ASEAN Region Thread

Discussion in 'Asian Football Confederation' started by druryfire, Apr 2, 2008.

  1. vasilli07

    vasilli07 Member

    Aug 20, 2007
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
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    Maybe because they are minnows and FIFA didn't bother spending time to check on the fake documents that East Timor sent.
  2. vasilli07

    vasilli07 Member

    Aug 20, 2007
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
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    2018 Suzuki Cup set for new format

    The Asean Football Federation (AFF) will implement changes to the format of its flagship tournament, the Suzuki Cup, in 2018.

    The current eight-team tournament proper will be expanded to include 10 of 11 Asean nations, with the 10th and 11th-ranked team playing off for a spot in the main draw.

    There will be two groups of five teams each, with each side playing two group games in their home country, and two away.

    I wonder if Australia will be interested in sending at least their U23 here to play in this tournament 1 day.
  3. sokorny

    sokorny Member

    Nov 6, 2014
    Westerm Australia
    Perth Glory
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    I think it would be a great opportunity for at least their under age team to compete against national sides ... the under age teams have been under performing in Asia and a recently appointed new coach of the under age sides could be a good catalyst. You could probably put the players playing in Asia in the squad too ... as they would be in their off season.
  4. TPL-english

    TPL-english New Member

    Dec 13, 2016
    Reading FC
    Australia however haven't really integrated within Asian football fully yet, no +1 slot for A-League, not much interest in ACL etc... so I don't see it happening, they are in the under age AFF Cups though.

    If the A-League seek more interest from this region, it could be a smart move
  5. vasilli07

    vasilli07 Member

    Aug 20, 2007
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
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    East Timor is expelled from the Asian Cup for fake documents for their foreign born players.
  6. vasilli07

    vasilli07 Member

    Aug 20, 2007
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
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  7. pak_sakoorgtloh

    Jul 2, 2013
    Eintracht Frankfurt
    645 millions in populations across ASEAN. However, top football players of Asean countries that play on top tier league only managed to play in K-League, J-League & Romanian League.

    ASEAN have the quantity, but not quality .
  8. Pelefan

    Pelefan Member+

    Mar 17, 1999
    #508 Pelefan, Jan 24, 2017
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    The author was a bit misinformed about how many SEA players have played in major clubs. Filipino Paulino Alcantara who was born and spent his childhood in the Philippines eventually moved to Spain at approximately the same age that Messi did and became Barcelona's first superstar. He held the club record (for nearly a century) for the most number of goals in all competitions for Barcelona FC until Messi broke it a couple years ago. He still holds the record for the youngest player at 15 to score a goal in competition for the multititled Spanish club. He eventually returned to the Philippines to play for the country in Asia's first international football tournament in the Far East Championship Games as well in the local domestic football league which was flourishing at that time, where he helped his club win the Philippine championship twice.
    There were also other Filipino born players who played in Spain for Barcelona as well as other famous clubs like Real Madrid and Atletico Madrid, including Manuel Amechazurra(considered Barcelona's first professional player who predated Alcantara and who also played in England), Juan Garchitorena, Eduardo Teus( who won 7 titles with Real Madrid and also coached the Spanish national team for one year), Julio Garcia, Gregorio Quejereta, Marcelino Galatians, Ignacio Larrauri and many others. Some of them still have relatives in the Philippines who pointed them out to our local scribes.
    The popularity of football in the Philippines eventually died out, and basketball became the nation's sporting passion, but back in the first half of the 20th century it was flourishing and many outstanding players were produced.
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  9. E_ViLL14

    E_ViLL14 Member

    Jul 6, 2010
    Alcantara moved to Spain when he was three not 13!

    Other players you've mentioned, sure most of them played for recognizable clubs but how did their careers pan out? Were they prominent or bit part players or what not. Little to nothing is known about most of them! Most of them (perhaps all?) aren't even homegrown even though they were born in the Philippines. Therefore trying to lay claim to them just to make it seem like the Philippines produced notable players is clutching at straws to say the least!
  10. Pelefan

    Pelefan Member+

    Mar 17, 1999
    #510 Pelefan, Jan 28, 2017
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    Actually a genealogist found a document from the Alcantara family to US authorities, requesting permission to come back to the Philippines. It stated that they left the Philippines when Paulino was 8 y/o not 3( a figure based on speculation and not on historical data).

    As for the others, books from that era defenitely proved that football was thriving in Manila in the first quarter of the 20th century. One in particular(National Almanac and Guide of the Philippine Islands published by Puya and Minton in Manila in 1926) was in the possession of one of the writers in the Philippines and had a section entitled 'A history of soccer football in the Philippines' authored by Ignacio De Ycaza. It stated that football was so prominent at that time that to celebrate the opening of the Philippine Assembly in 1907, the first official football match was held, and the US Gov. Gen. at that time donated a silver cup for this event. Among the prominent footballers mentioned in the book was Paulino Alcantara who lived and played in the Philippines from 1916-1918 and won 2 Philippine club championships with the Bohemian Sporting club, before going back to Spain to play for Barcelona FC.

