Attitude, effort, intensity, aggression

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  1. Jyby

    Jyby New Member

    Dec 21, 2016
    I'm coaching a lower level, 05 girls select team that's lacking the above.

    I was pleased with their progress last fall, especially the late season tournaments. A few games into indoor, with no training, and they look like a completely different team. I recognize that they are extremely training routine dependant.

    Any insight/perspective you have to share is appreciated!
     
  2. elessar78

    elessar78 Moderator
    Staff Member

    May 12, 2010
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Attitude, effort, intensity, aggression—all necessary, but also all nebulous terms.

    "Lower level", does that mean less skilled? Focus on making them more skilled instead of merely running harder and banging harder than the opposition.

    But I'm not really sure what you are asking.
     
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  3. Jyby

    Jyby New Member

    Dec 21, 2016
    We're less skilled in comparison to the other teams in our indoor bracket, playing a couple 05 teams that play in higher divisions and a couple 04 teams.

    Our training sessions are footskills as primary focus. We currently are not training through winter, just playing indoor. Not looking to turn them into bangers.

    What I'm asking is, has anyone had a team that was typically the less aggressive team with lower intensity level, that was able to improve those traits? What was successful in that change?
     
  4. Peter Rival

    Peter Rival Member

    Oct 21, 2015
    My high school team is like this almost every year. They're a bunch of nice kids, well-intentioned, (largely) well-raised, caring and kind to a fault; sometimes I swear they don't realize it's okay to beat their opponent to a ball. We largely solved that problem this past year for the first time (we'll see if it sticks come next year) in three ways.

    First, I introduced several of them to rondos where I focused more on the defenders in the middle than the offensive players on the outside. Usually the kids in the middle viewed it as "punishment" and just ran around haphazard until someone kicked the ball away. I actually got in the rondo with them and showed them myself exactly how I wanted things done. That worked because the kids were vaguely my size and roughly at the same level of athleticism. It also worked because I could remind them that, "if I can do it at over 40, you can do it in your teens!" Once they started to nick the ball away from their teammates on defense the level of competition on both offense and defense went up and that translated to the games. It wasn't a 100% success, but it was a start.

    Second, they never got a negative review for positive effort - we might offer alternatives but good effort always got an audible response, either verbally or clapping on the effort. At first some of the kids laughed at my "good idea!" or "nice look!" or the like, but slowly it helped build their confidence to try things where success wasn't guaranteed - that can be one of the major inhibitors of proper intensity.

    Third, and this really was the capstone, we had a few kids who would take things on themselves. Some of the kids had to actually see one of their own doing the things we were talking about and either succeeding or getting praised for having the right idea before they were willing to get in and do it themselves. No amount of coaching, prodding, or praising of their work was going to do it, but seeing another kid do it was the key that unlocked it. I think doubly so because they weren't the "coach's kid" types which made them all the more relatable.

    I think @elessar78 has largely the right idea, but I do think that there's a certain aspect beyond technical ability that can take kids and teams to another level. Or as an old coach of mine would say, "effort is a skill all its own".
     
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  5. rca2

    rca2 Member+

    Nov 25, 2005
    Tough question to answer without seeing your team play.

    Is this your first time coaching girls? The mental aspect is different than coaching boys.

    Is their behavior on match day different than in training sessions?

    Is the problem with the entire team or just with some individuals?

    Are you making training competitive? As in Anson Dorrance's competitive cauldron approach.

    In answer to your question, I have coached girls. Some of the girls were reluctant to compete to win. I reinforced the positive efforts for the more timid to learn from. I eliminated fear of failure by making positive comments about effort, not results. What surprised me was that, after I taught them that it was alright to compete to win during training, I also had to teach them that it was alright to compete to win during matches against other teams.

    I never had a situation where everyone on the team was reluctant to play to win.

    There could be many other reasons for the problem, but I think the typical socialization baloney where girls are taught to underachieve is the culprit.
     
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  6. elessar78

    elessar78 Moderator
    Staff Member

    May 12, 2010
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    From Practice Perfect, this is called "modeling" and it's a great teaching technique.

    Imitation gets such a bad rap, but me and whole bunch of other people learned soccer by copying, at various times, Maradona, Zidane, Ronaldinho etc.

    Can't just rely on them to figure out how to do it. Give them the picture to copy from.
     
