Pre-match: AMISTOSO: Brasil X Argentina, 16 de Outubro de 2018

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  1. Century's Best

    Century's Best Member+

    Jul 29, 2003
    USA
    [​IMG]vs.[​IMG]

    Location: King Abdullah Sports City, Saudi Arabia

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    Brazil roster:
    Goleiros:
    Alisson (Roma)
    Ederson (Manchester City)
    Phelipe (Grêmio)

    Defensores:
    Danilo (Manchester City)
    Filipe Luis (Atlético Madrid)
    Eder Militão (Porto)
    Fabinho (Liverpool)
    Alex Sandro (Juventus)
    Marquinhos (PSG)

    Miranda (Internazionale)
    Pablo (Bordeaux)


    Meio-campistas:
    Arthur (Barcelona)
    Casemiro (Real Madrid)
    Fred (Manchester United)
    Philippe Coutinho (Barcelona)
    Renato Augusto (Beijing Guoan)
    Walace (Hannover)


    Atacantes:
    Lucas Moura (Tottenham)
    Roberto Firmino (Liverpool)
    Gabriel Jesus (Manchester City)
    Malcom (Barcelona)
    Neymar (PSG)
    Richarlison (Everton)


    The post-2018 World Cup cycle continues for Brazil as Tite's squad visits the faraway land... rather, sand, of Saudi Arabia for two friendlies. After a moderate effort in beating the hosts on October 12 by 2-0, Brazil meets a drastically revamped Argentina in what may be one of the less eventful chapters in the long South American rivalry.

    Whereas Brazil retains the foundation of the squad that rocked CONMEBOL en route to a convincing 1st place finish in qualifying for the last World Cup, Argentina imploded in Russia - the logical conclusion of endless drama, rumors, infighting, and a torrent of criticism from its fans, sports press, and former players. And while both are rebuilding, the Brazilians have the latitude to experiment and to fine-tune an already well-oiled team, whereas the Argentines are finding out which are the foundational pieces for what they hope will become a competitive team in the future.

    The Brazil-Argentina rivalry is indisputably South America's fiercest and one of the world's most famous soccer rivalries. But the expansion of WCQ in CONMEBOL to an "every team vs. every team, home & away" format starting with 1998, followed by more numerous friendlies and confrontations in intercontinental cups, have made Brazil vs. Argentina a lot more frequent than it was in generations past. This match is a friendly, but it promises to be hard-fought and physical given the history between the two sides.


    Interim manager Lionel Scaloni is promoting a veritable revolution in his team. Argentina's elimination in the round of 16 at the World Cup resulted in the retirement of a number of players who had been guaranteed starters for many years. In their place comes a host of very young and skilled players, such as Ascacibar, Dybala, Icardi, and Martínez.

    The Argentines defeated Iraq 4-0 in a friendly also held in Saudi Arabia, but both they and Brazil expect this matchup to be more difficult.

    Much can happen in between World Cups, and Brazil is definitely ahead of Argentina by virtue of its maintenance of Tite, the manager who coached Brazil in Russia and whose work took a 6th place team to a hot streak of wins and a comfortable top of the league table finish in WCQ. And between the French victory over Croatia and the kickoff in Qatar 2022, CONMEBOL will have the 2019 Copa América (held in Brazil) and a very long WCQ. These two teams will meet twice in WCQ and if the brackets cooperate, in a winner-take-all elimination round – or perhaps championship match – in next year’s Copa América. As WCQ matches have points on the line and as a Copa América encounter is unlike this friendly a competitive match with more than just pride on the line (with the trophy and the rich historical context of an intercontinental cup final between both held in Brazil), this friendly held in Saudi territory would appear to pale in significance.