    Some of the names I mentioned above (Garchitorena for instance) also come from prominent families in the Philippines while some of the others were brought to the attention of the press by their family members themselves, who still reside in the Philippines. Acc. to a comment by one of Amechazurra's relatives(Manuel predated Alcantara at Barcelona FC), Manuel was sent to Spain to continue his education, but decided to play football instead.
  11. Pelefan

    Pelefan Member+

    Mar 17, 1999
    #511 Pelefan, Jan 28, 2017
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    Having said that, it is possible that many of the above players did indeed grow up in Spain. Nevertheless from their club's point of view, they are considered natives of the Philippines. For instance, a Filipina football official found out about Eduardo Teus, because the Philippine flag was displayed prominently along with a picture of Eduardo during the anniversary celebrations of Real Madrid CF at Santiago Bernabeu Stadium. There is no information on whether he grew up there or not, but it was typical of Spanish officials to list the place of origin or birth as a basis for categorizing a person. For instance a former Prime Minister of Spain, Marcelo Azcarraga is always mentioned as the only Prime Minister of Spain to come from the Philippines, where he was born, grew up and went to college(UST) before being sent to Spain.

    Eduardo Teus is considered a legend by Real Madrid.

    Here is his pic at the stadium alongside a more famous legend Zinedine Zidane from France, who you might be aware of. He played in the same era as Alcantara where they played against each other.

  12. Pelefan

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  13. vasilli07

    vasilli07 Member

    Aug 20, 2007
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
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  14. Pelefan

    Pelefan Member+

    Mar 17, 1999
    #514 Pelefan, Feb 12, 2017
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    New book on Philippine football detailing the prominence of the sport in the first half of the 20th century, its slow demise as basketball supplanted the sport and its resurgence since 2010:

    Football’s promise
    THE GAME OF MY LIFE By Bill Velasco (The Philippine Star) | Updated February 11, 2017 -

    Finally, the book “Philippine Football: Its Past, Its Future” is out on the market. It is a thorough, detailed, passionate look at how the world’s favorite game was once a treasured part of Filipino lives, and is gradually regaining the luster it once held in the country. Edited by renowned economist and professor Bernardo Villegas, Ph. D. of the University of Asia and the Pacific, it is the story of how intrepid men of earlier times helped the sport gain prominence, how it was eventually eclipsed by basketball, and details its return to prominence, particularly since 2010.

    The project was two years of data gathering, research, collecting, collating and curating of old photos, updating, and interviews with the players, coaches and officials who sculpted football’s early years until its peak in the 1950’s. The country’s most prestigious colleges and universities had their own rivalries that fired up the imagination of spectators and developed traditions that have since been seen in other sports. Inevitably though, the Americans’ infiltration of the educational system, victory in the Liberation in World War II and penetration of Filipino culture propelled basketball into greater prominence.

    Of course, all of this is in the hope that the proud history of Philippine football reaches a new audience, and that translates to a greater appreciation of the beautiful game.

    Though football’s growth may be gradual, it is steady, with palpable interest from the public and therefore, advertisers. This makes it a bigger responsibility for succeeding players to honor the sacrifice and commitment of their forebears and add their own police on the new face that Philippine football is showing the country.

    Filipinos of Spanish descent played a big part in its popularity back then and usually made up a sizeable chunk of many Philippine national football teams to the present day. Here is a pic of the 1930 Philippine national football team to illustrate that point:


    The Filipino Spaniard Ugartes in that picture have contributed 2 generations to the national team and a current one Antonio Ugarte, is trying to make it a 3rd in the present era.
  15. Pelefan

    Pelefan Member+

    Mar 17, 1999
    JAKARTA (3 Feb 2017) – After roping in a handful of naturalised players and in the process of registering a few more, the FA of Indonesia (PSSI) have upped the ante to identify several more.

    “Other than Ezra (Walian) whom we have confirmed, we have also identified several other players whom we are looking at to fill the position at right wing,” said Edy Rahmayadi, the president of the PSSI.

    “We are seriously looking at improving the quality of the backline too where at the moment, we are looking for a stopper and also players who can play at either left or right back.

    “We are only looking at real quality players and we have been doing just that. Most do not fit the bill as we are only looking for standouts. We are looking to make a strong preparation for the Asian Games.”

