Ajax 2015-16: What Will Frank Do?

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  1. Laurent75

    Laurent75 Member

    Aug 2, 2014
    Half of these players are wack and could have been tested by any coach anyway since there were the biggest youth Ajax prospects...

    I believe one thing De Boer can be honoured for is to have trusted Daley Blind, who had an unexpected progression.
     
  2. aveslacker

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    Bielsa? That guy wears out his welcome pretty quickly. Also, I doubt he'd come to Ajax.

    I don't think I'd mind Olsen coming back, but I don't see it happening either.

    Also, you need to change the "FdB must go" part of your sig as he's already gone, no?
     
  3. JebanyHuj

    JebanyHuj New Member

    Mar 24, 2008
    Two words: Leo "the Professional" Beenhakker. Sorry, that's four words...but bring The Man back from TnT oblivion, please!!!
     
  4. CDPontaDelgada

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    How about Nuno Espírito Santo, Roberto Di Matteo, Walter Mazzari, Bernd Schuster, Armin Veh, Thomas Schaaf
     
  5. Orange14

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    He was horrible at both Chelsea and Spurs. The only foreign manager I want is Marcelo Bielsa; he plays attacking football!
     
  6. Orange14

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    Except for maybe Mazzari they are all losers IMO.
     
  7. bunbohue

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    Stam, Seedorf, Michael Laudrup or perhaps lure Erik ten Hag from Utrecht?
     
  8. CDPontaDelgada

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    I know a lot of you guys don't like him but I personally think the guy's a good coach least from what I've seen of him in Portugal i liked his porto and az teams


    Co adriaamse
     
  9. Orange14

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    ^^It's not a question of not liking him but the fact that he is a total head case. We already had him briefly as a manager and he was sacked in favor of Koeman. No thanks.
     
  10. CDPontaDelgada

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    He certainly is he a headcase but his teams look super fit that AZ team of his was excellant and made the semis of the UEFA Cup

    Also Co was a big reason guys like Quaresma were able to turn around their fortunes. Scouting wise he was excellant bting in some great players i think he was responosble for Bruno Alves and Pepe coming from no where

    Certainly will be a mystery who ajax pick as manager
     
  11. JC-14

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    I'd be surprised if it's anyone other than Peter bosz.
     
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  12. Orange14

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    Even with his Feyenoord connections? I will be disappointed in part because I don't rate him all the highly; he had one good season managing Vitesse but that was it.
     
  13. JC-14

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    #963 JC-14, May 13, 2016
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    He also had a good season with Heracles. I have mixed feelings about him. At least he always has attacking intentions. But he does tend to go overboard with them and become reckless. But after Frank I welcome any type of adventurous and creative football, even if we win nothing.

    Everything seems to point to Bosz, from Ronald de Boer, to Jordi Cruijff to the major newspapers including de Telegraaf.
     
  14. Persona

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    Feb 24, 2014
    Hmm, are you sure about the last part? I'll take an ugly win over a spectacular defeat any day of the week.
     
  15. Orange14

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    I like winning as well but this year's Ajax club was painful to watch. I was going over my match notes and player ratings from this season and it the quality of the football was the worst in the 5 1/2 years that FdB managed the club. There were maybe 4-5 matches that were enjoying to watch. We had some dreadful draws against clubs that we should have easily dealt with and we were very lucky to get the draw with Utrecht on a PK that should have never been called. What is more amazing to me is FdB's stubborness which I think is his biggest failure. He sits Bazoer down for the last several matches and leaves Klaassen on the pitch when he was every bit as poor as Bazoer.

    I'm in the process of writing something up based on all of this but IMO Klaassen does not come out very well at all and I think he is wildly over rated.
     
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  16. JC-14

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    100%
     
  17. You use different measure sticks for Oranje and Ajax. You loath BvMarwijk for the way he let Oranje play to be successful.
     
