All-time XIs by country

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  1. annoyedbyneedoflogin

    Juventus Football Clube Ajax Mineiro de Deportes
    Jun 11, 2012
    I also checked CA93. Pizarro is a midfielder.
    Who would you propose as an improvement? Antonio Arias?
     
  2. Perú FC

    Perú FC Member+

    Nov 16, 2007
    Lima, Perú
    In my opinion Antonio Arias or Isaac Carrasco.
     
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  3. msioux75

    msioux75 Member+

    Jan 8, 2006
    Lima, Peru
    I think, there's no top level LB.
    So, there are many contenders.
     
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  4. annoyedbyneedoflogin

    Juventus Football Clube Ajax Mineiro de Deportes
    Jun 11, 2012
    Jamaica XI (433)

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    Blake just over Ricketts.
    Leon Bailey would have nice positional exchanges with Shelton.
     
  5. annoyedbyneedoflogin

    Juventus Football Clube Ajax Mineiro de Deportes
    Jun 11, 2012
    I like this base very much.
    My Perú would be a bit more modern. IMO the best players of the current WC qualifications are Gallese, Corzo and Guerrero. The latter might not beat Lolo Fernández (without drugs). However the competition for the right back position is much lower, making Corzo a respectable pick. Gallese may or may not be the best goalkeeper in history but he's always there at the right moments. So call it a preference for big game players, if you will. Gallese over Valdivieso.

    The second thing to modernize is the wingers. From a tactical standpoint, it is great to have inverted wingers with a nack for scoring, when a game is still open. But of course you want to keep the pitch wide when needed.
    Therefore a left-footer together with a right-footer who can play on both flanks are ideal. Joya was a right-footer who only adapted to playing on the left. However Sotil was decent with both feet and on both sides. He was not the best dribbler or crosser but he was incredibly all-round with his short-passing game standing out. I'm tempted to play him instead of Cueto in the center. Although he was never an 8 and it would break up the magical midfield of Cubillas, Cueto and Velásquez.

    So a tactical improvement would be having the left-footed Juan Seminario and the right-footed Gerónimo Barbadillo on both wings.

    1 Pedro Gallese
    2 Aldo Corzo
    3 Nicolás Fuentes
    4 Héctor Chumpitaz
    5 Guillermo Delgado
    6 José Velásquez
    7 Gerónimo Barbadillo
    8 César Cueto
    9 Lolo Fernández
    10 Teófilo Cubillas
    11 Juan Seminario
     
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  6. msioux75

    msioux75 Member+

    Jan 8, 2006
    Lima, Peru
    You miss Rodriguez and Yotun among the better players in the last WCQ.

    About your picks, I think Gallese could stand the comparison between the better peruvian-born GKs in the last 50 years.

    Corzo is in his prime since two years ago, but I still rate Jaime Duarte above all RBs, very solid player and arguably the best SA right back at 1980-81. In contrast, Bedoya had better skillset, but harder competition in South America in his position and also a short peak.

    Barbadillo and Seminario are among the best in their position, so I think, their inclusion depends on tactics, here.
     
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  7. annoyedbyneedoflogin

    Juventus Football Clube Ajax Mineiro de Deportes
    Jun 11, 2012
    I suppose we will see what happens in Russia and then we can revisit this.
     
  8. annoyedbyneedoflogin

    Juventus Football Clube Ajax Mineiro de Deportes
    Jun 11, 2012
    Italy XI
    I wanted Meazza, Baggio, Mazzola, Facchetti, Maldini and Baresi fitting in their naturally best positions.
    So the formation has to be Zona mista.
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    E.g. Juventus
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    Resulting in
    1 Buffon
    2 Gentile
    3 Facchetti
    4 Tardelli
    5 Paolo Maldini
    6 Baresi
    7 Roberto Filippi or Salvatore Bagni
    8 Valentino Mazzola
    9 Schiavio
    10 Meazza
    11 Roberto Baggio
     
  9. annoyedbyneedoflogin

    Juventus Football Clube Ajax Mineiro de Deportes
    Jun 11, 2012
    A shot at Switzerland

    Gk Frank Séchehaye
    Rb Stephan Lichtsteiner
    Lb David Alaba
    Sw Severino Minelli
    Cd Fabian Schär
    Dm Sirio Vernati
    Rw/Ir Alfred Bickel
    Cm Heinz Hermann
    St Josef Hügi
    Am/Il Max Abegglen
    Lw Jacques Fatton

    With 3 active players, the current era might be overrepresented. Or it may imply at least a quarter final seeding for this world cup.)
    Alternatively, the left backs may be altered according to the different eras. Ramseyer, Fässler, Stierli amongst others are all strong fits. Even Rodríguez may be added, with Alaba moving to midfield, might the vodka bring extra inspiration.
     
  10. The Potter

    The Potter Member+

    Aug 26, 2004
    England
    Club:
    Stoke City FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    Alaba is Austrian.
     
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  11. Skandal!!!

    Skandal!!! Member

    Legia Warszawa
    Poland
    Apr 26, 2017
    Hehehehehhe... yeah.
     
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  12. annoyedbyneedoflogin

    Juventus Football Clube Ajax Mineiro de Deportes
    Jun 11, 2012
    Why did I mix that up??
     
  13. annoyedbyneedoflogin

    Juventus Football Clube Ajax Mineiro de Deportes
    Jun 11, 2012
    Another shot at Switzerland

    Gk Frank Séchehaye
    Rb Stephan Lichtsteiner
    Lb Ricardo Rodríguez
    Sw Severino Minelli
    Cd Fabian Schär
    Dm Sirio Vernati
    Rw/Ir Alfred Bickel
    Cm Heinz Hermann
    St Josef Hügi
    Am/Il Max Abegglen
    Lw Jacques Fatton
     
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  14. Skandal!!!