    Indonesia will be playing hosts to the Asian Games in 2018.
  16. Pelefan

    Pelefan Member+

    Mar 17, 1999
    18 February 2017
    Women’s Championship 2017 cancelled
    The 2017 edition of the AFF Women’s Championship has been called off following the 9th meeting of the AFF Council for the session 2015/2019.
    It was felt that since 2017 already have several major women’s tournaments, having another at the ASEAN level meet would defeat the purpose and lead to unnecessary use of funds.
    For this year, there’s already the AFC Under-16 Championship (hosted by Thailand) in September and also the AFC Under-19 Championship (hosted by China) in October.
    There will also be the SEA Games 2017 which will see the senior teams from around the region taking part in the tournament in Kuala Lumpur.
    At the same time too, following the decision for withdrawal, Indonesia have decided to take part in the first ever AFF U15 Girls’ Championship to be held in Vientiane, Laos on 8-20 May.
    Following Indonesia’s participation, the tournament will now see ten teams divided into two groups doing battle.
    Brunei have also decided to take part in the AFF Invitational Futsal Club Championship while New Zealand will be the invited guest for the AFF U18 Championship.
    Official draws were also conducted today to decide on the match-ups of the various competitions.

    GROUP A: Malaysia, Myanmar, Laos, Vietnam, Thailand
    GROUP B: Philippines, Singapore, Cambodia, Timor Leste, Indonesia

    GROUP A: Thailand, Timor Leste, Malaysia, Singapore, Cambodia, Laos
    GROUP B: Vietnam, Myanmar, Indonesia, Brunei, Philippines, New Zealand

    GROUP A: Myanmar, Malaysia, Laos, Philippines, Australia
    GROUP B: Thailand, Timor Leste, Brunei, Indonesia, Vietnam

    GROUP A: Australia, Thailand, Laos, Myanmar, Indonesia, Singapore
    GROUP B: Vietnam, Cambodia, Timor Leste, Malaysia, Philippines, Brunei
  17. Pelefan

    Pelefan Member+

    Mar 17, 1999
    #517 Pelefan, Feb 19, 2017
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    In the first of a three-part series. We take an in-depth look at all 12 of Southeast Asia’s domestic leagues. [​IMG]

    by Scott McIntyre
    Some have risen with great speed over the past decade or so, some have only been formed or revived over that same time frame whilst others have fallen on troubling times and others still are either on the verge of disappearing or mired in politics and corruption.

    The 12 nations that comprise the Southeast Asian region of the global footballing sphere are spread almost as far apart as any other ‘sub-grouping’ across FIFA – from Vietnam and Myanmar in the north across to the sprawl of the Philippines and all the way down to Australia.

    Alongside that vast geographic sprawl comes a similarly disparate range of standards amongst the local leagues in those nations.. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

    Ranking and comparing the strengths of various leagues is a difficult task and one that has no exact scientific formula but here FOX Sports Asia – in the first of a three-part series – takes a look at those leagues that are doing well and those that have to sharpen things up.

    OVERVIEW: Now the clear benchmark, along with Australia, in terms of both the national team and the standard of the domestic competition.

    A top flight that now consists of a greater number of clubs (18) than any other in the region and a crisp, linear, structure reaching into the lower tiers and regional leagues. Thailand is one of the standard bearers for Southeast Asian football.


    ACL/AFC CUP SLOTS: One direct and two ACL playoff slots


    STANDARD: A high quality, especially amongst the leading club sides with a very good technical level and rapidly improving tactical standard with a collection of former star players starting to transition nicely to the coaching ranks. Can be a touch individualistic at times but that is slowly changing and the TPL is also able to attract a good level of foreign talent.


    CROWDS/MARKETING: Fluctuates between clubs but the league as a whole has decent crowds although only two (Buriram and Nakhon Ratchasima) cracked the 10,000 average mark last season.

    The local press generally does an excellent job covering the league and there is a wide range of exposure of both clubs, players and the league as a whole.


    OVERVIEW: The fallen giant amongst the region; once a powerhouse in terms of glamour, crowds and spectacle, the S.League has leapt almost completely off a cliff over the past decade.

    The early days of the league in the late 1990s would regularly see huge crowds, widespread media interest and some fierce battles but after the honeymoon period wore off so did the ability of the administration to keep the league viable.

    Flirtation with the Malaysia league hurt, as did a lack of talent being produced and competing interests but the domestic competition is now a shell of its former self and amongst one of the worst in the region.

    There are bigger crowds of people waiting on most subway stations across the island nation than there are at S.League matches and faded foreign players way past their prime being hailed as ‘stars’ have only added to the misery.


    Aging stars have failed to boost the S.League.


    ACL/AFC CUP SLOTS: One ACL playoff spot and another in the AFC Cup.

    NUMBER OF DIFFERENT CHAMPIONS OVER THE PAST DECADE: Six (Singapore Armed Forces, Tampines, Etoile, Warriors, Brunei DPMM, Albirex Niigata)

    STANDARD: The handful of leading clubs have managed to hoard most of the national stars and as a result play some decent football but as we’ve seen in continental competition the playing and coaching standard is often found out at a higher level. Generally little tactical differentiation between the local clubs with a fairly poor technical and tactical standard right across the board.

