Asood Al Rafidayn Thread 2016 edition (R)

Discussion in 'Iraq' started by Suren01, Dec 31, 2015.

  1. Iraqipower

    Iraqipower Member

    Oct 20, 2015
    Top leagues in asia is a fairly low standard. The defending in those leagues are sub par.
     
  2. Suren01

    Suren01 Member+

    Apr 9, 2012
    Netherlands
    Nat'l Team:
    Iraq
    This is the AFC Player of the Year award. Only players of domestic leagues in Asia are chosen, and UAE has one of the best leagues in Asia.

    Let's just accept the fact that our league is lagging behind all those countries.
     
  3. Iraqipower

    Iraqipower Member

    Oct 20, 2015
    Im not saying our league is good by any means. Its not at all. But my opinion still stands that "amoori" is an extremely overrated player.
     
  4. Birdman79

    Birdman79 Member

    Dec 17, 2012
    Club:
    AC Milan
    Amoori deserved it no doubt.Hammadi performed for his club and a second tier AFC facing an Indian team im the final just to show you how weak this competition is.He didn't play in the national team.Had he came thru for Iraq and advanced to the qualifying rounds in the Olympics,then he would've deserved it.
     
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  5. irak101

    irak101 Member

    Aug 18, 2016
    iraqi players overhyped like english player

    the chinese player wu lei scored more goals than hommadi and top chinaese scorer in china league in the last four seasons and he is winger



    what hommadi do in afc cup was great for iraq but he is not better than amoory or wu lei the chinese player he has scored 104 goals
    to get in nominate is great for iraq and hommadi but we look at our players and other player in asia we not have the best players this is true
     
  6. Iraqilambo

    Iraqilambo Member

    Aug 15, 2014
    Club:
    AC Milan
    yeah china has better players than us. ok. :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
     
  7. Suren01

    Suren01 Member+

    Apr 9, 2012
    Netherlands
    Nat'l Team:
    Iraq
    We could learn a thing or two from China's infrastructure and league set up. Why do we always lessen the achievements of others? It's like Iraq is still champion of Asia.

    If we want success on the international stage, we should invest in improvements of Iraqi football. We are going backwards every day..
     
  8. Kurdii110

    Kurdii110 Member

    Jul 13, 2015
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Iraq
    Iraq is still a champion of Asia tho
     
  9. Suren01

    Suren01 Member+

    Apr 9, 2012
    Netherlands
    Nat'l Team:
    Iraq
    We are former champions, but the media and some fans talk as if we are current champions of Asia..
     
  10. Kurdii110

    Kurdii110 Member

    Jul 13, 2015
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Iraq
    Well I agree, but the achievement is hard to forget with the situation that was and still is going on in Iraq, although we have to keep working and gain more respectable achievements.
     
  11. Suren01

    Suren01 Member+

    Apr 9, 2012
    Netherlands
    Nat'l Team:
    Iraq
    We have to be honest to ourselves. Did we win the 2007 Asian Cup by planning? No, we won it pure based on the form, talent of the players and a little bit of luck.

    Even if you look at our 2007 win, we were still inconsistent (we couldn't beat Thailand and Oman, and with all respect but we had the easiest route against Vietnam). On the other side we beat a strong Australia and Saudi Arabia team.

    Not to lessen our amazing achievement, but upsets do happen often in tournaments. 2015 Asian Cup is another good example, but we couldn't get past South Korea this time around.
     
  12. irak101

    irak101 Member

    Aug 18, 2016
    #1037 irak101, Dec 3, 2016
    Last edited: Dec 3, 2016
    i love iraqi arrogance wait until china becomes better and they have players now just as good players as iraq players loook at china and look at us who is laughing?

    look at our players who is buying them 50 years we wait for 1 player to play in top leagues in world you talk like we world champion look at Saoudi and UAE, Korea, Iran, Cine, Australia go back to iraq and see what is happening and tell me :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes: we are not even at level of cine, Saudi or uae, adminstration, stadiums, football clubs everything even how we bring young players
     
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  13. Iraqilambo

    Iraqilambo Member

    Aug 15, 2014
    Club:
    AC Milan

    I'm sorry for not accepting mediocrity.

    No matter what you say, it's a fact that our players are better than the ones from Saudi, China and the rest of those trash nations.
     
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  14. Suren01

    Suren01 Member+

    Apr 9, 2012
    Netherlands
    Nat'l Team:
    Iraq
    If you don't accept mediocrity, you have to look at the core reason why we are declining at international level.

    Ask yourself why no Iraqi club can pass the AFC Licensing Criteria to play in the Asian Champions League.
    Why are we earning results at Olympic and youth level, yet fail to beat the same teams at senior level?

    We rely on our players abroad to keep the NT running, instead of working on youth development and a professional league to create that environment in Iray.

    Look at Saudi Arabia and UAE. Their NT is fully domestic, yet they are able to contend with the top in Asia. The players are in good form, because they are playing club football at a high level. They can play the full 90 minutes because their clubs employ fitness coaches. They also have home advantage, which leds to upsets.

    This is reality, whether you like it or not.
     
  15. Iraqilambo

    Iraqilambo Member

    Aug 15, 2014
    Club:
    AC Milan
    The level of our players is higher than the results we're seeing. This is a fact.
     
