Americans in the 1st Division?

Discussion in 'Belgium' started by CuriousGeorge, Oct 6, 2004.

  1. CuriousGeorge

    CuriousGeorge New Member

    Jan 6, 2003
    SoCal
    Anyone know of Americans currently signed to first division clubs? I've been lead to believe that Begium has fewer restrictions on non-EU players so I'd think that there be at least some players in the top league.
     
  2. gerby

    gerby Member

    Jan 14, 2001
    South of Belgium
    Well the first name that comes to my mind is Ogushi "Goosh" Onyewu that played las year for La Louviere and now for Standard de Liege.I think there is still another one in Antwerp (2nd division) (not sure he is still playing there)but I can't remember is name.I know he has an asiatic name (Lee ?).
     
  3. panicfc

    panicfc Member+

    Dec 22, 2000
    In my chair, typing
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Alex Yi came back to the US.

    The Belgian restriction is a minimum salary of €75,000 Euro salary. That's it, pretty easy - but the tricky part is finding an agent with connections to Belgian clubs to get you in the door.
     
  4. tomo

    tomo New Member

    May 25, 2004
    ANTWERP, BELGIUM
    Shouldn't be too hard. You can even sell them to Feyenoord and let them play for Westerlo for a year or two.

    I think there are no other Americans in first division, but it would be a nice idea to get some in.
     
  5. panicfc

    panicfc Member+

    Dec 22, 2000
    In my chair, typing
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Trust me, harder than you think. Plus the Eredivisie minimum salary is €400,000, so that's a bit of coin, so you better be able to play right away.

    With Gooch doing well, I expect a few others to test the waters.
     
  6. tomo

    tomo New Member

    May 25, 2004
    ANTWERP, BELGIUM
    U.R.B.S.F.A. - K.B.V.B. (listagents.doc)


    Liste des agents de joueurs titulaires de la licence nationale.
    Lijst van spelersagenten houder van de nationale licentie

    A. Agents également reconnus par la Communauté flamande (décret du 13-04-1999)
    A. Agenten eveneens erkend door de Vlaamse Gemeenschap (decreet van 13-04-1999)

    Yves BARE
    Erkenningsnummer Vlaamse Gemeenschap : VG.708/BS
    N° de reconnaissance de la Communauté flamande : VG.708/BS
    Rue la Nistrée 4
    4452 Wihogne- Juprelle
    Fax : 04/278.70.24
    Tél : 04/278.61.02
    GSM : 0475/78.14.28

    Guy BONNY
    Erkenningsnummer Vlaamse Gemeenschap : VG.710/BS
    N° de reconnaissance de la Communauté flamande : VG. 710/BS
    Klaphoekstraat 6
    3730 Hoeselt
    Tel : 012/23.07.17
    Fax : 012/39.12.87
    GSM : 0475/60.64.97

    Vincent CUSUMANO
    Erkenningsnummer Vlaamse Gemeenschap : VG.949/BS
    N° de reconnaissance de la Communauté flamande : VG.949/BS
    Rue Joseph Leclercq 26
    4610 Beyne-Heusay
    GSM : 0475/76.30.80
    Fax 04/358.11.40
    e-mail : vinc116@hotmail.com
    Medewerker (Nederlands- en Engelstalige informaties) / collaborateur (informations en néerlandais et anglais) : Carmelo GIUNTA, rue de la Paix 43, 4100 Seraing (GSM : 0494/74.38.64 – e-mail : carmegiunta@hotmail.com)


    Dirk DEGRAEN
    Sports & Entertainment Management S.E.M. nv
    Erkenningsnummer Vlaamse Gemeenschap : VG.634/BSA
    Numéro de reconnaissance Communauté flamande: VG. 634/BSA
    Naamsesteenweg 52
    3001 Leuven
    Tel. 016/20.74.21
    Fax 016/20.74.22
    GSM 0477/52.53.24

    Guy DEJAEGHERE (***)
    Erkenningsnummer Vlaamse Gemeenschap : V.G. 727/BS
    Numéro de reconnaissance Communauté flamande : V.G. 727/BS
    St-Remigiusstraat 2
    8740 Pittem
    Tel. 051/46.43.52
    Fax 051/46.41.32
    GSM 0475/770.930

    (***) Egalement titulaire de la licence officielle de l’U.E.F.A. d’agent de matches
    Eveneens titularis van de officiële U.E.F.A.-licentie van wedstrijdagent

