Guys please llevensen su pelea pa otro thread, esto no es sobre Messi o Maradona Chile o Argentina.... Se esta cuestionando si Brazil ha perdido el rotulo de potencia o no. Creo que todos estamos de acuerdo en que Argetina lo es
La holanda del 2010 era mas bien veterana: stekelemburg, van der wiel (unico joven), mathijsen, heitinga, gio, van bommel, de jong, sneijder, kuyt, van persie y robben. La ultima si tuvo bastantes jovenes......pero salvo blind en la parte de atras, todos los que sacaron la cara fueron los 3 expermientados
solo falta que le digan choker a ronaldo por no ser campeon de europa o llegar al 5th partido en un mundial o que le digan lo mismo a Neymar pero a messi? eso es como envidia de la mala o senilidad de la buena
Es por eso que te digo, cuand vio esa Holanda yo pense que ivan a dejar de ser potencia porque no veia recambio, pero por lo que dejo Van Gaal logro estirar el respeto de Holanda. Ser eliminados de la Euro es un golpe durisimo y creo que depende de lo que hagan en el prox mundial se bajan de el escalon de potencia o no. O ya con la eliminacion es suficiente?
Lo de Messi es un tema complicado y mejor ni hablar de eso porque uno abre un can of worms como dicen los gringos. Sobre lo de las potencias me parece interesante y que caracteristicas tienen que tener para ser potencia. Por eso no quiero que desvien el tema
Because whenever we play against Argentina, and we do it to them, they always seemed as if they love it. We thought, as if all the people who live at both sides of the river plate, were alike. Now, we finally found out that the ones who live at eastern side of it, don't like it the same as their relatives from the western part of it. You always learn something new every day.
I think you guys are trying to invite other teams into a different kind of party- maybe you can continue to shine some light on this. You guys were the only team to do that. . . maybe you do like it- those haircuts were dead-give aways
rikidog...lo anterior esta en fuera de lugar vos mostras los gustos de ese tipo que echaron de la copa - como si fueran los gustos de los demas chilenos no se vale, semejante cochinada de orientacion sexual back to soccer dude
Totalmente de acuerdo, es fuera de lugar. Pero en realidad, es solo mofa (si es que no te has dado cuenta), sobre lo que esta posteando la contraparte.
So back to the topic of thread, regarding some teams ability to maintain their status as power houses. My opinion is that the teams that are great, will continue to be great in the long run. There are ebb-and-flows and sometimes there is down periods, but don't bet on Brasil not winning in the long run (or Argentina). Likewise, countries that traditionally suck and never won a major tournament, might be able to steal a tournament (specially if they play it a home, dead give away that its an exception) but the countries that suck will return to suck in the long run. Look at the long projection
I'm willing to make a bet that they don't win- for starters This is not for this thread, but who is willing to bet that Chile wins it?
Very well. We all make our bets. I only asked because you were equally confident Chile wouldn't win against your team a few weeks ago (you actually said your team would embarrass Chile in front of all of humanity)... and your prediction didn't come true. Therefore, I'm not sure you're that reliable when it comes to predictions. EDIT: if Chile goes to the final and loses to Germany 1-0, 2-1, or 3-2, would that be an embarrassment?
yeah, and those down periods may last for over 22 years, in some very special cases. Of course for Brazil, they've still managed to win some silverware along the way, so their power status remains among the top. For me, there are only 2 teams in the world, whom remain at the top level : Germany and Brazil. The rest, are at least one step below.
