All-Time 4-2-3-1 Challenge

Discussion in 'The Beautiful Game' started by PDG1978, Sep 6, 2017.

  1. PDG1978

    PDG1978 Member+

    Mar 8, 2009
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    Nottingham Forest FC
    If you saw Francis's winning goal in the 1979 EC Final, Robertson is the one who crossed it to him (but you may know Francis from Sampdoria I guess!).

    If you ever watch the 1991 FA Cup Final, Walker scores the winning goal.....for Tottenham lol (but he also played for Sampdoria and starred in the 1990 World Cup for England).
     
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  2. PDG1978

    PDG1978 Member+

    Mar 8, 2009
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    Nottingham Forest FC
    The formation is ok?

    I'm thinking lots of short passes (traditional Forest style anyway) and Francis coming deep to get the ball a la Sindelar or somebody!
     
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  3. La-Máquina

    La-Máquina BigSoccer Supporter

    Mar 5, 2013
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    Juventus FC
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    #78 La-Máquina, Oct 16, 2017
    Last edited: Oct 16, 2017
    I couldn't help myself... an all-Italian late 80's/early 90's 3-3-1-3...

    1 Walter Zenga

    2 Giuseppe Bergomi, 5 Franco Baresi, 3 Paolo Maldini

    4 Fernando De Napoli, 8 Carlo Ancelotti, 6 Luigi De Agostini

    10 Giuseppe Giannini

    7 Roberto Donadoni, 9 Gianluca Vialli, 11 Roberto Baggio​



    Bench: 12 Stefano Tacconi (GK), 13 Pietro Vierchowod, 14 Ciro Ferrara, 15 Giancarlo Marocchi, 16 Roberto Mancini


    I think only a German XI could beat this team.
     
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  4. Hidegkuti78

    Hidegkuti78 Member

    Sep 2, 2015
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    ACF Fiorentina
    Very nice!

    Only doubt is about De Napoli there...
    I'd go with a proper wide guy. Like Angelo Colombo for example.
     
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  5. La-Máquina

    La-Máquina BigSoccer Supporter

    Mar 5, 2013
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    Both can play central or wide, but I think De Napoli has the ideal attributes to play that right midfield role. Mid to late 90's, I'd bring in Angelo Di Livio :thumbsup:
     
  6. Hidegkuti78

    Hidegkuti78 Member

    Sep 2, 2015
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    ACF Fiorentina
    Yeah let's settle on Di Livio!
    Excellent pick.
    And excellent team
     
  7. PDG1978

    PDG1978 Member+

    Mar 8, 2009
    Club:
    Nottingham Forest FC
    I'll not start tallying any selections past team 4 obviously, but I had a think myself about how I might carry on through teams 5 to 8 and came up with this, using the same 4 hybrid designs as before:

    Team 5 - 1: Shilton, 2: Thuram, 3: Breitner, 4: Matthaus, 5: Nesta, 6: Charles, 7: Matthews, 8: Schiaffino, 9: Rummenigge, 10: Puskas, 11: Finney
    (Hybrid with: 4-1-3-2 - Shilton; Amoros, Nesta, Charles, Breitner; Matthaus; Mathews, Schiaffino, Finney; Rummenigge, Puskas)

    Team 6 - 1: Zoff, 2: Amoros, 3: Facchetti, 4: Tigana, 5: Desailly, 6: Passarella, 7: Savicevic, 8: Xavi, 9: Henry, 10: Dalglish, 11: Iniesta
    (Hybrid with: 4-3-2-1 Christmas Tree - Zoff; Amoros, Desailly, Passarella, Facchetti; Xavi, Tigana, Iniesta; Savicevic, Dalglish; Henry)

    Team 7 - 1: Zamora, 2: Suurbier, 3: Cabrini, 4: Edwards, 5: Hierro, 6: Hansen, 7: Meazza, 8: Falcao, 9: Weah, 10: Rivera, 11: Baggio
    (Hybrid with: modern 4-3-3 - Zamora; Suurbier, Hierro, Hansen, Cabrini; Falcao, Edwards, Rivera; Meazza, Weah, Baggio)

