You're goddamn right about that, that's why he is in Cooperstown while Barry Bonds is not, Junior played the game clean, that's why he one of THE greatest players ever, the best to ever wear a Seattle Mariners uniform (some might say Edgar Martinez), and he also conducted himself with uber-class!!!
That's just wrong. The same med with different physiology is going to work differently, it gives a different effect to different people.
I'm against PEDs because I love things that are on the edges of human achievement. It's not impressive or memorable to me that Bonds had the years he did while so clearly being on steroids. I want to be awed by what a person can do and PED use lessens my enjoyment of those things. In the same way I'm less impressed by somebody who wrote music or made art while high; it's less you that did it and more the drug.
That's crazy man; you must not like very many things. Where do you draw the line? Smoking and drinking kill more people per year than drugs; do you hate art made by raging alcoholics or chain smokers?
i fire my employees when they show up to work with a coffee. Like I'm paying you to work, not the coffee.
Not playing in Europe is a huge advantage for an elite squad IMO Not only do you lose all those games, but then also you have no UEFA testing
Exactly This is what Tucker bangs on about in relation to Chris Froome Froome was a journeyman rider on the fringes of the tour who suddenly became the best TdF rider ever. Not only that, but he started beating performances by doped riders. How can this be explained? Certainly not by marginal gains, and indeed we now know a good part of it was be taking steroids that dropped his weight massively. This is why I don't believe the Vardy fairytale either. He was a journeyman player who suddenly started posting elite numbers. But not only that, numerous other journey men also became elite all at once! Look at Fuchs, Albrighton, Simpson, Drinkwater as well Only Kante and Mahrez have more believable careers
I only dismiss Marginal Gains in the Team SKY context In other words there must be a physiological and scientific bases to go faster, or longer or whatever. So I can believe if you sleep better, or sleep in recovery time or whatever you can get marginal performance increases. But there won't be any relative gain if all the other teams already do this. Similarly you can't run faster than doped up Ben Johnson in 1988, just because you bring your pillow from home.
I'm not even sure what you're saying here Barry Bonds was already the greatest, A Rod was already super human. Also if anyone here thinks that Griffey>>>Bonds you're smoking crack. BEFORE PED Barry Lamar Bonds was already the GOAT. Do the numbers
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This is a bit much. Bonds hit 475 home runs after he hit 30. I don't know if I'd say Griffey >>> Bonds, but Griffey played center field and not left, and Bonds walked more (a lot more), Griffey absolutely mashed more than Bonds did. If someone were to ask me whether I'd rather have had Bonds or Griffey until age 30, I'd pick Griffey every single time. Also have to recognize how badly Griffey fell off a cliff after 30. He missed the equivalent of two seasons between ages 31 and 34, and despite that, Griffey and Bonds have similar numbers through age 34. Also, the idea that Bonds was the greatest of all time before you started seeing lots of data suggesting juicing doesn't really hold up. His numbers are great, but there have been so many good outfielders who have numbers that are just as good, if not better.
Want to see it, but the likes of Mays/Mantle/Williams blow Bonds' OPS+ numbers through age 34 out of the water.
Nah Bonds was better than Griffey before 30. He had 3 MVPs before he was 30. And Bonds stayed healthy while Griffey had injury issues. Bonds Career WAR was higher than Griffey's at the same age. Higher OPS as well. Like anyone saying Bonds wasn't better than Griffey in the 90s, or at similar intervals of their careers is talking reckless.
I just said Griffey was the greatest of the era NOT to juice. Not necessarily a comparison between their talent levels. But overall for me, it's basically a push between the two. I grew up in Cincinnati and was a senior in high school when Griffey came home... I was so damn excited. He still had some greatness, but it never quite worked out. I was at the Reds-Cubs game in 2003 when he dislocated his shoulder. All that said, remember how fun the homerun race was in 1998? And when Brady Anderson hit 50 homeruns?