  18. Orange14

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    My Season Recap for the Ajax League Matches

    I watched all the Ajax league matches except for the PEC Zwolle home match this year. What follows are based on my posted match observations and player ratings. Despite competing for the Eredivisie title to the final match day when the club was undone by a poorly played draw to de Graafschaap this was nothing more than a very average Ajax club. The only outstanding players over the whole campaign were our keeper and those who played on the back line. Everyone else was wildly inconsistent and often times our attack was nonexistent, in large part because of a midfield that was too slow on the ball and often passed backwards allowing the opponents time to martial their defensive line. Opponents could pack things in defensively with the knowledge that this Ajax team could not break them down. Ajax were most impressive when they scored the first goal early in the match and forced the opponent to come out of a defensive minded game plan (though this didn’t seem to make a difference when Ajax were up 2-0 against Roda and then had to settle for a draw).

    Much of the problem lay with FdB who seemed not to have any understanding of modern football tactics. There was a stretch of games after the winter break that were the worst imitation of the old Italian catanaccio. A home match against Heracles was like watching a slow drip from a leaky water faucet. The club did the job defensively but couldn’t score, and if you don’t score you cannot win. This did work in the return game against PSV when there was an excellent defensive display and the club had a season low of only 40% possession yet won an important road match to take the lead in the league. Ajax continued to have difficulties with Utrecht losing 1-0 away and salvaging a 2-2 draw at home because of a phantom penalty call by the match official. One can successfully argue that out of the 34 league matches maybe five were played at a high tempo with good attacking.

    There was the usual putting players into positions that they either are unfamiliar with (Sinkgraven on the LW) or just cannot compete because of age (Schöne on the RW) or putting Klaassen up front as a striker. Sometimes one just looks at the match and wonders what FdB is thinking about. He didn’t seem to have any clue about how to get the team ready to play inferior opponents who adopt a defensive pattern. This club should never struggle against a bottom of the table de Graafschap (2 narrow wins and the season ending draw).
    When Milik was having a bad game there were no other options at striker. I don’t think that having Zlatan back with this team would have changed anything. The midfield just cannot create enough opportunities and there would be stretches of time when Milik or el Ghazi when he was at #9 never got a touch on the ball.

    The player evaluations and ratings (averaged over the number of games played) are based on the league matches only (the ignominious defeat in the CL qualifying round, inability to make it out of the EL group play, and the failure to beat archrivals Feyenoord in the cup are a bad dream best dispensed of. I’m also not commenting on three players who saw action but are not part of Ajax any longer: Sanogo, Heitinga, and Hendrix. My ratings tend to be more conservative than what you might see in other places. I gave out one 9 this season. To me a 10 has to be a world class effort over the whole game, not just a single wonder goal when the rest of that player’s match was mediocre (case example here is Bazoer who received high marks from various publications when he won the Vitesse match with a great strike).

    Cillessen (6.5) – great keeper in all aspects of the game. He doesn’t score particularly high as a lot of the competition was effectively dealt with by the back line so he didn’t make lots of saves. He is the Oranje NT keeper but is he good enough to play at a higher club level? I’m not sure about that but he is good enough to stay #1 at Ajax in the years to come.

    Dijks (6.0) – yes we had to bring him back when Boilesen threw a hissy fit and didn’t extend his contract. FdB said that the Dane would not play for Ajax again (double standard here, as Moisander did the same thing last season and remained a starter!). Dijks had a decent season defending well in all but a couple of games. He was persistent in going forward and trying to beat his man which he often did. He has a great cross. He’s maxed out at this level of play since he doesn’t have the speed or quickness to move to the next level.

    Riedewald (6.1) – somewhat inconsistent moving to central defense this season after playing LB and DM previously. Still he seemed to be settling in to the position but then suffered a foot injury that sidelined him until the final two matches. He is still very young and has good ball skills and can be a good defender. He is certainly not ready to move abroad.