  7. elessar78

    elessar78 Moderator
    Staff Member

    May 12, 2010
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    My teams generally have been less "aggressive" because it's not the type of soccer I want to promote. Meaning the run-your-butt-off, throw yourself into challenges with abandon type of soccer.

    We lose to these teams (from time to time, less so as they get older)—high hustle teams—but those teams don't play two minutes of worthwhile soccer in an hour.

    We do a lot of activities where I boss balls and play a 50/50 ball to train them to go win the ball. We do drills on how to use our bodies and shield etc.

    Another way is to talk to them and get them to create a separate identity. Their actual self and their "Performer Self". They don't have to be meek, deferential, on the soccer field. They can be rough, take no prisoners on the field.
     
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  8. Jyby

    Jyby New Member

    Dec 21, 2016
    Thanks for the replies!

    More attention to the defenders in the rondo I like, Peter.

    Rca, I understand the challenge of advising to a team you haven't seen.
    I've only coached girls, the majority of the group I'm with from rec. Mind you, I'm developing as a coach, as they are as players. This aspect wasn't covered in the courses I've had.

    Not all of them are reluctant to play. It seems their play is contagious. If we start of well, they all seem to play well. When we start of bad, they all play bad. Our indoor competition is more skilled, more athletic, and simply"want it" more than we do. Our lack of intensity/agression, is limiting or opportunities to establish the slightest bit of possession.

    Elessar, the running/banging isn't my style either. Just looking for improvement in their intensity/aggression. Perhaps too much a challenge without training.

    Your last recommendation concerning their"identity", we actually addressed before the game.. very similar to your description. I'm thinking that's a theme that I'll carry over to spring. I like that message, even tho it didn't appear to have an influence in that one particular game.

    Last fall we had some success with "shoulder runs" in training, not being pushed off the ball. It appears that's been forgotten.
     
  9. rca2

    rca2 Member+

    Nov 25, 2005
    I found that a high pressure zone defense bonds the team and boosts confidence in themselves and confidence in their teammates. I used a 433 with the forward line being the line of confrontation. I also tasked the players to play multiple positions. It took several matches to jell, but, after it did, it excited the team like nothing else did. That enthusiasm from successfully winning the ball carried over into all moments of the game. When they lost the ball, they were eager to win it back instead of remorseful.
     
  10. Jyby

    Jyby New Member

    Dec 21, 2016
    I appreciate that!

    Fall was our first season 11v 11. With this group, I like 4 in the middle, we played 442. In the attacking third, the idea is to look 424, with the cm's to provide diagonal drop support... With the #2&3 supporting but not quite a 244 look. Not sure I'm explaining well.
     
  11. elessar78

    elessar78 Moderator
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    May 12, 2010
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Yes, it takes a period of time for individuals to create this new individual and eventually team identity.

    Skills are habits. A collection of habits is a culture.

    Have a picture in your head of what intensity/aggressiveness that you want to see looks like. Model it for them. Point out in games when one exhibits these traits so the group knows it'll get positive recognition for it.

    We also do drills that involve shielding and using our body. Model it for them so they know how to use their bodies effectively. Helps to develop that aggressive mentality. Although in this scenario, personally, I like to use my body when I play to block off, shield, turn defenders but I'm not "aggressive". Mentally, I'm more zen—although physical, I'm not thinking anymore about "pushing this guy off the ball"—it's just actions.

    I have little sayings like, "Touch the ball first"—it's a specific action, "touch" and objective "first". So we know we want to be alert and first to any loose balls. Haven't done it in awhile but maybe give a post-game award for the player that gets to the most loose balls.

    I also like the word "Tenacity".
     
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  12. Peter Rival

    Peter Rival Member

    Oct 21, 2015
    A quick question, you mention indoor - is this 6-a-side or something else? If it is, one reason I've found in our kids for losing aggression is when the run of play goes against them - indoor is a very momentum-driven game and can be almost frenetic if you don't learn to control it. If that is indeed the case I might suggest they work on slowing things down when the run of play is against them - possess more, more hold up play, etc. It gives both the mind and the body a chance to reset and also takes the edge off of your competition. It also translates well to the outdoor game which tends to have a slightly slower pace.

