No problem mate - yes, understood. I suppose I was using the 4-2-3-1 as basic outline for this thread (as a template that lots of formations are at least close to - so we are all picking a number 10 of some sort, a striker, two wider forwards/AMs and two 'midfielders' and the choices can be roughly comparable and no 'weird' formations get involved maybe) and it is a bit confusing. You're right that it can be interesting to debate and discuss. Maybe sometimes I prefer not to have to mount a defence of a personal choice lol, but that didn't happen here really and if I wanted I could just have repped your choices and not given an explanation or asked about Rivera anyway (I genuinely wondered if you did see him playing deep somewhat differently to Platini so thought I'd ask in case you had some thoughts on it, as the 4-2-3-1 basic design probably actually cost Rivera as far as my choices go!) When I talk of 'hybrids' with other systems rather than a rigid 4-2-3-1 that's easy to miss I think too. Maybe it'd have been easier to stick to just 4-2-3-1 standard formations, with two DM/CMs (perhaps one a deep-lying playmaker such as Alonso) but I hadn't wanted to be restrictive like that to myself or anyone else. The actual system is open to variation really between our teams, but it should just vaguely match a 4-2-3-1 line-up - confusing sorry!! I saw you opened a thread indeed and I'll have a look at that - thanks and good contributions and selections on this thread so thanks for that too.