    CROWDS/MARKETING: In one word – woeful. Some of the local media battles gainfully to cover the league but the governing body does little that is visible to aid that cause and can’t even seem to organise themselves enough to release the fixtures any earlier than the eve of kickoff.

    Crowds have fallen to the point where they are an open embarrassment and not even published on the official match reports.


    OVERVIEW: In many ways Brunei are on the same fast track to irrelevance as Singapore by having a team playing in a foreign league – ironically in the S.League.

    The local competition is left to flounder with a collection of poorly funded, essentially amateur clubs, battling away with the scraps left behind after Brunei DPMM have had their pick of the best local talent.

    Now in its’ fifth season as the ‘Super League’ after replacing the previous ‘Premier League’, the whole season only consists of 18 matches and even with cup clashes thrown in that is not any kind of level or duration that serves the purpose of trying to groom players for the national team.

    So poor are things that the governing body didn’t even bother to submit any clubs for entry to either the Champions League or AFC Cup and it’s hard to see how or when things will improve.



    NUMBER OF DIFFERENT CHAMPIONS OVER THE PAST DECADE: Three (Indera SC, MS ABDB, QAF FC) – although the league was either not held or suspended for three seasons.

    STANDARD: There are hardly any top-level coaches in the nation and as a result the quality of players that are being produced suffers as a result.

    That in turn means the league is of a below average level both tactically and technically with various ‘external factors’ having played havoc with the Super League as teams are excluded from the league and the schedule is thrown upside down.

    CROWDS/MARKETING: The league is not covered in any comprehensive manner by the local media and the Super League doesn’t even have an independent website, rather falling – in very rudimentary form – until the national association site.

    Crowds are small to non-existent and the overall state of the league is very poor across the board.


    OVERVIEW: Now in the eighth season of professional football, Myanmar has reaped the benefits of their push to increase the standard of the local competition with a collection of talented young players tasting success at youth level by reaching the Under-20 World.

    The senior team too showed in reaching the semifinals of the Suzuki Cup that regular, competitive, football is preparing the local players for the rigours of international football.


    The improvement has been reflected in the form of the national team.

    Some decent foreign talent has been drawn to the league and matches are often well attended by vocal – and colourful – supporters which has seen the Myanmar National league (MNL) continue to grow and strengthen year on year.

    The challenge will be to keep the best local stars at home as other clubs throughout the region have recognised the quality of player being produced by the MNL and may soon start to raid the league.

    A push to spread the league into other regions of the country outside of Yangon is difficult for various reasons but is a key factor that needs to be improved to strengthen the league overall.


    ACL/AFC CUP SLOTS: One ACL playoff slot and two direct AFC Cup entrants.


    STANDARD: As evidenced by the fact that only two clubs have won the league in its eight-year existence the best talent and resources are concentrated in just a small number of teams with the rest largely battling to make up the numbers.

    This naturally reduces the overall standard of the league although the top 3-4 clubs are full of technically sound players who like to play an attractive, attack-minded, up-tempo brand of football.

    The leading clubs, especially Yangon United – are also investing heavily in both youth facilities and general infrastructure and really helping to lift the level of the league.

    CROWDS/MARKETING: There are posters plastered all over Yangon – where the vast majority of matches are held – and the league is both fairly well attended and publicised.

    Foreign experts and consultants have been brought in to assist with further growing the league and the local authorities seem to have things headed in the right direction.


    Ranking Southeast Asia’s domestic football leagues: Part 2

    In part two of a three-part series we take a look at the state of domestic football in the Philippines, Cambodia, Laos and Indonesia. [​IMG]

    OVERVIEW: Alongside Timor-Leste, and perhaps even in a league of their own, Laos stands as a giant black eye for football in the region.. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

    As many as eight clubs and counting withdrew from the ‘Premier’ League at the end of last season and somehow that included the defending champions (and only genuinely professional club) in Lanexang United.

    Virtually the entire team of the other ‘big’ club in the country, Lao Toyota, were earlier this week handed life bans for match fixing and the Lao Federation has been sprucing/begging for entries for the new league (start date still unknown) via Facebook.

    It’s unknown if there will be any professional clubs entering this league or indeed what format it will take – all this in the month where it was to have started; football in Laos is an unbridled embarrassment and there is seemingly little being done to fix it.

    NUMBER OF TEAMS: Unknown (but likely between 6-10)

    ACL/AFC CUP SLOTS: Two AFC Cup slots (but in reality only one via the playoffs after Lanexang folded)

    NUMBER OF DIFFERENT CHAMPIONS OVER THE PAST DECADE: Nine (Lao American College, Lao Army, Lao Bank, YOTHA FC, Lao Police, SHB Champasak, Hoang Anh Attapeu, Lao Toyota, Lanexang)

    STANDARD: When the league was in a semi-orderly manner for the past couple of seasons the gap between Lanexang (champions by six points) and Lao Toyota and the rest of the league was widening to a massive level with little sign of being closed.