A thread from 2009, about Argentina, turns to a 2015 tournament... and to Brazil. I think the question might be more appropriately worded, "Is Argentina still a top title contender?" To that, the question is yes. Its players are in UEFA's best clubs, it went far in the 2014 World Cup and 2015 Copa América, and despite results like the 4-0 vs. Germany in 2010, it's always a tough opponent. The problem for Argentina however, IMO, is twofold. 1. Argentina hasn't translated its reputation and talent into title wins. It has fallen short in several cup tournaments for more than 20 years, and while it is always a fearsome opponent in any competition, it's not won those cups it wanted. A surprising statistic is that since the round of 16 in 1990, when it achieved a 1-0 win against Brazil, Argentina hasn't defeated a major world power/powerhouse in 90 minutes in World Cup competition. It has won on PKs, but it hasn't won in 90 minutes. (Which by itself doesn't mean Argentina is to be taken lightly; Brazil hasn't done all that well against powerhouses either for a while.) 2. The comparison for Argentina, like it or not, is Brazil. This isn't even about the rivalry factor. While Uruguay has a very successful resume, it "fell from the top" decades ago, and now the big two in CONMEBOL are Argentina and Brazil. Brazil's several cup wins starting from 1994, with the last one being the 2013 Confeds, casts a large and powerful shadow over Argentina's frustrations in cup competitions. None of this is "guaranteed" to continue. Heck, Argentina might win Russia 2018 and Brazil 2019, and Brazil might go 8, 12, or 16 years more without a cup title. If this happens, both will still be seen as major powers. And if Brazil starts winning again AND Argentina fails to win for several years more, both will continue to be taken very seriously.
Besides that bet is nothing special, most likely they would have to beat freaking Germany, something Argentina havent been able to do for quite some time. Chile have a great squad and world cup experience, plus finally they manage to win an important tournament such as Copa America, so they will do great in this cup
Their confidence is definitely up, and they will be hungry. However, much can happen in 2 years. The question becomes whether Chile will still be as strong in 2017 as it was in 2015.
yeah. that sounds like a smart opinion. . . a very smart ranking system. . maybe you can start a world ranking system where you rank all the countries in the world. . . and you can call the FIFA World Rankings and you can make this list your own and . . . ohh, wait a minute, they already have this ranking list! WTF!!! someone quick CHECK to see who's currently #1 so we can end this conversation
Well, if you are not aware of it. This topic is not about the FIFA ranking. It is about who is a power house and who is not one. And as the current top ranked team at adult level, hasn't won anything in the last 20 years, they can't hold the badge of being a powerhouse at all. Lots of other teams, including some "third tier" teams have actually done lots more than them.
"Lot's more" you won one freaking tournament, your only tournament EVER, and you had to win it at home, on penalties, after several games with very questionable refereeing. I guess this is what passes as football intelligence now
For starters we will have to look at the main elements in their squad. Valdivia Alexis Vidal Bravo Medel... is safe so assume all of them will be present in 2017, the big question marc could be Valdivia though As for their young upcoming talent I dont know much about it and thats another good indication on how they should do in the future
Do you consider Belgium a "superpower"/"potência mundial?" Belgium is ranked #3 below only Argentina and Germany, and ahead of Brazil, England, Spain, Uruguay, France, and Italy. But Belgium has no World Cup titles, and no European titles (England has none, but England at least won the 1966 World Cup).
Belgium is a good nation, but over the long history you can't call them a powerhouse. Look, some of this is obviously subjective, but when it comes to opining whether the traditional power houses (German, Brazil, Argentina & Italy) are still power houses, that is objective. I can predict, and I have (to very close perfection), the semi-finals to every WC since I've been watching b/c its almost always the usual suspects. You can always count on some teams "being there" as no surprise. And yes, sometimes there are nice surprises, but for the most parts its always been the same.
Well if you compare this argentina 2000-2006 there is an improvement in their squad and even more so today with a more matured messi. I know they lack a title but they are closer than ever. Its a shame that they met a really strong Germany in the final (stronger than 2006 &2010) we could argue that they lost this copa America but Chile is going through a golden generation. Im not excusing them but giving some sort of context to show that they have improved indeed. On the other hand if you look at Brazil results from the mid 90's to about 2007 (when Kaka won the last ballon d'or) and last copa America, we see a drop in Brazil results plus strength in their squad at least in the paper. I mean this is the 2nd time in a row thst Brazil doesnt reach even a semifinal in Copa America, before 2007 that was untinkable. Or the results in 2010 wc was also very surpising