    Patrick DE KOSTER
    Erkenningsnummer Vlaamse Gemeenschap : VG.978/BS
    Numéro de reconnaissance Communauté flamande : VG.978/BS
    Lindelaan 7
    1602 Vlezenbeek
    Tel. 02/569.53.38
    Fax 02/569.53.38
    GSM 0495/76.73.39
    E-mail : de.koster.patrick@skynet.be

    André DE NUL
    Mistral
    Erkenningsnummer Vlaamse Gemeenschap : VG.671/BS
    Numéro de reconnaissance Communauté flamande: VG. 671/BS
    Ninovesteenweg 253
    9320 Erembodegem
    Tel. 053/68.01.22
    GSM 0475/31.52.21

    Jos EERDEKENS
    Erkenningsnummer Vlaamse Gemeenschap : VG.640/BS
    Numéro de reconnaissance Communauté flamande: VG. 640/BS
    Itterplein 4
    3960 Bree
    Tel. 089/86.67.97
    Fax 089/86.83.79

    Kismet ERIS
    Erkenningsnummer Vlaamse Gemeenschap : VG. 824/BS
    Numéro de reconnaissance Communauté flamande : VG. 824/BS
    Rue Mathieu de l’Exhy 160
    4460 Grace-Hollogne
    Tél. 0475/91.04.70

    Jean-Claude EYENGA-LOKILO
    Erkenningsnummer Vlaamse Gemeenschap : VG 961/BS
    Numéro de reconnaissance Communauté flamande : VG 961/BS
    Allée Verte 43/10
    1000 Bruxelles
    GSM 0495/89.09.80

    Didier FRENAY
    StarFactory International
    Erkenningsnummer Vlaamse Gemeenschap : V.G. 703/BS
    Numéro de reconnaissance Communauté flamande : V.G. 703/BS
    Goedmoedstraat 10
    8310 Brugge
    Tel. 0476/98.47.91
    Fax 050/37.65.25
    www..starfactory.cc

    Govan Sports
    Erkenningsnummer Vlaamse Gemeenschap : V.G. 642/BS
    Numéro de reconnaissance Communauté flamande : V.G. 642/BS
    Aartrijksesteenweg 105
    8490 Jabbeke
    Tel. 050/81.40.81
    050/81.12.09
    GSM 0495/30.70.54
    Fax 050/ 81.29.10

    Willy HOX
    Erkenningsnummer Vlaamse Gemeenschap : VG.657/BS
    N° de reconnaissance de la Communauté flamande : VG. 657/BS
    Paalsteenstraat 3
    3500 Hasselt
    Tel : 011/21.06.00
    Fax : 011/22.99.78
    GSM : 0475/32.45.77

    Gunther JACOB
    Erkenningsnummer Vlaamse Gemeenschap : VG.1017/BSA
    N° de reconnaissance de la Communauté flamande : VG.1017/BSA
    GCV Gunther Jacob Consulting
    Generaal Jacqueslaan 13 Halensebaan 60
    1050 Brussel 3473 Waanrode
    GSM : 0475/53.41.52
    Fax : 016/77.05.60
    e-mail : gunther.jacob@skynet.be


    Jacques LICHTENSTEIN
    Erkenningsnummer Vlaamse Gemeenschap : VG.693/BS
    N° de reconnaissance de la Communauté flamande : VG. 693/BS
    Eleven-11-Sport Management,
    Avenue de la Liberté 122
    1081 Bruxelles
    Tél : 02/411.02.11
    Fax : 02/411.21.41

    Jean-Marie LORENZON
    International Sport Management - Trading
    Erkenningsnummer Vlaamse Gemeenschap : VG 869/BS
    N° de reconnaissance de la Communauté flamande : VG 869/BS
    Rue de la Forge 127,
    5621 Thy-le-Bauduin
    Tél. : 071/65.51.56
    GSM : 0475/79.30.85
    Fax : 071/65.11.81
    e-mail : lorenzonjm@belgique.com
    Internet : www.lorenzonsports.com

    Wlodzimierz LUBANSKI
    Erkenningsnummer Vlaamse Gemeenschap : VG.637/BS
    N° de reconnaissance de la Communauté flamande : VG. 637/BS
    Lubanski Sports Management
    Zamanstraat 32
    9160 Lokeren
    Tel : 09/348.60.36