    Now, with those clubs both as a good as gone whatever league the LFF manage to thrown together will be similar to a park-standard tournament in most Southeast Asian nations and there has to be grave fears for the future of football growth and development in the nation.

    CROWDS/MARKETING: There are reports that Lanexang have not been paid their prize money from last year, that the referees have also not been paid and the league as a whole was very poorly marketed with the leading clubs clearly carrying the load for the rest of the competition with the AFC needing to urgently step in and try and clean up the sport from the top down.


    OVERVIEW: Out of the ashes of the seven-year old United Football League (UFL) comes the new Philippines Football League (PFL), set to be launched in April.

    This is being marketed as the first ‘truly’ professional league in the history of the nation and certainly in terms of national reach it fits that bill with teams set to be based in Manila, Bacolod, Cebu, Cavite, Laguna and possibly Davao.

    Considering that the UFL was for the most part an exclusively metro Manila-based tournament (even if teams were officially ‘based’ elsewhere) this is truly a positive move.

    The problem is that scant details are in place less than two months out from the mooted start of the ‘revolutionary’ league and despite excitement at the promise of the PFL if things get off to a rocky start then sponsors and broadcasters may not stay interested for too long.

    NUMBER OF TEAMS: Uncertain but likely 8-10

    ACL/AFC CUP SLOTS: One ACL playoff and two AFC Cup group stage entrants

    NUMBER OF DIFFERENT CHAMPIONS OVER THE PAST DECADE: Five (Philippine Air Force, Global, Loyola Sparks, Kaya, Stallion)

    STANDARD: Yet to be determined but it will need to be a step up from the UFL to really have the impact that everybody in the Philippines hopes and that is to be grow the interest in the sport locally and to provide more home-grown talents for the national team.

    Although the popularity of the sport is growing steadily, the Philippines remain (along with Australia) the only Southeast Asian nation where football is not the main game in town and poor crowds at the recent AFF Suzuki Cup that they co-hosted were a black eye for football administrators in the country.

    Many of the local players are technically gifted and there have been a handful of decent foreigners who have helped to raise the level a notch but much needs to be done to send football into the mainstream orbit and the PFL is hopefully a step in the right direction.

    CROWDS/MARKETING: There has been a good deal of interest in the PFL but that will need to be capitalised successfully given the UFL struggled for both mainstream media exposure and sponsors throughout its entire existence.

    OVERALL GRADE: Nominal B- given the need to ensure the new league gets off to a flying start and it’s not yet clear that will be the case.

    OVERVIEW: One of the oldest leagues in the region, the C-League has been running in one form or another since 1982 although it’s never really given off the impression of being a slickly run, truly professional, league likes those in other nations across Southeast Asia.

    Match-fixing claims both proven and otherwise have dogged the league for decades but at least there continues to be a constant stream of technically sound players emerging from the league.

    Much of that can be put down to the solid grassroots work being down by a handful of clubs, notably Phnom Penh Crown, but there is much to be done in terms of marketing and the overall tactical level of the competition to raise the C-League to the next tier of leagues in the region.


    ACL/AFC CUP SLOTS: Two AFC Cup playoff slots.

    NUMBER OF DIFFERENT CHAMPIONS OVER THE PAST DECADE: Four (Phnom Penh Crown, Naga Corp, Boeung Ket, Svay Rieng)

    STANDARD: Power has long been concentrated in a small handful of clubs and as is the case in Myanmar that has often led to lopsided contests and only a couple of clubs remaining in the title hunt as the league hits the home straight.

    The competition is in dire need of more experienced tactical nous from outside the country to help guide and hone the impressive stock of raw playing talent that emerges from the provinces right across the country.

    The move of star forward Chan Vathanaka to Japan has the potential to do wonders for the next wave of young stars coming through the league and they will see – for the first time – that there is now a genuine pathway to bigger leagues abroad.

    CROWDS/MARKETING: There has long been issues with covering the league and certain ‘favours’ are often needed to be done to ensure so and crowds are also fairly modest compared to those in other nations across the region.


    OVERVIEW: After years of starts, re-starts, bans and turnover football in Indonesia has made that nation’s political scene seem relatively straightforward.

    2017 brings yet another new dawn with the launch of the newly named Liga Satu (League One) that aims to bring all the warring groups together and herald the start of a new era of organisation and prosperity for a nation who was last year welcomed back into the international arena after a previous FIFA ban.


