Ann Arbor denied entry to NPSL

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  1. SoccerPrime

    SoccerPrime Moderator
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    All of them
    Apr 14, 2003
    Club:
    Real Salt Lake
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    2nd rejection by the league. Wow.
     
  2. holden

    holden Member+

    Dundee FC, Yeovil Town LFC, Girondins de Bordeaux
    Oct 20, 2009
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    Dundee FC
    So how much money do you need to start a NPSL team for 2015? According to the article, Ann Arbor raised $11,130 and it wasn't enough. This article states it was 10,400 in 2007. And this is from 2013:
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    Which would seem to say that you'd only need 9,500 for the first year if you do the two year financing membership fee.
     
  3. chris570

    chris570 Member

    Sep 27, 2014
    Club:
    Pittsburgh Riverhounds
    I believe the costs have gone up since the figures you provided. I know one issue the league had with Grand Rapids was long-term financial stability. That could be the same thing here. While they were able to raise $11,000 through crowd funding, the owners may not have had a business plan in place that the league found acceptable.
     
  4. ThePonchat

    ThePonchat Member+

    #ProRelForUSA
    United States
    Jan 10, 2013
    I've Been Everywhere Man
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The rejection is smart. Can't have ones and dones anymore. Need more long-term sustainability. Unfortunately, it does come with footing some $$$ upfront. Need some deep pockets or a lot of little pockets ready to keep things afloat.
     
  5. SJJ

    SJJ Member

    Sep 20, 1999
    Royal Oak, MI, USA
    Club:
    Michigan Bucks
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    And their solution to getting a rejection letter? Create their own league! As I've said, seems weird that everybody's answer to a perceived soccer problem is "more leagues!" If only everybody else could follow the way we think things should be run! Doesn't matter that we couldn't raise jack-squat in a major college town... we've got the answer!
     
  6. ResearchAnalyst

    ResearchAnalyst New Member

    Jan 11, 2015
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    It seems to be just a money issue:

    "The group used an online Indiegogo campaign during the summer to raise funds to help cover application and start-up costs, collecting $11,130 in donations. Unfortunately the club's funding came up short."

    How much does it take to run a team? Here's what I have so far:

    Entry fee: $6,000 (for 2 years)
    League fee: $3,500
    Player fees: $600 ($20*30)
    Ref fees: $1,650 ($275*6)
    Field rent: $3,000 ($500*6)
    Travel expenses: $1,800 ($300*6)
    Player equipment: $4,500 ($150*30)
    Emergency fund: $2,550

    That's $23,600. And then, I'm presuming that you also have to, at the very least, pay the head coach, which pushes the sum into $40k land. So I can see why the league was skeptical of $11k, unless I'm missing something and/or over-budgeting on something else.

    That said, the fee structure's kind of weird. Unlike a pro team, a semi-pro team doesn't have inherent value, at least not until it plays for a few seasons. IMHO the smarter way would be to allow teams to defer their entry fees to a third or fourth year of playing, when they have a developed fan base.
     
  7. SJJ

    SJJ Member

    Sep 20, 1999
    Royal Oak, MI, USA
    Club:
    Michigan Bucks
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'm not sure about waiving (or deferring) entry fees (to join an established league). [The Canadain "League1 Onatario" did waive first-year entry fees, but it was also the first year of their league.]

    Also, if you have to have the internet equivalent of a bake sale to get your first-year fees, then you probably don't have enough to sustain a team, anyway.
     
  8. ResearchAnalyst

    ResearchAnalyst New Member

    Jan 11, 2015
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    I agree with that. However, it costs about $25,000-$50,000 to operate an NPSL team, and my guess is that the average is around $40,000. That means that the initial fees, at $6,000, account for 15% of first year operations. That is high for an amateur team and might discourage some members from joining, since you also need to get the word out and advertise.

    My issue with the internet bake sale is that it wasn't supplemented, as well as it could've been. I think that season tickets are the key to success, and Ann Arbor sold 130 season tickets. The question is - is that enough? NPSL didn't think so, which raises the question - how much is enough?

    Another thing is advertisement. For instance if you look at the fundraising for the Quails, http://www.gofundme.com/b9ocqw, you can see that supporters include Yucaipa Premier League and Luke's on Front Street who raised $1,000 for the team. What about Ann Arbor's sponsorship? I agree with the NPSL in that you need to be able to raise enough to run a team, not just enough to fund the entry fee.
     