    Skandal!!! Member

    Legia Warszawa
    Poland
    Apr 26, 2017
    Yes, Rodriguez is good.
     
  15. Perú FC

    Perú FC Member+

    Nov 16, 2007
    Lima, Perú
    #240 Perú FC, Jun 11, 2018
    Last edited: Jun 11, 2018
    By the way, has Guerrero gained some reputation as a drug addict after what happened? On the contrary, the common feeling here is that he's one of the few players that couldn't be doubted much about that, but a very healthy image.

    For the position of the best 9 in the history of the Peruvian national team I agree that he can't overcome "Lolo" Fernández (perhaps the best player at overall, just behind Cubillas and at the Chumpitaz level in my opinion), but he would be the clear second option over Jorge Alcalde, "Perico" León and Franco Navarro (taking into account that Valeriano López played a few times for Peru and it's widely considered that Claudio Pizarro could never replicate his status at the club level).

    Even being a bit weak competition for the position, I couldn't say that Corzo had good possibilities, not only for Andrés Bedoya, but also for Jaime Duarte.

    Curiously Aldo Corzo will probably be just a substitute in this next World Cup because Luis Advíncula is projected as the starter for the right-back position (I'd also say that this last player could be ahead of him for a historical position).

    I'm not sure if Corzo could rival Carlos Tovar, Eloy Campos or Eleazar Soria.
     
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  16. Perú FC

    Perú FC Member+

    Nov 16, 2007
    Lima, Perú
    #241 Perú FC, Jun 11, 2018
    Last edited: Jun 11, 2018
    It's a bit difficult to compare. Juan Valdivieso is undoubtedly the most legendary Peruvian goalkeeper of all-time, but the truth is that due to his era he only played 10 games for Peru. The other great legendary goalkeeper of this country, José Soriano, only played once, so in front of them could have some advantage.

    However, I'm not so sure if he already could beat Rafael Asca or the nationalized Ramón Quiroga, Julio César Balerio or Óscar Ibáñez. I'd say not yet.

    By the way, maybe Joya was not suitable referring only to his legacy with the national team because he only played 9 games for Peru before emigrating abroad, although I think he's undisputable as an individual star at overall.

    Juan Seminario would be my second immediate option, but only referred to the national team his career also looks somewhat cut (he didn't represent Peru after 23 years ago, during his best years in Europe). Then, the options for the left-winger position are perhaps the best in general with Óscar Gómez Sánchez (who could adapt on both sides), Alberto Gallardo and Juan Carlos Oblitas, all of them of the very best in South America in their position in their time.
     
  17. Perú FC

    Perú FC Member+

    Nov 16, 2007
    Lima, Perú
    #242 Perú FC, Jun 11, 2018
    Last edited: Jun 11, 2018
    Actually, Sotil is widely considered one of the best dribblers, if not the best from Peru of all-time. He was a type of free-role forward but for Peru played as an unorthodox centre-forward many times and as midfielder at club level.

    I wouldn't dare to leave Cueto out. I'd say he was the main playmaker of that Peruvian team even over Cubillas, the most creative of all.

    Barbadillo is a great option, although I think Juan José Muñante was something more spectacular in general (it's difficult to say based only on the national team).

    Félix Castillo and Julio Baylón would be in a nearby ratio.
     
  18. Perú FC

    Perú FC Member+

    Nov 16, 2007
    Lima, Perú
    Today I'd choose this way:

    In terms of overall career:

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  19. annoyedbyneedoflogin

    Juventus Football Clube Ajax Mineiro de Deportes
    Jun 11, 2012
  20. annoyedbyneedoflogin

    Juventus Football Clube Ajax Mineiro de Deportes
    Jun 11, 2012
    A Scotland XII

    1 Bill Brown
    2 Danny McGrain
    3 Eddy Gray/Dave Mackay
    4 Alan Hansen
    5 John Greig/Dave Mackay
    6 Billy Bremner/Dave Mackay
    7 Jimmy Johnstone
    8 Archie Gemmill
    9 Dennis Law
    10 Kenny Dalglish
    11 John Robertson

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  21. The Potter

    The Potter Member+

    Aug 26, 2004
    England
    Club:
    Stoke City FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    I hate to say it but that is one hell of a team. It's over for them now but they should have achieved so much more in the past. Who was their last great player, Strachan?
     
  22. annoyedbyneedoflogin

    Juventus Football Clube Ajax Mineiro de Deportes
    Jun 11, 2012
    Good question! Darren Fletcher??
    It seems like "Winter has come" beyond Hadrian's wall.
     
  23. annoyedbyneedoflogin

    Juventus Football Clube Ajax Mineiro de Deportes
    Jun 11, 2012
    Northern Ireland XI

    1 Pat Jennings
    2 Pat Rice
    3 Mal Donaghy
    4 Billy McCracken
    5 Aaron Hughes
    6 Danny Blanchflower
    7 Billy Bingham
    8 Jimmy McIlroy
    9 Joe Bambrick
    10 Johnny Crossan
    11 George Best
     
  24. TitoTata

    TitoTata Member+

    Jun 26, 2014
    I'd like to see an Irish eleven ..

    Paul McGrath at CB ...
     
  25. annoyedbyneedoflogin

    Juventus Football Clube Ajax Mineiro de Deportes
    Jun 11, 2012
    Republic of Ireland XI

    1 Shay Given
    2 Stephen Carr
    3 Dennis Irwin
    4 Mark Lawrenson
    5 Paul McGrath
    6 Roy Keane
    7 Ray Houghton
    8 Johnny Giles
    9 Jimmy Dunne
    10 Liam Brady
    11 Kevin Sheedy
     
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