Andrija Novakovich at Calcio Lecco 1912 (Serie B)

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  1. BostonRed

    BostonRed Member+

    Oct 9, 2011
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    And a 3rd:

     
  2. Dave Marino-Nachison

    Jun 9, 1999
    He's starting to show he can contribute at this level.
     
  3. HScoach13

    HScoach13 Member+

    Nov 30, 2016
    Club:
    Atlanta
    That is how you make the manager rethink things...
     
  4. comoesa

    comoesa Member+

    Aug 13, 2010
    Christen Press's armpit
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    ^???
    It's a joke that he is playing for the u23's.
     
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  5. Gorky

    Gorky Member+

    Jul 28, 2006
    NYC
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I am 100% ready for Novakovich to go HAM on PL2.
     
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  6. HScoach13

    HScoach13 Member+

    Nov 30, 2016
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    Atlanta
    Well if he didnt score it would sure be a let down.
     
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  7. thedukeofsoccer

    thedukeofsoccer Member+

    Jul 11, 2004
    Wussconsin
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It's gotta be a let down to return to playing at that level when he barely even qualifies age-wise anymore and he's already succeeded in that and higher ones, so it wouldn't have surprised me if he laid an egg.

    Fook Reading. Get out of there ASAP. Maybe that's what this is about. Keeping him fit for his subsequent squad.
     
  8. soccerusa517

    soccerusa517 Member+

    Jun 23, 2009
    Ohio
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think he's a little overhyped by people in the US fanbase, that being said, he should be getting more opportunities. He's done everything asked of him and even had a good loan spell.

    Time to move on, especially since they signed new forwards. Him and Horvath need new clubs.
     
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  9. dougtee

    dougtee Member+

    Feb 7, 2007
    weird situation
     
  10. BostonRed

    BostonRed Member+

    Oct 9, 2011
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #1710 BostonRed, Aug 12, 2019
    Last edited: Aug 12, 2019
    Curious if there are any European transfer windows open right now? He's unlikely to get a loan in his last 6 months otherwise.

    ETA: Answered my own question --

    Some obvious ones -- Scotland, Spain, Turkey, Germany, Netherlands, France, Switzerland, Denmark, Norway, Portugal.
     
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  11. TarHeels17

    TarHeels17 Member+

    Jan 10, 2017
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    He tied 6 other guys for 25th on the scoring charts. That's hardly amazing.

    We would have half a dozen strikers in the Eredivisie if our player pool all had European passports and were willing to get paid less than they do in MLS.
     
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  12. Gacm32

    Gacm32 Member+

    Chelsea
    Switzerland
    Nov 28, 2010
    Geneva
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    Switzerland
    You're joking? Right? Name the six American MLS forwards you think could make it in the Eredivise right now. I can't think of one outside of JOZY.
     
  13. ArsenalMetro

    ArsenalMetro Member+

    United States
    Aug 5, 2008
    Chicago, IL
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
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  14. Suyuntuy

    Suyuntuy Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    Vancouver, Canada
    Agudelo scored three and assisted three in the Eredivisie in 883' playing for a weak team (Utretch).

    Nova scored 9 and assisted 2 in 2,353', also playing for a rather crappy team.

    That means Agudelo, who got no interest after his half-season, would have scored 8 goals and would have 8 assists in that same amount of minutes.
     
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  15. Gacm32

    Gacm32 Member+

    Chelsea
    Switzerland
    Nov 28, 2010
    Geneva
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    Switzerland
  16. gunnerfan7

    gunnerfan7 Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Jul 22, 2012
    Santa Cruz, California
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Agidelo is the definition of a streaky, ill-disciplined player.

    Utrecht was his last stop before he stopped caring about soccer for a year, and near his peak as a player.

    It's just as likely that Agudelo would struggle in an whole Eredivisie season, considering he's never scored/assisted more than 13 G/A in a season of professional soccer, and he's been performing faaar worse than that projection, culminating in a move away from goal to more of a CM role.

    Sure, Agudelo had a good 1/3rd season with a mid-table Eredivisie club. Doesn't mean much.
     