    Team 8 - 1: Dasaev, 2: Vogts, 3: Bossis, 4: Bozsik, 5: Koeman, 6: Vierchowod, 7: Jairzinho, 8: Liedholm, 9: Shevchenko, 10: Gullit, 11: Ronaldinho
    (Hybrid with: 4-1-4-1 - Dasaev; Vogts, Koeman, Vierchowod, Bossis; Bozsik; Jairzinho, Gullit, Liedholm, Ronaldinho; Shevchenko)

    So that meant these became my top 4 picks omitted:

    Dennis Bergkamp (was close to including him as number 10 in some team, and maybe the formation used as hybrid for team 4 even costs him despite that he could integrate very well in the midfield area - perhaps I considered Sandro Mazzola could've been an option in that role also and could have been tempted with Nandor Hidegkuti re-forming the Hungarian connection with Bozsik too!)

    Jurgen Klinsmann (if using Rummenigge starting wider as a supporting player predominantly, maybe I even consider him for team 5)

    Gheorghe Hagi (just like Kaka, I think he's a player I rate very highly in prime mode, but the basic formation really made it unlikely I'd be picking those given I'd think myself for them it really is the number 10 role they'd be considered for; wheras on the other hand maybe I'm surprised I don't include Fernando Redondo eventually in any selection within a 4-2-3-1 as I could've slotted him in somewhere as either number 4 or number 8 I suppose)

    Romario (if Gerd Muller didn't exist, he might seem to fit well and therefore be prime candidate as number 9 in team 4 even, re-connecting with Laudrup, in a similar type of role Muller would play)
     
  8. PDG1978

    PDG1978 Member+

    Mar 8, 2009
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    Nottingham Forest FC
    Possibly if combining two different incarnations of Bergkamp, and if picking the final team to be a hybrid with a Christmas Tree again, I could/might've put him in instead of Jairzinho (as number 10, with Gullit as number 7, but if needed...in a theoretical match, Gullit moving back to a box to box midfield role, and Bergkamp as a right wing forward type player).

    Bergkamp nearly went in team 6 instead of Dalglish though anyway, so he's closest to getting in a selection without doing for myself I think.
     
  9. PDG1978

    PDG1978 Member+

    Mar 8, 2009
    Club:
    Nottingham Forest FC
    Actually, with one of the players I guess I might've been expected to pick by those that are familiar with my post history being Robert Pires (I think if we/I picked more 'typical' 4-2-3-1s only then he would have been in one of my top 8 teams surely):

    Looking randomly at France vs Brazil from the Confederations Cup of 2001 (albeit a very second string Brazil with a midfield with 9 previous caps), as well as enhancing my faith in 'ball players' in the midfield, (that you see in my selections on this thread) viewing Pires, playing alongside (or ahead of if we call it 4-1-3-2) Vieira in central midfield, almost tempts me to put him in team 6 instead of Iniesta given I'd pick go that way purely as the left side option. If Vieira/Pires works (although it wasn't tested 'properly' I suppose! - I remember Wenger often saying Pires would do well in the centre for France, but always using him wide understandably I suppose for Arsenal) then maybe Xavi/Tigana/Pires as a ball playing triumvirate also does, but probably Xaviesta is too convincing to really make me consider a change anyway! Whether Pires would be better at releasing balls to Henry could be a consideration though I suppose, as that line-up would have to find a good mix between Tiki Taka and playing the ball to Henry when it was on (I think with Savicevic and Dalglish it can already do it though, so I'm ok sticking to the line-up and leaving out both Bergkamp and Pires in the end).
     
  10. PDG1978

    PDG1978 Member+

    Mar 8, 2009
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    Nottingham Forest FC
    Actually, to be fair/accurate, not 4-1-3-2 I think - I should've paid better attention and/or continued to watch longer to establish Djorkaeff's actual role, but it is not right up alongside Anelka in general anyway.

    Anyway, right now I should be and am watching Forest and they just scored! So I won't go and re-check the Karembeu/Djorkaeff/Vieira/Pires/Wiltord positioning just now! Pires is certainly in the middle though, and Wiltord left side, which is the main jist of what I observed and considered before my post!
     

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