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  16. irak101

    irak101 Member

    Aug 18, 2016
    maybe ten year ago today results is same to level of players iraq have, we have better play than saudi or uae? the results in youth is fake the player do not develop they reach 21 or 22 and play u19 and then play senior teams and do not improve and this is not me but people in iraq saying this we love mohamed dawood and he now 21 and 22 and wait he will not get better he now reserve with nuft in baghdad and he will not be better because it is poor developement not like we see in 10 years ago or 15 yrs you live in time long ago things in iraq very different results in wcq is same as the player level iraq have tell me ala mhawy can play for saudi or waleed salem for uae and this is player in iraq we not improve we have to see true what hapening in iraq we go backward and you thing iraq is world champions we play afc cup and our teams not have stadium and grass and not anything
     
  17. Iraqilambo

    Iraqilambo Member

    Aug 15, 2014
    Club:
    AC Milan
    If you say so...
     
  18. Birdman79

    Birdman79 Member

    Dec 17, 2012
    Club:
    AC Milan
    Iraq does have better players than SA,UAE,China,etc,per se.But without proper development from the youth sector ,etc,it's a crap shot.In 07 we had a team that had gelled together,a foreign coach ,and alot of luck.What did we do since? Nothing . Failed the qualifications the following year,got destroyed in the gulf cup,with the same players.

    You can have an individual that has speed,power,dribbling skills,etc,but without the proper program/training/will only go so far.

    It's like an amature boxer even thou a certain individual has speed and power,he still has to start early to train,spart,fight a good number of amateur bouts ,to gain experience and to figure out what's his fighting style.

    There are things such as off ball movements/positioning etc that i believe should be taught at a younger age.And one big thing that i believe lacks the local players is professionalism.Alot of haters and shit talkers.I have yet to hear Yasir Kasim's side of the story.If this was a local player he would be on Facebook and sport shows talking about how john blow is a sell out and a traitor.

    So basically all of you are right,just gotta grind it all together.
     
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  19. Ereshkigal

    Ereshkigal Member

    Jan 25, 2015
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    We have talented players, however other countries are progressing while we're standing still. Japan was also considered a weak footballing nation some 30 years ago, but they progressed and now is among the best in Asia.

    I also believe that our players are better than the results we've had and the way we've played is ugly.

    Having said that there are real problems. Players smoking, players eating unhealthy food, not training properly, not resting properly etc. Facilities, youth development and proper planning are important but what's more important is for players to become professional. We don't have that professional athlete culture in Iraq.
     
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  20. Iraqilambo

    Iraqilambo Member

    Aug 15, 2014
    Club:
    AC Milan
    I agree with Ereshkigal and Birdman completely.

    I'm not saying we don't have lots of problems in Iraq. We have a huge list of big issues and you've named lots of the biggest ones. Our problems with corruption are obvious and players who don't have the right connections won't get far in Iraq. With Ammo Baba gone, we don't have anyone to bring through young talents who have big futures. We don't have a good league, our clubs are mismanaged and going bankrupt, we can't play at home, we don't have a professional environment and so on.

    Despite this, we have still been producing decent players. Ali Adnan and Dhurgham would be starters for any team in asia. Pretty much all the AFC would love to have guys like Meram, Ahmed Yasin and Saad in their teams.

    We have good players even though we have some holes in the team. The best coaches make it work though. A good coach will look at the team available and work to its strengths. We have good wingers, a solid striker and plenty of attacking midfielders who can dribble and score, yet we're relying on our terrible defense every game.

    That's my biggest problem. We have Radhi going on tv saying things that completely contradict what we're seeing from the team. He says he's building a new generation but he's playing with basically the same team we've had for the past 3-4 years. How can he say he's building a new generation when the players he's relying on are all 25+ years old.

    For all his faults, Hakeem Shakir brought us a good generation of players. He was a moron with no idea about tactics, but he had a good plan to build the team. He was going to use his youth team as the base of the national team with key older players like Younis, Nashat and Salam to guide them. Nashat retired, but Radhi should have stayed with this plan. What he should have done was keep Younis (at least as a sub), and Ali Rehema or Salam. Have them as leaders in the team, and base the rest of the team around guys like Ali Adnan, Ahmed Ibrahim, Humam, Muhannad, Faez, Mehdi Kamil, etc... These guys have been playing together for years and they work well. The likes of Ahmed Yasin, Meram, Osama, Yaser etc.. will boost the team with quality and depth.

    Right now, all these losses and terrible performances are messing with our players psychologically. When you lose to teams like KSA, UAE, etc... over and over, it gets hard for the players to get over it. It doesn't help that Radhi has been criticising them and their performances instead of taking responsibility.
     
  21. irak101

    irak101 Member

    Aug 18, 2016
    like something new? habibi look at our record from 2001 to today how many time we win against ksa and uae, oman, bahrain etc we fall behind each generation our player get worse not better
     
  22. Iraqilambo

    Iraqilambo Member

    Aug 15, 2014
    Club:
    AC Milan
    Here's our record against those teams:
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    We are better than all of these teams. It's new for us to lose to them all the time.

    We've lost 3 times in a row now to the saudis even though they've been garbage since 2007.
    Same with UAE.

    Our record turned to garbage against these teams because of Hakeem Shakir and now Radhi.


    He's killing our players psychologically with these losses.
     
  23. Iraqilambo

    Iraqilambo Member

    Aug 15, 2014
    Club:
    AC Milan
    Lebanese, Syrian, UAE, Palestinian, Jordanian and Omani FAs say they'd be willing to play friendlies in Iraq to help lift our ban.
     
  24. irak101

    irak101 Member

    Aug 18, 2016
    habibi look at record before 2001 and record after 2001 you will, the rest you say is false hakeeem and radi not problem we lost more after 2001 than all matchs before 2001 with these teams not show record and say Our record turned to garbage against these teams because of Hakeem Shakir and now Radhi.

    the record not show this look at numbers
     
  25. Suren01

    Suren01 Member+

    Apr 9, 2012
    Netherlands
    Nat'l Team:
    Iraq
    Under Salman

    Under Vieira


    Under Zico

     

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