    Dan LUBELSKI
    Erkenningsnummer Vlaamse Gemeenschap : VG.715/BS
    N° de reconnaissance de la Communauté flamande : VG.715/BS
    Oosterveldlaan 258
    2640 Mortsel
    GSM 0479/88.02.88
    Fax 03/440.55.28
    e-mail : danlubelski@hotmail.be

    Freddy LUYCKX
    Erkenningsnummer Vlaamse Gemeenschap : VG.753/BS
    N° de reconnaissance de la Communauté flamande : VG.753/BS
    Rue Charles Magnette 6/7a
    4000 Liège
    Tél. 043/37.68.96
    Fax 043/38.45.00
    GSM 0475/25.83.81

    Guido MALLANTS
    M.G.F.
    Erkenningsnummer Vlaamse Gemeenschap : VG.636/BS
    Numéro de reconnaissance Communauté flamande : VG. 636/BS
    Diestsebaan 70
    2431 Laakdal-Veerle
    Tel. : 0475/95.33.54
    Fax : 014/84.19.64

    Cvijan MILOSEVIC
    Erkenningsnummer Vlaamse Gemeenschap : VG. 831/BS
    Numéro de reconnaissance Communauté flamande : VG. 831/BS
    Quai de Rome 61/24
    4000 Liège
    Tél. & Téléfax 04/252.12.37

    Felix SEGHERS
    Fehu Promotion
    Erkenningsnummer Vlaamse Gemeenschap : VG.677/BS
    Numéro de reconnaissance Communauté flamande : VG. 677/BS
    ‘s Hertogendijk 197
    2940 Stabroek
    Tel. 03/605.00.31
    0475/78.22.59
    Fax 03/605.15.51
    03/605.14.23


    Paul STEFANI
    Erkenningsnummer Vlaamse Gemeenschap : VG.672/BS
    Numéro de reconnaissance Communauté flamande : VG. 672/BS
    Loosstraat 44
    3630 Maasmechelen
    Tel. : 089-76.10.62
    0475-23.35.79
    0475-45.93.77

    Daniel STRIANI
    Erkenningsnummer Vlaamse Gemeenschap : VG.796/BS
    Numéro de reconnaissance Communauté flamande : VG.796/BS
    Rue Longue 282
    1620 Drogenbos
    Tel. 0475/25.22.63

    Atila (Carl) TAKACS
    Erkenningsnummer Vlaamse Gemeenschap : VG.658/BS
    Numéro de reconnaissance Communauté flamande : VG. 658/BS
    Kluislaan 21
    2180 Ekeren
    Tel. 03/645.60.34
    GSM 0475/66.78.00

    Serge TRIMPONT
    Football Service Management
    Erkenningsnummer Vlaamse Gemeenschap : VG.675/BS
    Numéro de reconnaissance Communauté flamande : VG. 675/BS
    Clos des Musiciens 3, bte 3
    1083 Bruxelles
    GSM 0475/92.74.93

    Luc VANDENBON
    Erkenningsnummer Vlaamse Gemeenschap : VG.689/BS
    N° de reconnaissance de la Communauté flamande : VG. 689/BS
    Vinkenstraat 12
    8020 Oostkamp
    Tel. : 050/35.64.48
    Fax : 050/37.06.24


    Dirk VAN DEN BOSSCHE
    Erkenningsnummer Vlaamse Gemeenschap : VG 695/BS
    N° de reconnaissance de la Communauté flamande : VG. 695/BS
    Vossenberg 7
    8340 Damme-Sijsele
    Tel : 050/35.66.98
    Fax : 050/37.13.16

    Lieven VAN DER SYPT
    Erkenningsnummer Vlaamse Gemeenschap : VG 992/BS
    N° de reconnaissance de la Communauté flamande : VG 992/BS
    Herentalsebaan 275
    2150 Borsbeek
    Tel : 03/321.38.67
    e-mail : lieven.vandersypt@versateladsl.be

    Gerd VAN EETVELDE
    Erkenningsnummer Vlaamse Gemeenschap : VG. 771/BS
    N° de reconnaissance de la Communauté flamande : VG. 771/BS
    Eegene 64
    9200 Dendermonde
    Tel. 03/844.24.94
    Fax 03/844.24.95
    GSM 0475/55.93.61 of/ou 0498/40.35.19
    e-mail : Tradingdv@hotmail.com