    Note: I'm not talking about the tiquitaca "pass the ball for the sake of passing the ball" idea, but rather being far more patient in possession and using hold-up play to generate a different flow. Indoor can lend itself to lots of "if I squeeze this pass in just right it'll be amazing!" sequences, and when the run of play is against you those tend not to come off - instead, play sure passes, hold the ball up (using your body as a shield) and be patient and probe rather than slash. Eventually the defense will make a mistake and then you can capitalize. At worst you'll have taken the sting out of the opposition and given your team some positive momentum to build from.

    If it's not the indoor I'm thinking of, then ignore all of the above. ;)
     
  13. Peter Rival

    Peter Rival Member

    Oct 21, 2015
    I've heard plenty of complaints about modeling with younger kids due to differences in physique and ability - in my case with high school kids, many of them are close to as big as they're going to get so that's not an issue. I do get that you have to be smart about modeling on a 40 year old body what you want a 6 year old to do, but if you're coaching 6 year olds, IMO, you should be able to model a decent approximation of what it should look like for them.

    For my kids, and my ability level, I'll often see them do a better job than I do once they internalize what I've shown. I think I'd rather have it that way - they're the ones on the field, after all. And if a guy like Pep can model for his players and then be amazed at what they do, a guy like me can do it too...
     
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  14. rca2

    rca2 Member+

    Nov 25, 2005
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    The only thing I have to say about modeling is that researchers say that children learn better when the demonstrator is someone their own age rather than an adult. So the U-Littles coaches' first choice for modeling should be one of the players rather than the coach. Something to keep in mind.

    I have spoke against coaches playing against young kids before, but that was because of the physical mismatch not providing useful experience for the kids and because the coach is stepping out of his authority figure role into a peer role. Takes social sophistication and a lot of trust to work well. Especially with girls, this can end up reinforcing intentional underachievement.

    One form of modeling I have read about but never done, is a coach assuming a player's spot and having the player shadow him during play for some minutes. This is in particular a great way to improve an older 11v11 player's decision making and positioning. In fact it is I suspect the "best" coaching method for it, but I have never seen it used.
     
  15. elessar78

    elessar78 Moderator
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    May 12, 2010
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Most issues I've had with modeling revolve around shielding, because of the size difference. I usually have to demo with another coach (adult). For the most part, modeling has been pretty effective—we do it with the 7 year olds and do it for skills training for 7 to 14 year olds. But ball mastery, moves, feints, passing, and receiving all get it much faster with just a bit of demo. I have no problems with one of their peers doing it if one is available.
     
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  16. Jyby

    Jyby New Member

    Dec 21, 2016
    The indoor we play is 9v9, unboarded.
    I agree with slowing play down. They do that fairly well in outdoor, but are struggling to match the other teams intensity and aggression. Often that ends with not getting a touch at all or simply one touch followed by loss of possession. They've proven that they can play much better than they've been.

    Maybe we're just in over our heads?
     
  17. elessar78

    elessar78 Moderator
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    May 12, 2010
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Partially it's the curse of unlimited subs. I think it hurts our game a lot they only learn to play at one pace because there is little incentive to play slow—you'll get to rest anyway.
     
  18. Sami Paakkanen

    Mar 4, 2016
    Nat'l Team:
    Finland
    Typical men.. always looking answer on technical way :D Sorry to be so rude. If I understand right, u were asking why they play so different in games, that intension or aggression, not the same what u see in practice?

    Have you think what is the mental side on this thing? Aggression is needed if you want to win one on one situations. U need that aggression to get ball to your team sometimes. Otherwise u run after your opponent and the ball. If there is no aggression on use on games, there is always some mental issue under the surface. Usually it is fear. I do mental training with teams, so we talk usually that emotional side. Ask your players what are "those thing", why they don't use that aggression or intensity on games, that u can see on practice. And if they feel free to answer they will. If not, u have done something wrong and they don't trust u or the group. If they answer, do not say don't think like that or that kind of thinking won't help anything. They need to say out loud what they think other wise they won't change their style easily. U can dive under the surface if you are willing to listen what they have on their minds.

    -Sami
     
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  19. rca2

    rca2 Member+

    Nov 25, 2005
    Interesting comments, Sami. I have attended some soccer coaching classes and demonstrations here and no one tells coaches to listen to players. The focus is on training tactics and technique. The physical aspect is ignored. A very simple view of the mental aspect is presented where the coach encourages the players by talking to them.

    That is not to say that no US soccer coaches listen to players. Listening is an important communication skill and most coaches have it and use it, even if they don't talk about it.