    Thus, while it'd be reasonable for Neymar, Gabriel Jesus, Roberto Firmino, Casemiro, Arthur, and the rest to face tough marking and aggressive play from the likes of Kannemann (an Argentine who has earned the respect of many Brazilians thanks to his contributions at Grêmio), not to mention the speed and zeal of Lautaro Martínez, Dybala, Icardi, and Giovanni Simeone (son of the notorious Diego who more than once displayed dirty and violent tactics against Brazilians in his playing days), this match may well have as its greatest hallmark an opportunity for both to improve their teams. Trash talk is expected, but it will be in 2019 and 2020 (and 2021, arguably) that what we can expect to see in 2022 will really manifest on the pitches of South American and European stadiums.

    The following was the starting XI deployed by Scaoloni in his team's friendly vs. Iraq:

    Goleiros: Sergio Romero (Manchester United); M. Acuña (Sporting), Funes Mori (Villareal), G. Pezzella (Fiorentina), Fabricio Bustos (Independiente); Leandro Paredes (Zenit); Rodrigo de Paul (Udinese); Franco Vázquez (Sevilla), Maximiliano Meza (Independiente), Paulo Dybala (Juventus); Lautaro Martínez (Internazionale).
     
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  2. omajac

    omajac Member+

    Feb 9, 2002
    East Orange, New Jersey, USA
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    I'm predicting that we will win 3-1!!
     
  3. Century's Best

    Century's Best Member+

    Jul 29, 2003
    USA
    You just jinxed us. Thanks to you, Argentina is now going to win. :ninja:
     
  4. old_carioca_in_nyc

    Jan 26, 2007
    Argentina has a chance, since they have no Messi, but have Dybala...
     
  5. omajac

    omajac Member+

    Feb 9, 2002
    East Orange, New Jersey, USA
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    I think this might be the starting lineup

    Alisson- Danilo- Marquinhos- Miranda- Alex Sandro; Casemiro-Arthur- R.Augusto; Neymar- G.Jesus- Coutinho
     
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  6. leonidas

    leonidas Moderator
    Staff Member

    May 25, 2005
    NYC
    Club:
    Palmeiras Sao Paulo
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Happy to see Jesus and Firmino paired up. Let's see how it works out.
     
  7. Century's Best

    Century's Best Member+

    Jul 29, 2003
    USA
    Allison Becker; Danielo, Marquinhos, Miranda, Filipe Luís; Casemiro, Arthur, Philippe Coutinho; Gabriel Jesus, Neymar, Roberto Firmino.

    A 4-3-3... THREE forwards! Daring lineup for a Tite team.
     
  8. samuel_clemens

    Dec 20, 2005
    Los Angeles CA
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    The Saudi TV director or whoever is broadcasting this must have a crush on Casemiro.

    Worst Brasil Argentina I've ever watched.
     
  9. Century's Best

    Century's Best Member+

    Jul 29, 2003
    USA
    HA HA HA HA HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!
     
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  10. old_carioca_in_nyc

    Jan 26, 2007
    Poor performance from all players!
    Maybe it was too hot in Saudi Arabia?
     
  11. old_carioca_in_nyc

    Jan 26, 2007
    Maybe Tite will not be the coach in 2022 world cup? Bring back Felipão?
     
  12. Kaka10725

    Kaka10725 Member+

    Jun 1, 2007
    I didn’t see the game but I didn’t like that idea of playing a friendly there. I wouldn’t have mind if Brazil and Argentina played a home and away friendly.
     
  13. Century's Best

    Century's Best Member+

    Jul 29, 2003
    USA
    Tite is not doing too bad in the second chapter of his manager as Brazil's NT.

    10 goals scored
    0 goals allowed
    4 matches played
    4 wins

    Overall Tite numbers:
    31 matches played
    24 wins
    2 losses
    4 draws
    65 goals scored
    8 goals allowed (2 vs. Belgium and 1 an own goal)
     
  14. Doc_Exec

    Doc_Exec Member

    Jul 7, 2004
    It was probably too hot out there. That's why the slow speed I guess. Nevertheless, Gabriel Jesus needs to be dropped. He is no good as a striker and neither on the wing (at the moment). Firmino and Jesus should never ever start together. This game needed Douglas Costa on the right wing.
     