    Patrick VERVOORT
    Erkenningsnummer Vlaamse Gemeenschap : VG. 926/BS
    N° de reconnaissance de la Communauté flamande : VG. 926/BS
    Guyotdreef 118
    2930 Brasschaat
    Tel. 03/633.01.60
    Fax 03/633.01.60
    GSM 0498/10.22.00
    e-mail : Patvervoort@msn.com

    Jorge VIDAL CORREA
    Erkenningsnummer Vlaamse Gemeenschap : VG. 955/BS
    N° de reconnaissance de la Communauté flamande : VG. 955/BS
    Adresse de correspondance :
    Mlle Micheline BORGS, Secrétariat
    Rue de la Campagne 54/1
    4432 Xhendremael
    GSM : 0473/68.92.06
    e-mail : jvidalcorrea@hotmail.com
    miborgs@sowalfin.be

    René VIJT
    International Sport Management N.V.
    Erkenningsnummer Vlaamse Gemeenschap : VG. 670/BS
    N° de reconnaissance de la Communauté flamande : VG. 670/BS
    Bisschoppenhoflaan 384, bus 3
    2100 Antwerpen
    Tel. 03/235.55.12
    GSM 0475/48.20.96
    Fax 03/236.08.20
    E-mail : ism.antwerp@ismantwerp.be

    Ives WEYN
    Erkenningsnummer Vlaamse Gemeenschap : VG 823/BS
    N° de reconnaissance de la Communauté flamande : VG 823/BS
    Boerenstraat 1 A
    9150 Kruibeke
    Tel. : 03/219.09.38
    GSM : 0475/73.35.80
    Fax : 03/83.04.78

    Jean-Pierre ZUTTERMAN
    BVBA. JUNIOR INTERNATIONAL
    Erkenningsnummer Vlaamse Gemeenschap : VG 778/BS
    N° de reconnaissance de la Communauté flamande : VG 778/BS
    Vogelzangdreef 17
    8200 Sint-Michiels Brugge
    Tél. 050/38.52.68
    Fax 050/38.52.68
    GSM 0475/85.94.98
    E-mail : jpzutterman@pandora.be




    B. Agents ne pouvant traiter avec des clubs (transferts entrants ou sortants) établis sur le territoire de la Communauté flamande parce que non reconnus (provisoirement) par celle-ci, mais pouvant pour le reste exercer leur activité dans le monde entier.

    B. Agenten die niet mogen handelen (ingaande en uitgaande transfers) met clubs gevestigd
    op het grondgebied van de Vlaamse Gemeenschap omdat ze niet erkend zijn (voorlopig)
    door deze laatste. Voor het overige mogen ze hun activiteiten uitoefenen in gans de
    wereld.

    Henrik ANDERSEN
    Rue de Verviers 16
    4700 Eupen

    Istvan BOGNAR
    Avenue du Chant d’Oiseau 108
    1150 Woluwé-Saint-Pierre
    Tél. 02/673.24.11
    GSM 0477/53.76.85
    Fax 02/672.44.52

    Eric DEPIREUX
    Avenue Albert Ier, 17
    4053 Embourg
    Fax 043/60.73.20
    GSM 0495/18.49.49
    e-mail : edepireux@hotmail.com


    Daniel EVRARD
    Rue de Rollingergrund 255
    L - 2441 Luxembourg

    Valère FACCHINI
    Place du Baty 12
    4610 Beyne-Heusay
    Tél. 04/355.37.63
    Fax 04/355.37.67
    GSM 0473/39.19.82

    B.M.S.I.
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    Thierry HASTRAY
    Recogne, Rue d’Ochamps 19
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    Christophe HENROTAY
    Allée du Hêtre Pourpre 8
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    Roger HENROTAY
    Sport Innovation S.A.
    Rue des Tondeurs 11
    9570 Wiltz
    Luxembourg
    Tél : +352.26.95.00.95
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    GSM : +33.6.78.63.22.05

    Sören LERBY
    Essel Sports Management
    Pieter Braaiweg 53
    1099 Amsterdam
    Tel. 0031/(0)626.33.35
    Fax 0031/(0)20 626.70.21
    e-mail : mail@esselsports.nl
    web : www.esselsports.nl

    Allen MARKAROGLU
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    1070 Bruxelles
    Tél. 02/520.55.81
    GSM 0474/24.24.67

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    1080 Bruxelles
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    International Management
    Seaside Plaza
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    Av. de Floréal 69
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    Rue d'Evegnée 11
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    Tél. : 043/62.57.27
     
  7. panicfc

    panicfc Member+

    Dec 22, 2000
    In my chair, typing
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Seen the list, know the list, contacted most on the list.
     