    I have a couple of books on coaching the mental aspects by sports psychologists, but haven't really got any information from soccer coaches, except their view of what to say and how to say it.

    As an aside, I also have a couple of books on athlete development, but that too is considered by soccer coaches a separate field--"strength and conditioning" coaches is what we call them here in the US. Most soccer coaches consider them specialists, when in fact they are generalists and could be coaching any sport.
     
  20. elessar78

    elessar78 Moderator
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    May 12, 2010
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Since my daughter (8 years old) started playing club soccer this year and I'm her coach. I talk to her, to hear her thoughts about the game—it's my way to get her to think about the game. But I have uncovered insights into her personality that comes out in her play. I've extended that to the whole group now as well, after games or practice we talk—not just me. I try to let every player say something.

    I have been reading a few books recently that emphasize "psychological safety" as a key feature of high achieving groups.
     
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  21. Sami Paakkanen

    Mar 4, 2016
    Nat'l Team:
    Finland

    Hmm.. that is same problem here. They don't teach coaches to how to talk and listen players, only those technical issues.. I try to change that culture here in Finland. Really big job, it goes thru hole culture... So no worries :) !
    Most of the problems on sports comes out from interaction. Teams, clubs ect.. every level.. and they won't teach any of that to the people who work in sports. That is so fool. Like I say.. too much technical thinkers ;)
    Talking of emotions is hard job. You really got to know what are u doing. Many times it is enough to listen what they fear or what makes them angry I don't have to teach them what to do with that emotion. Everybody have their own way to handle emotions and if you learn to talk emotions in group, it makes everything easier, including life it self :)

    -Sami
     
  22. Sami Paakkanen

    Mar 4, 2016
    Nat'l Team:
    Finland
    rca2..

    Sometimes "it" is the most big problem of those books. Writers are psychologist. They learn lots of theory and statistics on university, nothing of their own emotions. If u don't know your emotions, how can u help someone with theirs ? I have talk few psychologist here in Finland, who try to help our pro athletics. Quite theoretical persons... too much of that. Talking with them, feels like u are talking to a statue :)
    Best books I have read are talking about analytical psychotherapy aspect of human.. Good luck with that, it goes quite deep in to your soul ! :D
     
  23. Jyby

    Jyby New Member

    Dec 21, 2016
    Sami,

    It's fair to say that it's a consistent theme, in both training and matches. The issue is magnified in the matches.

    In training, we've been able to address and improve the issue with technical training as you mentioned.

    Currently we are not training, just playing.

    As mentioned earlier, we've presented the girls with the player identity/personal identity comparison.

    Also previously mentioned, that aspect isn't covered in any of the courses I've taken (currently have ND) ..

    When we've talked to the girls about how we want to play, they are able to describe pretty well what we're looking for both technically and tactically. However, they struggle to actually perform under game pressure. That tells me that more training time is needed for improvement.

    Always open to different ideas and hearing different perspectives. Thanks for sharing everyone.
     
  24. Peter Rival

    Peter Rival Member

    Oct 21, 2015
    One of the biggest gains I made this past year was the use of video to go over in-game moments. Within those gains some of the most long-lasting were when I could stop the video and ask, "why did you do that?" The trick is asking to learn what was going on in his or her head rather than accusing them of not seeing the "right" answer - what's "obvious" on video or on the sidelines might not even be visible on the field.

    If their response was downright wrong that provides an obvious teaching moment. If it was just sub-optimal then we discuss (and I do mean discuss - it's bi-directional, not just me lecturing them) what other options I can see. I prefer to do this in a team setting rather than 1-on-1 because then everyone gets to learn; it's "safe" because everyone gets "called out" eventually and nobody gets beaten up.

    Finally, this exercise also helps to learn what's going on in their heads. Is X afraid to make a mistake? Is Y afraid of contact? Does Z not trust his teammates? Some kids this is harder for than others, but with a little repetition they learn to place themselves back in the situation.

    Maybe this won't work for you, but perhaps the concept might be something you could adapt.
     
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  25. Sami Paakkanen

    Mar 4, 2016
    Nat'l Team:
    Finland
    Hello Peter !

    In my view, you are doing good work ! Mental side in sports is usually only side order, it should be main course. It is most important thing. Without good mental health, good skills won´t help you to become great player.

    -Sami
     

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