  17. Kombucha

    Kombucha Member+

    Jul 1, 2016
    Club:
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    Rubio Rubin scored 3 for Utrecht as an 18 year old and hasn't even scored 3 goals for any team combined since that point.

    I don't know if their are 6 Americans that would score 9, but I don't think it is far fetched to think that any American that scored 9 in MLS could score 9 in the Dutch League, so that would be around 9.

    Definitely think Zardes and Morris could do it. Obviously Altidore.
     
  18. Jazzy Altidore

    Jazzy Altidore Member+

    Sep 2, 2009
    San Francisco
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Wood, Weah, Sargent, Reyna
     
  19. gunnerfan7

    gunnerfan7 Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Jul 22, 2012
    Santa Cruz, California
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Bobby Wood was scoring for fun for Union Berlin. Goes to Bundesliga relegation-fodder teams, does nothing.

    Is Bobby Wood suddenly trash? No. It's extremely hard to do well on relegation-fodder teams. If you only watch MLS, it's hard to forget that the enforced parity of MLS doesn't exist whatsoever in Europe. It's why my Earthquakes can go from Wooden Spoon to an almost guaranteed playoff team with a couple of loan moves and a competent coach. And it's why teams beat on each other all the time, with only free-spending LAFC smashing the competition.

    Fortuna Sittard was a bottom-feeding Erste Divisie team (median finish of 16th out of 20 in the 16 years since their last Eredivisie appearance), till they got hot one year and finished 2nd (Jong Ajax not eligible for promotion). They barely survived the Eredivisie too, thanks in no small part to some very poor performances below them. Not many players are going to look great there.
     
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  20. gunnerfan7

    gunnerfan7 Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Jul 22, 2012
    Santa Cruz, California
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I don't think it's far-fetched to think that any American who scored 9 in MLS might also score less than 9 goals in the Eredivisie, depending on the team they get on. Particularly when you take into account the streakiness of the players you mentioned who haven't spent any time in Europe/the Eredivisie:

    JoMo had a great freshman year with 12/4 G/A. Followed that season with an injury-shortened season with 3/1 G/A in 1800 minutes. Even projecting a healthy season, that's under 9 in MLS.

    Zardes looked really good with the LAG for one year, but was otherwise pretty mediocre there despite some talented LAG teams. Then he crashed and burned and was moved to LB before Columbus revived his career. Which Zardes shows up? The LB, or the ST?

    The recent Nova-bashing seems out of nowhere. He's a week into the new season, trying to displace a pair of newly-acquired strikers, and we've already got posts saying he "can't even get on the bench at Reading", like he's washed-up at 22. Lots of piling on for a quiet striker with zero hype who's practically unknown outside of Yanks Abroad.
     
  21. freisland

    freisland Member+

    Jan 31, 2001
    I don't think there's any reason to bash Nova. But there were a few folks bashing Beerholder for not calling him up due to his "strong" Ered numbers. Nova was not poor in the Dutch league, by any means, and he played for a crap team, but neither did he light it up. But he'll have to look decent in the Champs as well to be taken seriously.
     
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  22. The Irish Rover

    The Irish Rover Member+

    Aug 1, 2010
    Dublin
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Ireland Republic
    And Agudelo hasn't pulled up any trees in MLS since returning. Just because a guy is playing in Europe doesn't mean he's that great. And Eredivisie bottom third isn't much/any better than MLS bottom third. Nova did well enough - not great, but well enough - for his age to show that he can get 10 years as a pro, but if he was to be a lock for starter instead of depth in the Championship, he'd have needed another 3 goals and a half-dozen more assists.
     
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  23. Eighteen Alpha

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  24. freisland

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    Jan 31, 2001
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  25. FirstStar

    FirstStar Hustlin' for the USA

    Fulham Football Club
    Feb 1, 2005
    Time's Arrow
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Didn’t Chevy learn that lesson in Mexico? Ha. Actually, the Nova sold quite well south of the border, but it’s such a good fable that I’d rather it be true!
     

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