    ACL/AFC CUP SLOTS: None (although they are aiming to submit an entry for the 2018 season onwards)

    NUMBER OF DIFFERENT CHAMPIONS OVER THE PAST DECADE: Five (Persipura Jayapura, Arema, Sriwijaya, Bandung, Semen Padang)

    STANDARD: With all the changes over the past decade the league has ebbed and flowed between being able to attract decent foreigners and keep their best talent to having poorly run clubs constantly turning over players and coaches and that has led to a wide range of quality on the pitch.

    Technically the Indonesian players are some of the best in Asia and if this supposed new era can help harness that raw talent with some more commanding tactical control then the league can really grow.

    For now though, in what’s something even close to resembling the first proper league for several seasons it’s still unknown just what the quality will be like, although there have been some encouraging signs in the ongoing President’s Cup tournament.

    CROWDS/MARKETING: This is another great unknown although given just how passionate Indonesian fans are for the game – and especially for the local product – we can expect large crowds to flock to the various venues around the country and the local media always does a good job in supporting the sport.

    OVERALL GRADE: B- (This is as much a predictive grade given the huge number of variables around the latest incarnation of the league but with a few seasons of stability this could easily improve)
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  18. vasilli07

    vasilli07 Member

    Aug 20, 2007
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
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  19. Pelefan

    Pelefan Member+

    Mar 17, 1999
    The FA of Indonesia (PSSI) have shortlisted 12 naturalised players to attend trials for the Under-18 team which will compete at the AFF U18 Championship later in the year.
    The AFF Under-18 Championship will be held on 4-17 September 2017 in Yangon, Myanmar.

    Official trials under head coach Indra Sjafri will be held in April and should they make the cut, they will also be eligible to play for the AFC U19 qualifiers (October).

    “If Luis (Milla, the Indonesian national head coach) should require it, then there is every possibility that they might also play for the U22 team for the SEA Games (in August),” Sjafri added.


    Sammuel Christianson – Spain

    Syahrian Abimanyu – Spain

    Nicholas Pambudi – Spain

    Pancar Nur Widiantono – Spain

    Adam Putra Firdaus – Spain

    Excel Favour YT – Italy

    Fidelis Kelby Timothy – Italy

    Muhammad R Habibie – Italy

    George Brown – England

    Jack Brown – England

    Charalamboss Elias David – Greece

    Andri Syahputra – Qatar

    I think Indonesia has the potential to be a really good team in ASEAN perhaps eventually challenging Thailand for supremacy with this additions and others. They have even added a really good coach acc. to tatotop on the Indonesian thread.

    After appointed former Real Zaragoza and Spain U-21 coach Luis Milla as a head coach of Indonesia National Team and Indonesia U-23, it seems Indonesia FA trying to Naturalized a few Footballers in Europe who has Indonesian Blood, but this time they only looking for young footballers.

    Some of the Players that might be in their target :

    1. Ezra Walian (Ajax Amsterdam)

    His Father is Indonesian, His mom is Dutch. His Naturalization Process is almost finish, probably only need to come to Indonesia to take the oath. Former Member of Netherland U-18

    2. Kevin Diks Bakarbessy (Fiorentina/Italy, loaned to Vitesse)

    Dutch Nationality, one of his Grandparent is from Indonesia. His older brother is also a footballer and playing in Slovenia. Member of Netherland U-21

    3. Emilio Audero Mulyadi (Juventus/Italy)

    Italian Nationality. His Father is Indonesian, His mom is Italian. One of the best Young Goalkeeper in Italy at the moment. Former member of Italy U-18.

    4. Sandy Walsh (K.R.C Genk/Belgium)

    Dutch Nationality. His Grandparents from his mother are from Indonesia. He is mixed blood of Irish, Belgian, Indonesian. Former Member of Netherland U-20.

    5. Joey Suk (Go Ahead Eagles/Netherland)
  20. Pelefan

    Pelefan Member+

    Mar 17, 1999
    Ranking Southeast Asian domestic football leagues: Part 3

    OVERVIEW: Without question one of the most fervently passionate footballing nations in the region yet one whose league has lurched from huge crowds and some attractive styles of play to the folding of former champions and one scandal after another.

    That’s often achieved even in the space of barely the lone season.

    The emergence of JDT as a truly professional, forward-looking club has prompted others into action and with next year the deadline for clubs to have meet wide-ranging, league-imposed, benchmarks over how they run their organisations the future is a promising one for football in the nation.


    ACL/AFC CUP SLOTS: One ACL playoff spot and two group stages entrants for the AFC Cup.


    STANDARD: Varies widely with a handful of teams at the top tending to monopolise the best talent and by extension play the best football. Across the board though there is a worrying level of tactical innovation outside of a handful of coaches and the influence of agents and others in taking their cut of transfers means that player turnover is at times totally out of control.

    That, in turn, leads to instability and inconsistency on the pitch whilst the raw technical level of the local players is also not at the same level of many of the other nations in the region.

