All-time XIs by country

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  1. TitoTata

    TitoTata Member+

    Jun 26, 2014
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    Just noticed it's Sammy not Jimmy at 8 in the 'other' team just to have it dead right [emoji4]
     
  2. TitoTata

    TitoTata Member+

    Jun 26, 2014
    I still regard Houghton as Scottish the .. [emoji4]


    Now for a 'joint' Irish eleven ;)
     
  3. peterhrt

    peterhrt Member+

    Oct 21, 2015
    Club:
    Leeds United AFC
    There are plenty of good players here but few who regularly reproduced their club form for their country. Most of them made their names with English clubs or Celtic/Rangers during the 1960s and 1970s.

    Scotland's days as an international force were over by 1930. Due to mismanagement, apathy and overly political selections, the Scots have never reached the knockout stages of a major international tournament.

    I saw a lot of Eddie Gray. He was a fine winger for Leeds, converting to full-back late on to prolong his career. He never played full-back for Scotland, though his brother Frank did.

    Alternative XI (4-4-2):

    Goram; McGrain, Arnott, Willie Miller, McWilliam; Johnstone, Bremner, Charlie Campbell, Morton; Gallacher, Law.
     
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  4. annoyedbyneedoflogin

    Juventus Football Clube Ajax Mineiro de Deportes
    Jun 11, 2012
     
  5. annoyedbyneedoflogin

    Juventus Football Clube Ajax Mineiro de Deportes
    Jun 11, 2012
    All Ireland XI

    1 Pat Jennings
    2 Stephen Carr/Pat Rice
    3 Dennis Irwin
    4 Mark Lawrenson
    5 Paul McGrath
    6 Roy Keane
    7 George Best
    8 Danny Blanchflower
    9 Jimmy Dunne
    10 Liam Brady
    11 Johnny Giles
     
  6. TitoTata

    TitoTata Member+

    Jun 26, 2014
    Thank you
    As I thought ... a team to beat all comers !!
     
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  7. annoyedbyneedoflogin

    Juventus Football Clube Ajax Mineiro de Deportes
    Jun 11, 2012
    PFA award-winning XI

    1 Shilton
    2 G. Neville
    3 Sansom
    4 Terry
    5 Pallister
    6 Vieira
    7 C. Ronaldo
    8 Gerrard
    9 Shearer
    10 Henry
    11 Bale
     
  8. peterhrt

    peterhrt Member+

    Oct 21, 2015
    Club:
    Leeds United AFC
    All-time England XI published by the BBC to mark England's 1,000th international match. The BBC produced a shortlist then invited visitors to their website to vote.

    Most votes went to World Cup winners Moore, Charlton and Banks, whose enduring status is confirmed.

    Regarding older players in the shortlist, Bloomer and Woodward are the only representatives before 1920, as they were with IFFHS twenty years ago. Lawton is preferred to Dean. Edwards misses out.

    Nobody in the final XI started their international career before 1958. Of those who did, only Matthews receives 20% of the vote.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/50413011
     
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  9. La-Máquina

    La-Máquina BigSoccer Supporter

    Mar 5, 2013
    Club:
    Juventus FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    No Sir Tom Finney or Sir Stanley Matthews who I both picked :eek:
     
  10. wm442433

    wm442433 Member+

    Sep 19, 2014
    Club:
    FC Nantes
    Keegan should have been a possible choice amongst the MF's, not only forwards (like Barnes for example, who is selectable from both categories).
     
  11. Tom Stevens

    Tom Stevens Member+

    Dec 12, 2012
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Johhny Carey is Ireland's best fullback in my opinion.
     
  12. PrimoCalcio

    PrimoCalcio Member

    Milan/Napoli
    Italy
    Oct 14, 2019
    Sticking solely to post-war era players with available footage, some interesting Xls:

    Italy 4-3-3

    Buffon
    Facchetti, Baresi, Scirea, Maldini
    Tardelli, Pirlo, Rivera
    Donadoni, Riva, Baggio

    Subs:
    Totti
    Del Piero
    Nesta
    Conti
    De Rossi
    Mazzola
    Zambrotta

    Netherlands 4-3-3

    Van Der Sar
    Suurbier, Rijkaard, Koeman, Krol
    Cruijff, Van Hanegem, Gullit
    Robben, Van Basten, Bergkamp

    Subs:
    Neeskens
    Sneijder
    Davids
    Stam
    De Boer
    Van Persie
    Rensenbrink

    France:

    Barthez
    Thuram, Desaiily, Blanc, Lizarazu
    Vieira, Tigana
    Zidane, Platini, Henry
    Fontaine

    Germany:

    Maier
    Lahm, Beckenbauer, Kohler, Brehme
    Matthaus, Netzer, Overath
    Seeler, Rummenigge
    Muller

    Spain:

    Casillas
    Ramos, Hierro, Puyol, Camacho
    Xavi, Busquets, Suarez
    Raul, Villa, Iniesta

    Portugal:

    Baia
    Pinto, Carvalho, Pepe, Coentrao
    Deco, Sousa, Rui Costa
    Ronaldo, Eusebio, Figo

    England:

    Banks
    Moore, Terry, Cole
    Charlton, Robson, Gerrard
    Matthews, Finney, Gazza

    Argentina:

    Fillol
    Zanetti, Passarella, Ruggeri, Marzolini
    Di Stefano, Redondo, Riquelme
    Messi, Batistuta, Maradona

    Brazil:

    Gilmar
    Cafu, Carlos Alberto, Lucio, N. Santos
    Didi, Falcao
    Garrincha, Zico, Pele
    Ronaldo
     
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  13. PuckVanHeel

    PuckVanHeel BigSoccer Yellow Card

    Oct 4, 2011
    Club:
    Feyenoord

    Surprising (to me) that Gerrard is close to the first XI but I suppose England supporters are in the best position to judge this. I know he was good vs Germany in 2001 of course (a 'rare' competitive win against a big team) and also good at euro 2012 and has also some other goals or assists against the better teams. At the same time, he had some big gaffes as well (France 2004, handing France the win).

    There is also a BBC podcast where this is discussed.
    https://player.fm/series/football-daily/who-is-on-englands-greatest-ever-xi

    Some of those things I don't quite get. One of these is the remark Beckham didn't have a game like Greece "30 or 40 times in his England career".

    While I understand the idea he might have under-performed in tournaments (against teams better than Greece), and cost the team at times, I also think this is an unrealistic benchmark. I'm not sure a Moore, Charlton, Greaves or who else have 30 or 40 of those games either (or 20+ of those matches). Heck, even Pelé and the rest of the rollcall have maybe not 40 of those games like Beckham against Greece.

     
  14. peterhrt

    peterhrt Member+

    Oct 21, 2015
    Club:
    Leeds United AFC
    Probably only Charlton and Moore are now automatic choices. Many online voters may prefer not to go further back in time. Seven of the team played during the past thirty years, and club allegiances could have played a part with younger voters.
     
  15. comme

    comme Moderator
    Staff Member

    Feb 21, 2003
    I don't know they would to be perfectly honest (be in the best position).

    I think Gerrard makes more sense in an all-time English XI rather than an England XI.

    I thought the podcast was ok but no more. It felt like it lacked depth and there were a few bits in there that jarred with me, particularly the idea Gordon Banks had been named FIFA's goalkeeper of the year six times.

    It felt very biased towards the recent players but then overlooked some of the best role players.

    Just as an example, I would think strongly about Paul Ince in central midfield based on the players that I personally saw because I think he would give a better balance alongside, say, a Gazza or a Charlton.

    I felt Finney got very little recognition as well (though was listening to it while doing something else as well).
     
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