    Veltman (6.5) – highest rated of all the field players and he is my player of the year (Cillessen a close second). Had one really bad game and that was it as he was solid in the center and then on the RB when Tete went down. He is not physically imposing as some center backs but is always in the right position. Can he move on to a bigger league? I’m not sure, I think he is probably as good as Vermaelen as a center back but not as good as Vertonghen. Spain or Germany might be a good destination. The big question is, “WHY IS HE NOT THE CAPTAIN OF THIS TEAM????”

    Tete (6.5) – what wonderful defensive RB. He shut down every opposing winger he played against. The big question is what offensive skills does he possess? Ajax prefer to attack down the left side rather than the right so Tete seldom ventured into the offensive half of the field (it’s been this way ever since FdB took over and I wonder if that is because the manager is left footed, maybe even left-brained). Tete has defensive skills to play at the highest level but the expectation of fullbacks these days is to go forward. That part of his game has yet to develop.

    Gudelj (5.8) – had a very rocky start to the season but grew into his role as the matches piled on. He became the choice free kick taker when Schöne was relegated to a substitute’s role. His defense was spotty at times when he was more of a spectator than a player. Ajax are the pinnacle for him as he doesn’t have the handling speed to move on to a higher level.

    Bazoer (5.4) – what an enigma!!! Here is a player who aspires to play in Barcelona but right now he would have trouble making the Espanyol starting 11. He lingers too long on the ball and his field awareness is cloudy. However, he can display moments of brilliance. Already capped by the NT he is still only 19 years old. He needs to stay at this level for at least two more years and work on basic skills. However, his outburst in the tunnel following the final game where he was on the bench for the whole match, while understandable, might suggest an earlier move than is wise. At present he is not nearly worth all the €s that have been mentioned. He certainly cannot play at Arsenal or Barcelona levels at present.

    Klaassen (5.6) – a tireless runner and another player who has been valued highly by some higher level clubs. He had the highest single game rating this year, a ‘9’ against AZ in the return match. He has a very poor first touch and is not an incisive passer of the ball. As with Bazoer, he was poor in the final matches yet still started and played in every one of them, a clear manager’s favorite. He collapsed in tears when Ajax could only manage a draw on the final match day where he was the poorest performing player on the pitch. He does have a nose for goal and maybe that is why clubs like Napoli fancy him. If I were Ajax, I would sell him this summer for as many €s they can get. There are better players coming up.

    Younes (5.7) – more often than not the tricks worked. Here is a player who came out of nowhere to lock down the left wing position over Fischer who some thought was destined for big things this season. Younes was able to beat players to the goal line and deliver crosses as well as cutting into the middle. Early on he did not track back very well putting more pressure on the left side of the Ajax defense but he matured as the season went on. It’s not clear whether he has the tools to move to a higher level; his German club appeared to give up on him to Ajax’s benefit. He should be a solid contributor next season.

    Milik (5.6) – blew hot and cold. When he was good he was very good, when he was bad, well let’s just say you didn’t want to watch him. He is a starter alongside Lewandowski on the Polish NT and he can score goals. His hold up play is mediocre and maybe he is better in a two attacker formation rather than a 4-3-3. He could move on this season if he has a good Euro championship campaign but I suspect he’s no better than a mid-table striker in a higher league.

    El Ghazi (5.4) – you sir are no Christiano Ronaldo (the player he most fancies). He is another player who is quite young, big and strong. It’s worth remembering that Ronaldo was starting at ManU at his age. El Ghazi is not the quickest of wingers and often dribbles into double teams (but of course this being Ajax, there is seldom a midfielder around to pass the ball to and Tete doesn’t come up to help out). He scored some very nice goals. Personally I think he’s better suited to playing as a central striker. It’s still unclear whether he can move to a higher league. I have my doubts.