    CROWDS/MARKETING: One of the main problems faced by the league is the pervasive influence of the long-running Malaysia Cup as well as other enforced breaks throughout the season that tends to see the league play second fiddle at times.

    The fact the whole season is woefully short at just 22 matches also means that it’s seemingly over before it’s begun and there needs to be a far greater emphasis placed on this as the rock for Malaysian football to construct a brighter future upon.


    OVERVIEW: Rapidly emerging as one of the most entertaining, technically outstanding leagues in the region with some passionate, knowledgeable support and a highly competitive league competition.

    After mismanagement and match-fixing issues dogged the league for many years things seem to be getting cleaned up recently and the focus is back on the football, even if there are the occasional ‘bizarre’ events such as those which we saw at the start of last year when Hanoi FC promptly upped and moved to Ho Chi Minh City a couple of weeks into the season.

    The V.League and VFF do an excellent job of trying to promote their league to an international audience and the standard of players being produced by some well-run academies is helping to raise the level on the pitch.


    ACL/AFC CUP SLOTS: One ACL playoff and two AFC group stage slots.

    NUMBER OF DIFFERENT CHAMPIONS OVER THE PAST DECADE: Four (Hanoi T&T, Binh Duong, Da Nang, Song Lam Nghe An,)

    STANDARD: With the academy setups at Hanoi T&T, Hoang Anh Gia Lai and elsewhere pouring impressive resources into developing young talent the league is suddenly flush with a crop of newly found, ‘modern’ footballers who are technically superb, comfortable on the ball and tactical able to read the flow of a match and the league is benefiting from this across the board.

    The fact that those young stars have often been sent abroad for a season or two to hone their skills can only further increase the overall level of competition upon their return and whilst it would be good to see more foreign coaches in the V.League to further expand the tactical framework there’s no question that technically Vietnam is in the very top tier of Southeast Asian nations.

    CROWDS/MARKETING: The league is active on various social media platforms and coverage of the game – both digital and print-wise – is extensive and often passionately presented.

    There seems to be a real push to try and grow the game and cast of the dark shadows of the recent past and Vietnam is doing a lot of things in this regard very well.


    OVERVIEW: The standard of television production is very good and the crowds are – easily – the best in the region, at least until Indonesia gets its act together.

    The fact that there still remains only ten clubs in the competition remains a real issue though, as does the fact that there is no promotion or relegation which can lead to a stale element creeping into things as the season wears on.

    Australia is also the only nation in the region to have a playoff series which brings with its positives and negatives and while technically the standard is not of the same level as several other Southeast Asian leagues the overall ‘package,’ especially around the marketing of the sport means that it should be seen as one of the better leagues in the region, despite the A-League being barely a decade old.


    ACL/AFC CUP SLOTS: Two direct and one ACL playoff spot.

    NUMBER OF DIFFERENT CHAMPIONS OVER THE PAST DECADE: Six (Melbourne Victory, Newcastle, Sydney FC, Brisbane, Central Coast, Adelaide)

    STANDARD: Australia remains the only Southeast Asian nation to have won the Asian Champions League following Western Sydney’s success in 2014.

    Other clubs have done well in Asia and that speaks volumes to the standard of talent that features in the league as the competition is also able to attract a better calibre of import than any other league across the region.

    Technically, things can be a little ordinary at times but matches are generally played with a high intensity and the physical level is easily the best in Southeast Asia.

    CROWDS/MARKETING: The league is generally fairly well marketed and the crowds are very strong across the board but especially in the larger cities of Melbourne and Sydney.

    With the league adopting a salary cap it has lead to a very level playing field as the fact that there have been six different champions in the past decade points to and that helps to maintain interest from fans of most clubs, most seasons.

    The finals series – where six of the ten clubs reach the post-season – whilst clearly far too high also aids with maintaining interest and crowds right until the final stages of the season.


    OVERVIEW: Along with Laos, Timor remains the nation with the poorest professional league standards across Southeast Asia.

    After years of poorly-run, shoddy leagues that were virtually that in name only an attempt was made to get things back on track last year with the launch of the Liga Amadora.

    After starting with a blaze of publicity following some high-profile Indonesian signings, many of those players quietly departed and the league passed by without a huge deal of interest either home or abroad.

    There are though a handful of passionate and dedicated individuals working behind the scenes to try and professionalize the league and hope is high that things may start to improve shortly.



    NUMBER OF DIFFERENT CHAMPIONS OVER THE PAST DECADE: The league has not been run in any consistent, viable format for much of the past decade although SLB Laulara were crowned the inaugural Liga Amadora champions in 2016.

    STANDARD: The local Timorese players are technically gifted and physically strong which means many of the raw ingredients are there for the league to be a success if things can continue to grow and develop.