  9. msilverstein47

    msilverstein47 Member+

    Jan 11, 1999
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  10. SJJ

    SJJ Member

    Sep 20, 1999
    Royal Oak, MI, USA
    Club:
    Michigan Bucks
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Teams in the GLPL: AFC Ann Arbor, Croatian Eagles (Milwaukee), Grand Rapids FC, Oakland United FC, RWB Adria (Chicago)

    Croatia and Adria have pretty good heritages. I would be interested in knowing if their teams in this league would be their "A" team or "B" or lower.
     
  11. SJJ

    SJJ Member

    Sep 20, 1999
    Royal Oak, MI, USA
    Club:
    Michigan Bucks
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    http://afca2.com/

    Drop-down the "Follow AFC Ann Arbor" tag and it gives the rather strange statement: "AFC Ann Arbor: Sports + Entertainment Marketing Firm. Every team has a mascot- we are the Pandas. #TeamPakmode @pakmodemm"

    Go Pandas!

    Sometimes I wonder if teams / companies know that these things are on their web sites.
     
  12. msilverstein47

    msilverstein47 Member+

    Jan 11, 1999
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  13. msilverstein47

    msilverstein47 Member+

    Jan 11, 1999
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Great Lakes Premier League

    The United States Adult Soccer Association (USASA), at their annual general meeting on Friday, February 13th, granted provisional approval to the Great Lakes Premier League for affiliation within Region II of the USASA. Affiliation with this organization provides insurance coverage for players, assures the highest level of referee assignments for games and provides a track into the US National Cups such as the Lamar Hunt US Open Cup and the US Amateur Cup.

    The USASA Board has expressed great interest in a regional league in the Great Lakes area to elevate the quality of men's amateur soccer beyond the state league level. The organization believes there is great demand for additional options at the level of the National Premier Soccer League and the Premier Development League, which are also affiliated with the USASA.

    The USASA includes over 250,000 members nationwide and is the largest division of organized adult soccer in the United States.
     
  14. GOALSeattle

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    Oct 13, 2007
    Seattle
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  15. SJJ

    SJJ Member

    Sep 20, 1999
    Royal Oak, MI, USA
    Club:
    Michigan Bucks
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  16. SJJ

    SJJ Member

    Sep 20, 1999
    Royal Oak, MI, USA
    Club:
    Michigan Bucks
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #17 SJJ, Aug 1, 2015
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  17. msilverstein47

    msilverstein47 Member+

    Jan 11, 1999
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  18. E17Avenue

    E17Avenue Member

    Dec 1, 2003
    Grand Rapids, MI
    Club:
    Queens Park Rangers FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    The attendance average was increased by the final home game of the season, a 6,651 crowd for the visit of the independent Muskegon Risers. Final season average was 4,509. AFCAA are a solid club too. We enjoyed our league and are looking forward to expansion next season.
     
  19. kenntomasch

    kenntomasch Member+

    Sep 2, 1999
    Out West
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Pro/rel?
     
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  21. SJJ

    SJJ Member

    Sep 20, 1999
    Royal Oak, MI, USA
    Club:
    Michigan Bucks
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  22. SoccerPrime

    SoccerPrime Moderator
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    All of them
    Apr 14, 2003
    Club:
    Real Salt Lake
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I guess it's full on implosion of the Great Lakes Soccer League.
     
  23. kenntomasch

    kenntomasch Member+

    Sep 2, 1999
    Out West
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Wait, teams can move to better leagues in this country?
     
  24. SJJ

    SJJ Member

    Sep 20, 1999
    Royal Oak, MI, USA
    Club:
    Michigan Bucks
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    http://www.greatlakespremierleague.com/news/?id=51
    League Response to Departures
    The Great Lakes Premier League is saddened to see the departure of two clubs that played a large part in the formation of our league, AFC Ann Arbor and Grand Rapids FC. The entire league membership wishes them the best on their future endeavors.
    ...
    The GLPL has already announced that the Milwaukee Bavarians and Toledo United FC will begin play in the league for the 2016 season. Expecting these moves, the Great Lakes Premier League is also in the process of announcing the addition of several more teams for next season.
     
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