    Viergever (6.3) – ably filled in when Riedewald went down. Last season he played mostly LB and some DM when his real position is in the central defense. He’s an adequate defender but one who is not going to play beyond the Eredivisie. While he’s an extremely valuable utility player, I suspect he want to play every game ad that won’t likely happen at Ajax

    Van der Hoorn (6.2) – a player who always struck fear into Ajax supporters because of his foolish play turned that tables on all of us. After Tete went down and Veltman moved to the RB, van der Hoorn came in and played extremely well. It was sad to see him pushed up front for the final 20 minutes against de Graafschap in the last match of the season as he was clearly gassed and though he tried his best, this was not the solution that FdB should have tried. Here is another player who is not quite good enough to be a starter at Ajax but likely could start for other Dutch clubs. He came over right when Alderwiereld left but Veltman proved the better defender.

    Fischer (5.6) – from promise to the bench. It’s unclear whether he has fully recovered from the hamstring injury that sidelined him for so long. At times he does not look like he has the break away speed displayed prior to getting hurt. He is relegated to second choice on LW to Younes. Maybe a new manager will see more promise there but I won’t be surprised if he moves on this summer particularly because Cerny and Muric are ready for first team football.

    Schöne (5.7) – no more than a spot substitute these days. Never the fastest player he seems to have lost a step as he nears 30. He cannot play on the wing any longer and FdB didn’t use him at all in the MF.

    Sinkgraven (6.0) – yes, he has a high rating but he was also hurt a lot and only played in 14 matches. He demonstrated early on that he is not really a proper winger but was forced into the position when Fischer and Younes were hurt. Worrisome to me is that he appears to be a one footed player and rarely passes with his right foot. He has probably the best field awareness of any Ajax midfielder (damning with faint praise). I think he will get lost in the shuffle as de Jong, van de Beek and Nouri come into the first team. He is capable of starting in the Eredivisie but maybe not for Ajax.

    Serero (5.8) – the rating flatters him as he seldom commits mistakes but his reluctance to press the attack limits him to spot duty. Even so, he took Bazoer’s place in the final three matches of the season and as with others did not distinguish himself on the final match day. His one ‘quality’ is the ability to draw fouls; because of his slight frame he goes down from the lightest touch from an opponent. With the quality of young midfielders coming up there is no place on the roster for him and he is certainly not as good as Sinkgraven.

    Van Rhiijn (5.3) – Tete’s emergence as a high quality RB consigned van Rhijn to mop up duty and when Tete went down with a foot injury Veltman was preferred at RB. Remember when we were all happy to see him in the starting lineup when van der Wiel left for PSG? Those days are long gone and there is no future at Ajax any longer though he is capable to start for many other Eredivisie clubs.

    Cerny (5.5) – showed both quality and naivety coming into the starting lineup from the youth program. At right wing he is much quicker than el Ghazi though he doesn’t have quite the clinical finishing ability. He will be a starter within the next 18 months

    Van de Beek (4.9) – filled in because of injuries and played in five games. His play was spotty and his field vision needs to improve if he wants to make it to the highest level. Against ADO he could not read the run of play at all and the offense was non-existent because of this. Perhaps this it harsh and with more first team experience he will settle in. He has a much better touch than Klaassen.

    Muric (5.8) – is the third of the youth players to see action. He had a nice run in against ADO and was just above average in his only other appearance. He played better than Cerny at the youth level this season and is a player who stands a good chance of seeing regular first team football.
     
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  19. JC-14

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    You misunderstand. Reread the comments.
     
  20. Antario2

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    This could be said of Ajax in the last 5 seasons with De Boer in charge. It is baffling that only because of injuries Ajax occasionally had a functional midfield.
     
  21. Orange14

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    They never replaced Eriksen and wasted money on buying Duarte who never worked out. Sinkgraven is an interesting player but was never given a fair chance (I don't think FdB likes him).
     
  22. JC-14

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    I don't see where racism comes into play there.
     
  23. Orange14

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  24. Yep, but I stumbled on it and thought it worth while as an example of how we donot want our clubs hit the international news wires.
     

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