  15. Century's Best

    Century's Best Member+

    Jul 29, 2003
    USA
    The game became more physical in the second half. Argentina had a good chance early on but Brazil was much better overall; they had difficulty containing us. They improved in the second half and we regressed.

    Richarlison was a great sub.

    Four yellows for them; they had it coming given they kept fouling Neymar.

    Otamendi is still on their roster? Still? I remember how he was repeatedly beaten by our team when we housed them 3-1 in Rosario 9 years ago. How old is the guy?

    These guys played better without Messi. Their young players were hungry, which is far more than can be said for the Barcelona guy.

    Poor Danilo - injured his ankle just as he did right before the Belgium game.

    As I wrote in my OP, this was a match that allowed both managers to make observations. Had they won, it would've boosted their morale. For us it was a match which we did wish to win, and the rivalry factor asides, it's about building a team for the next World Cup.

    Uruguay up next. This week, Japan beat them 4-3 after being up 4-2.
     
  16. celito

    celito Member+

    Palmeiras
    Brazil
    Feb 28, 2005
    USA
    Club:
    Palmeiras Sao Paulo
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    If we change our jersey's to green, o Hexa vem.
     
  17. celito

    celito Member+

    Palmeiras
    Brazil
    Feb 28, 2005
    USA
    Club:
    Palmeiras Sao Paulo
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Didn't watch it, probably won't ... will take the word that was garbage.
     
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  18. omajac

    omajac Member+

    Feb 9, 2002
    East Orange, New Jersey, USA
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Yeah we have Uruguay next month in London and Cameroon as well!!
     
  19. Estuardo A. Lopez

    Jul 9, 2014
    Club:
    AC Milan
    Liked the game.
    Brazil played a tactical game with the defense and midfield containing Argentina, mostly.
    Loved the Arthur-Casemiro partnership...This is the future of Brazil.
    I'm sorry to say it, but I no longer like G Jesus. He seems out of place and lost. Brazil need to find a true No. 9 fast because Firmino does not seem the solution to the problem either. In this game Richarlison (spelling?) should have been given the whole second half because both Firmino and G Jesus were ineffective.. So here TIte (as usual) is too loyal.
    Neymar was well contained by the Argentinians and this bothers me a whole lot. The good thing about Neymar is that he keeps trying and does not give up and this is what led to the great corner that led to the Miranda goal.
    Last point, question really: How long do you guys think Brazil need to wait to introduce Rodrygo, Vinicius Jr and Paulinho? And do any of these three provide a solution to Brazil's No 9 problem?
     
  20. celito

    celito Member+

    Palmeiras
    Brazil
    Feb 28, 2005
    USA
    Club:
    Palmeiras Sao Paulo
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Rodrygo and Vinicius Jr are not 9s and neither is Paulinho as far as I know. Although I think Tite was going to try him there until he got injured .

    Basically everyone wants to be an inverted winger . I don’t see the first two as being ready yet .

    Jesus has time to get better, but we do need something on the mean time .
     
  21. Doc_Exec

    Doc_Exec Member

    Jul 7, 2004
    When is Brazil playing against Cameroon? Is it also in the UK? I can't find any info. online.
     
  22. Kaka10725

    Kaka10725 Member+

    Jun 1, 2007
    Firmino is the 9 by default IMO. Although, Richarlison has looked good and deserve more calls but he isn’t a true 9. Gabriel Jesus is out of form and seems to regress, he has been poor for city as well.
     
  23. old_carioca_in_nyc

    Jan 26, 2007
    I hope Pedro from Fluminense will recover from his bad injury, Iat least he has a good sense of the game, like a number 9... Felippe Coutinho is not being properly positioned and seems to be lost out there...
     
  24. Century's Best

    Century's Best Member+

    Jul 29, 2003
    USA
    Arthur and Richarlison proved they are NT material. If only, some are saying, Arthur had been in Russia. Indeed.
     
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  25. omajac

    omajac Member+

    Feb 9, 2002
    East Orange, New Jersey, USA
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    We're supposed to be playing Cameroon after the Uruguay game and its said it will take place somewhere in Europe(maybe France)
     

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