals accountable for their individual actions by removing them or banning them from matches (not likely because of the resources involved), a buffer zone needs to be set up to keep thrown objects from opposing fans. This is common ****ing practice world wide.
3. Mexican officials should have held us until the entire stadium was cleared out. This is common practice.

Don't tell me that you don't think that these are unreasonable requests. If those three things had happened NO ONE would have the right to complain (unless it was about those terribad horns.)

 

I'm by no means excusing the behavior of those who felt the need to throw things at random people.

I myself have been a victim at Azteca during America and Necaxa games.

It's also happened to me at Jets games.

I just don't understand what some people expected when they went down to Mexico for a WCQ.

 

They threw a hard object at you and weren't removed from the Jets game?

 

Some dude threw a cup of beer at me and no he wasn't removed.

It took place on the spirals during halftime.

I thought it was a bit ironic since I've seen people escorted out of Giants Stadium for sneezing during RedBulls games.

 

Cup of Beer ≠ Hard object.

Clearly, among the things people do not expect from a WCQ are the following:

1) Full, capped water bottles being thrown at them full force from all directions (especially when it is stadium practice to remove the caps)

2) Having coins, rocks, batteries and other HARD, DANGEROUS objects thrown at them from all directions

3) Being escorted out of the stadium before the match ends for doing nothing

4) Being escorted through a gauntlet of opposing fans who are trying to do anything to instigate a fight

5) Being escorted through a gauntlet of opposing fans and having large (the size of those old Breyers Ice cream boxes) blocks of ice coming at them from multiple directions


6) Having enough riot police around yet having them DO ABSOLUTELY NOTHING

If any of this were caught on video, FIFA would impose sanctions on Mexico. GUARANTEED.



AGAIN, this thread has nothing to do with fans anywhere else in the world. Only the Mexican fans. I have not been to Honduras, but in Venezuela, Guatemala*, Costa Rica, Barbados, England, Germany, South Korea, Jamaica, Trinidad & Tobago, Cuba, Canada & Switzerland . . . nothing approached the levels of Danger.


*Yes in Guatemala, there was some danger, but no hard objects were thrown (save for a chicken bone) and the Guatemalan police did an excellent job of keeping away fans safe when the situation turned hostile - Exactly what the mexicans failed to do - But, again, what can you expect from the Mexican police right now? Sad.

 

Alright dude, I get it, Mexicans are big scary monsters who throw things at you.

And no, don't expect shit from the Mexican police unless you intend to bribe them.

 

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   I'm not a paying member for SC and still got my hands on tickets. Even with the "restricted access" we had the most US fans for a game at Azteca ever.
   The FMF and USSF had nothing to do with the section that we got. That was all Estadio Azteca making the call.
   Also, we were just the second visiting group to sit up there.
   Regardless of the section or amount of fans, we were going to get the same treatment.

 

My ticket was only $15. Feel sorry for those who overpaid.

 

You're absolutely right, what do people expect, it's Mexico.

 

Estadio Azteca didn't make the call. FMF and USSF made the call because of fans complaining about the beer showers. And from reading past threads seems like some even complained to the American Embassy.

I just want to say something to the tards that are saying that the situation was close to getting out of hand, don't you think with 105,000 fans shit would get out of hand? But yet I didn't hear about no reported problems. I saw a lot of self control of both teams fans, that it's quite sad of the people didn't go start talking shit about how classless Mexicans are.

Like many have said there is always the few that fuck it up for the rest, but honestly it wasn't as bad as many of the posters say it was.

I would like to know if any of you people have gone to Raiders games wearing opposing teams jerseys? Should things like that happen? No ofcourse not. But there is always a moron who messes things up.

 

The only things they should change in the future would be to leave a section empty on each side between the USA fans and the Mexican fans.

Then the American fans could've been kept in the stadium well after the game and no problems.

And yeah I paid $15 for my ticket and less than a dollar to get to and from the stadium.

 

I payed 15 as well. For the sake of the estimation for security reasons the USSF shouldn't rip off their ***ing supporters.

Not only does the US soccer "supporters club" **** over lower income fans it also ****s over fans from Western states who can't attend as many games (and therefore reap the benefits).

Man, I wish sport wasn't so much of a business...but maybe it's for the best for player development, etc...

 

The OleOle people are the true snakes in all this

 

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   Point number one makes no sense in the context of your argument and is follwed by a complete non-sequitur. Yes, better ticket control could help safety. What does the US Soccer's supporters club have to do with that? Doesnt the Supporters Club mean more control and better control over who gets tickets? In theory, maybe, in practice no. How does this in anyway constitute a problem in ticket control? How did this impact the ticket situation or the safety of people at Azteca? Or was it just an unrelated rant?

 

It was a mini rant. I know ticket control is a wacky and complicated issue because there is no way of identifying fans but I had had a couple of drinks and keyboard yelling seemed appropriate.

 

Could be worse.

The FMF could've racially profiled Americans like the USSF did back in 01.

Then again, this is America, we should expect nothing less.



Look Ma!!!! I made a stupid generalization based on a damn soccer game.

 

Now that we are on the subject of hammering our FA -----

The only thing that upset me about the whole trip was absolutely no acknowledgment/gesture of gratitude towards we traveling supporters from our boys BEFORE the match kicked off.

This is standard operating procedure worldwide is it not.

The learning curve continues I reckon.

PS
5,000+ in 2013 is a worthy goal.

 

The words came right out of your mouth IMD. The lenghts you'll go to excuse fan behavior in Mexico is mind boggling. Carry on.

 

When did I excuse it?

I don't condone it but I ain't naive enough to think that shit like that doesn't/wouldn't happen at an NFL or NBA game.

Sorry to burst your bubble bud, but the big bad Mexicans aren't as big and bad as some people around here want to believe.

edit: Narcos are pretty badass, you don't wanna f*ck with them.

 

You'd have to have been really looking for us to find us.

 

Kids dont belong in sporting events. If they are below the age of 14 you dont belong in a soccer match. Its not a family picnic its a world cup qualifier.

 

Valid point.

 

Visiting fans at NFL or NBA games don't need armed guards to ensure their safety. The projectiles I've read about being thrown around the Azteca does not happen in the USA either. You seem to turn a blind eye to this, or maybe you're blind because you got hit with a battery, whatever.

That's a sad, sad, statement. That's not what sports are about.