And now where do you stand?

Discussion in 'Arsenal' started by NorthBank, Apr 4, 2017.

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As The Clash so famously asked...

Poll closed Jul 4, 2017.
  1. Should I STAY?

    6 vote(s)
    18.8%
  2. Or should I GO?

    26 vote(s)
    81.3%
  1. darcgun

    darcgun Member+

    Jan 11, 2008
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    Shareholders only meet once every year, and this isn't even mandatory per English and Welsh law.

    I presume as this was a major decision, Kroenke had prerogative to do this by himself. Just for legal reasons, he needs the board to draw up the contract and do the legal paperwork with the NXE Exchange.
     
  2. bandwagongooner

    bandwagongooner Member+

    Dec 9, 2006
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Having a majority of the shares means your vote is the only one that matters. Whatever you vote for is 50.1% of the vote.
     
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  3. darcgun

    darcgun Member+

    Jan 11, 2008
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    It could also depend on the Articles of association Arsenal operates by. Maybe Kroenke in cases like this, has the right to make the choice, and then board just have to rubber-stamp it. I think this is the first game Kroenke has attended all season though.
     
  4. mebeSajid

    mebeSajid Member+

    Feb 16, 2009
    Atlanta, GA
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Not exactly, but to answer NorthBank's question, Kroenke's majority means he picks the board. Because the board is beholden to Kroenke, they do what he want. If they stop doing that, they stop being on the board.
     
  5. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
    Staff Member

    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Fascist Hellscape
    Club:
    FC Sankt Pauli
    Nat'l Team:
    Belgium
    Exactly

    This was not a shareholders meeting
     
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  6. NorthBank

    NorthBank Member+

    Arsenal; NYRB
    United States
    Mar 29, 2006
    Connecticut
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That's what I've been assuming, that most key decisions (like this one) aren't decided by any kind of straight vote based on weighted shares. That instead, these kind of things come down to a bunch of guys (and gals, back in the day of Nina Bracewell-Smith) sitting around a table and deciding.

    But what is the actual decision/voting mechanism they use for issues like this? And do they really defer 100% of the time to whatever the majority holder wants (in 2017 that's Kroenke)... I find that a little hard to believe. Board Room fights and all.

    Which raises another, broader question: Is there any visibility/transparency into how Arsenal's Board operates, specifically with these type of decisions?

    If this line of discussion grows any bigger in here, maybe we should it to one of the old Arsenal Finances threads.
     
  7. Slartibartfast

    Slartibartfast New Member

    The Arsenal
    May 25, 2017
    Deep Creek, Virginia
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That depends on how you look at it. In terms of position in the league table, it's the worst finish since the year before Wenger signed on. But the 75 points is a total that has been exceeded only once in the past 9 seasons. So it's partially a product of the competition at the top end of the table being strong. Arsenal finished second the previous year with less points because everyone else did poorly.
     
  8. NorthBank

    NorthBank Member+

    Arsenal; NYRB
    United States
    Mar 29, 2006
    Connecticut
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Interestingly, and perhaps not too surprisingly, since our strong run-in and FA Cup win, the #WengerOut's have lost a little bit of ground to the #WengerIn's:

    81% Out / 19% In (32 votes)

    I'd still like to see a bigger sample size. Hmm, I wonder if the club might make some announcement in the next 24hrs that might spur that? ;)
     
  9. mebeSajid

    mebeSajid Member+

    Feb 16, 2009
    Atlanta, GA
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    I'm looking more at xG differential than point totals - the performances were the worst for the time we have xG data.
     
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  10. Slartibartfast

    Slartibartfast New Member

    The Arsenal
    May 25, 2017
    Deep Creek, Virginia
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Even in a statistic-driven sport such as baseball, analytics have their limitations. In a sport where so many things are subjective, I'm highly skeptical. The point of the season, after all, is to compile as many points as possible, not to impress statisticians. For example, during the 2014-15 season, Southampton was the 4th best team according to xG. They finished 7th, a full 10 points behind 4th place Manchester United. Manchester City was 6th in xG, but finished 2nd, 17 points ahead of 6th-place Liverpool. So obviously xG needs some work in the real world.
     
  11. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
    Staff Member

    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Fascist Hellscape
    Club:
    FC Sankt Pauli
    Nat'l Team:
    Belgium
    You have to remember that Arsenal is effectively a privately held company - the only reason they are still listed is because of the Russian holding out

    Given Stan K appoints the entire board, that means he gets what he wants within reason.

    The non-exec directors are rubber stampers. So corporate governance is weak.

    On the operations side, only the CEO and Wenger have any real power. But Stan K can sack either of them.

    So Stan is holding all the cards and Ivan has no real political power over Wenger

    Contrast this with Bayern for example. Both Hoeness and KHR are close to untouchable. But they don't always agree and have to lobby others to get what they want.

    There should be transparency via the board minutes. But they won't tell you much.
     
  12. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
    Staff Member

    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Fascist Hellscape
    Club:
    FC Sankt Pauli
    Nat'l Team:
    Belgium
    As you know I am on the statsbomb train and they have said for a long time that arsenal's data is a hot mess

    This article alone illustrates why Wenger should have been sacked.

    Hot off an elite season, Wenger wrecks Ozil's output, then persists with it.

    821671023380664320 is not a valid tweet id
     
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  13. NorthBank

    NorthBank Member+

    Arsenal; NYRB
    United States
    Mar 29, 2006
    Connecticut
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Here is Arsene's post-decision in-house interview from this morning:

     

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