    The addition of some more experienced players from Indonesia is also helping to raise the standard but for now there is little to no foreign expertise being brought in to help raise the tactical standard and it could be a while until the Timorese reach the standard of other Southeast Asian nations although it bares worth repeating that there are some very impressive individuals working to try and accomplish this.

    CROWDS/MARKETING: Presently there is very little visibility or interest in the league although with the groups working feverishly to promote and develop the sport the hope is that this will quickly improve.

  21. Bluebirds Boyo

    Nov 26, 2006
    Bangkok, Thailand
    Nat'l Team:
    Interesting summary, there. I've been looking at visiting a few grounds in countries neighbouring Thailand. Those grades, though. I mean, there's generosity and then there's awarding the Laotian league a D when there is no Laotian league. What exactly do you have to do to get an F? This is like GCSE media studies all over again...
  22. Pelefan

    Pelefan Member+

    Mar 17, 1999
  23. Edgar

    Edgar Member

    Regarding ACL/ACC slots, Scott McIntyre could have done a bit more research.

    Singapore had 1 direct ACC spot and one in the ACC playoff.
    Cambodia's two ACC playoff spots where an exception, due to a CAS ruling regarding Phnom Penh Crown.
    Timor-Leste and Brunei Darussalam got ACC playoff slots, but did not submit any club entries.
    Assuming everthing is OK (no FIFA ban, officials doing their job etc.), Indonesia would get 1 ACL playoff spot and 2 ACC group stage spots.

    If all MAs would submit club entries, these would be the allocations for ASEAN:

    2+0: Vietnam, Malaysia, Indonesia
    1+1: Myanmar, Philippines, Singapore
    0+1: Laos, Cambodia, Brunei Darussalam, Timor-Leste

    with these pairings:

    MYA 2 vs. (BRU 1 vs. TLS 1)
    PHI 2 vs. CAM 1
    SIN 2 vs. LAO 1
  24. Pelefan

    Pelefan Member+

    Mar 17, 1999
  25. Pelefan

    Pelefan Member+

    Mar 17, 1999
    Phillippines reiterates opposition to ASL after launch of new pro league

    South-east Asia will welcome a new professional league later this month, with the Philippines Football League (PFL) poised for its official launch on April 21.

    With the eight-team PFL, which kicks off eight days later, taking the sport to football-mad regions in the Central Visayas and Southern Philippines, there is understandable excitement in the Philippines Football Federation (PFF).

    And their stance on the proposed Asean Super League (ASL) is clear: No, thank you.

    PFF general secretary Edwin Gastanes told The New Paper yesterday: "We have been forthright in our stand, and we must be honest - we must focus, prioritise and give emphasis to our pro league.

    "We lack sufficient numbers of local players - clubs are fighting it out for them, and there have even been shouting matches (between the clubs) already.

    "I believe people will understand. Our investors are limited, we have limited resources, but have high hopes for the league," added the lawyer, who asserts that the federation will not stand in the way of any organisation that wants to join the ASL.

    Apr 13, 2017
    First conceived over a decade ago, the ASL project has gone through several setbacks, and it remains to be seen if it will get off the ground.

    Long periods of silence from its organisers have not helped to clear up the situation, although a 10-team league has been tentatively pencilled in for kick-off next year.

    In a nation crazy about basketball and boxing, support for football has been growing.

    The men's national team are now the top South-east Asian team in the Fifa rankings - they are in 127th place, two spots ahead of Thailand.

    Their clubs have also been turning in decent performances in second-tier regional tournament, the Asian Football Confederation (AFC) Cup.

    The Philippines' women's team recently qualified for the AFC Women's Asian Cup next year.

    Red Card Global, a sports marketing agency led by former Singapore international R Sasikumar, holds the exclusive commercial rights to the PFL.

    Said Sasi: "There is a 100 million population in a country that is showing growth in football, and this on a platform of 300,000 children playing at the grassroots level.

    "With the national teams doing well, it is really about creating a product that fans can enjoy. We don't have massive money like Major League Soccer did when it first started, but it is about putting money in the right places and growing the sport."

    A deal signed yesterday between the Philippine national broadcaster PTV and the PFL will see two "live" matches screened over the weekend, with delayed telecasts and a highlights show also thrown in.

    Said Gastanes, who hopes to attract more sponsors: "There is tremendous regionalistic rivalry in the Philippines, and this league will take football into the communities of those regions that are hotbeds of Philippine football.

    "We have plans to implement promotion and relegation after three years, and there has already been some interest from people who want to own franchises, but my only wish is that we get the full complement of sponsors by April 29."

    • Ceres Negros
    • Davao Aguilas
    • Global Cebu
    • Ilocos United
    • JPV Marikina
    • Kaya FC-Makati
    • Stallion Laguna
    • Loyola Meralco Sparks.

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