Aren't we a Christian Nation? Torture Report Released.

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  1. dapip

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    http://www.cnn.com/2014/12/09/politics/cia-torture-report/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

    The CIA's harsh interrogations of terrorist detainees during the Bush era didn't work, were more brutal than previously revealed and delivered no "ticking time bomb" information that prevented an attack, according to an explosive Senate report released Tuesday.

    The majority report issued by the Senate Intelligence Committee is a damning condemnation of the tactics -- branded by critics as torture -- the George W. Bush administration deployed in the fear-laden days after the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks. The techniques, according to the report, were "deeply flawed," poorly managed and often resulted in "fabricated" information.
    The report is reigniting the partisan divide over combating terrorism that dominated Washington a decade ago. Democrats argue the tactics conflict with American values while leading members of the Bush administration insist they were vital to preventing another attack.
     
  2. JohnR

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    That's not what Fox told me.
     
  3. dapip

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    You have my attention.
     
  4. ceezmad

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    Well the inquisition was a very Christian thing, right?
     
  5. cleansheetbsc

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    Well the whole symbol of Christianity would be considered a torture device.
     
  6. ceezmad

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    An anti-Semitic one, it is a Jewish person on it after all.
     
  7. JohnR

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    Oh nothing special, just saying I spent 8 years hearing how we should thank God that we had W as a leader to deal with the swarthies, because he knew how to be tough, and he knew how to gather the intelligence that kept America safe. Not like this Obama guy, who is soft on our enemies and who is easy to fool. But that W, you can't get anything by him. Like a hawk he is.
     
  8. minerva

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    do you mean Old Testament Christian or New Testament Christian?
     
  9. cleansheetbsc

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    Ovens and gas chambers are the new crucifix.
     
  10. ceezmad

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    Imagine some one wearing a neck chain with Jesus in a gas chamber :eek:
     
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  11. White/Blue_since1860

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  12. dapip

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    There are too many horrible things to be found. Greenwald seems to be reading the report to find them:

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    Hardly surprising if you know the mindset of some people at the CIA and if you are familiar with Escuela de las Americas.
     
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  13. dapip

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    http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/12/...ute-senior-bush-officials-for-torture-crimes/

    Ben Emmerson, United Nations special rapporteur on human rights and counter-terrorism, said senior Bush administration officials who planned and authorized crimes must be prosecuted, along with as CIA and other U.S. government officials who committed torture such as waterboarding.

    “As a matter of international law, the U.S. is legally obliged to bring those responsible to justice,” Emmerson said in a statement issued in Geneva. “The U.S. Attorney General is under a legal duty to bring criminal charges against those responsible.”

    Wouldn't that be something?
     
  14. superdave

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    1. I hope my pastor preaches on this on Sunday. If not, I'm gonna mention it in Sunday School afterward.
    2. I'd like to think it shouldn't matter, that we would acknowledge that torture is wrong, but the torture didn't even work. I also wish the fact that it didn't work would matter, but evidence doesn't matter when it comes to tax policy or environmental policy either.
     
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  15. M

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    So how long before Dick Cheney pronounces that the report is completely wrong?
     
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  16. dapip

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  17. dapip

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    'Murica! We're awesomest!

     
  18. soccernutter

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    When reading this, I thought
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    Which led, quite naturally, when reading
    to thinking

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  19. soccernutter

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    BTW, it is not torture, it is "harsh interrogation."
     
  20. Cascarino's Pizzeria

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    Our elites never have to worry about being prosecuted any longer. It's most ungentlemanly or something.
     
  21. argentine soccer fan

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    Crucify the terrorists!
     
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  22. HerthaBerwyn

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    Deliberate ignorance is the same as complicity. Who do we blame more? The Dallas finger painter or the Wyoming Palpatine? As Chancellor Bethmann-Holweg asked the Kaiser, when does malfeasance become deliberately criminal?
     
  23. Umar

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    Yet when Abu zubaydah was being tortured and wasn't deemed to be cooperating (he didn't actually know that much), Bush apparently demanded to know who authorised for him to be given pain killers for his potentially lethal injuries (he was almost killed during his arrest by the Pakistani military). Sure enough the pain killers stopped and the torture continued.

    So you have an agency torturing people all over the world, with an overseeing President wanting to know the minutae of everything when it suits, and being wilfully ignorant when it suits.
     
  24. dapip

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