  8. tomo

    tomo New Member

    May 25, 2004
    ANTWERP, BELGIUM

    If Feyenoord buys him, they can bring him to Westerlo immediately, and Westerlo pays his salary. Then, if he's good enough they can get him back because they work together.
     
  9. tomo

    tomo New Member

    May 25, 2004
    ANTWERP, BELGIUM
    And no luck? Did they just say they weren't interested, or did they ask video material?
     
  10. panicfc

    panicfc Member+

    Dec 22, 2000
    In my chair, typing
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Most never returned the call. the few I spoke to didn't care about American players.

    There is one agent who is looking to the US, but so many Americans want the glitz of the big clubs. Very sad, and little forethought on their part.
     
  11. tomo

    tomo New Member

    May 25, 2004
    ANTWERP, BELGIUM
    If they are Beasley quality, that shouldn't be a problem.
    But you're right, and the best example is Gooch Onyewu, going to a little team like La Louviere (with the crappiest changing and player rooms) now playing for Standard, and if he keeps making progress, he might end up in France again.
    Are you actually a manager, or is it merely hobby you're doing this?
     
  12. CuriousGeorge

    CuriousGeorge New Member

    Jan 6, 2003
    SoCal
    I would think that at €75,000 there would be at least a couple Americans. Also, it would seem that 1st Division would be a good entry point into Europe with an opportunity to move from there to the bigger leagues. I didn't realize Holland was so high. Do you know what the minimum salary is in the French and Spainish first divisions for non-EU players?
     
  13. DSC05

    DSC05 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jun 25, 2002
    Detroit, MI
    Club:
    --other--
    Panic's job is a secret ;), but if you promise not to tell anyone he may tell you in an email what he does. I don't even know half of his job.
     
  14. panicfc

    panicfc Member+

    Dec 22, 2000
    In my chair, typing
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    No salary limits in Spain or France. Restrictions on the number of non-European players instead.
     
  15. Usafan

    Usafan New Member

    Jan 7, 2003
    My son had tests in Belguim twice this last year. We were were told that the 75,000 euro was a take home pay scale. That it was a four year deal. If you didn't work out, they still had to pay you as long as you didn't quit. They can sign EU players for 30,000 & one year deals.

    He went to four clubs in southern Belguim. He played strong and the coaches wanted him. But they couldn't get the needed money. One of the clubs sold their best player just to keep afloat. We talked to quite a few people who said that the Belguim clubs had contract problems from the past few years. That they had paid dearly for internationals who were now "just collecting their checks". Also you need to speak French, They don't care for english. Some of the players speak english and french, But they would tell you the wrong thing just to mess you up. During the training my son was told one thing by the other player. He made sure that he got in the middle of the line, and watched the drill. He then saw that the player had mislead him.

    Other times the player would say two touch when it was one touch etc.

    If you plan go to southern Belguim make sure you speak French.
     
  16. tomo

    tomo New Member

    May 25, 2004
    ANTWERP, BELGIUM
    I guess the players were just affraid to lose their position in the team. Perhaps he would have been better off in the north of Belgium, where more people speak English. Did he train in first division teams?
     
  17. CuriousGeorge

    CuriousGeorge New Member

    Jan 6, 2003
    SoCal
    What do you know about why Alex Yi left Antwerp? While there is lots of speculation about where he'll end up in MLS I haven't seen any postings that even hint as to why he came back. My thinking is that it can't be for the money so there must be other reasons. How successful was Yi at Antwerp?
     
  18. panicfc

    panicfc Member+

    Dec 22, 2000
    In my chair, typing
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I don't think Alex had a breakthrough with Antwerp. They probably couldn't justify his salary and offered him a lower amount..maybe close to the minimum for a foreigner.

    Maybe he is finishing school or starting medical school?
     
  19. DSC05

    DSC05 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jun 25, 2002
    Detroit, MI
    Club:
    --other--
    Hey Ogushi Onyewu, just got a cap for the US National team. Does he start for Standard?
     
  20. panicfc

    panicfc Member+

    Dec 22, 2000
    In my chair, typing
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yes, he's the man for Standard.

    I think he's one of the club's favorite players, and yes - Feyenoord knows about him.
     
  21. gerby

    gerby Member

    Jan 14, 2001
    South of Belgium
    Standard has now signed an agreement with FC Metz that means that he now belongs to Standard.
     

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