Afonso Alves [R]

Discussion in 'Brazil' started by soccer krazy, Dec 31, 2006.

  1. GRBomber

    GRBomber Member

    Sep 12, 2005
    Brasília - Brazil
    Club:
    Sao Paulo FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Re: Afonso Alves

    Also, Brazil was always crap and Afonso barely got any service.
     
  2. Mengão86

    Mengão86 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Flamengo
    Brazil
    Nov 16, 2005
    Maryland, RJ/ES/PE
    Club:
    Flamengo Rio Janeiro
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Re: Afonso Alves

    Then we can use that excuse with Luis Fabiano, Vagner Love, Robinho, etc. Luis Fabiano got ripped on by a few people because he didn't show up in the last friendly.

    And benni, it may not be enough for someone mediocre like Afonso, but it would be plenty for anyone good enough. Pato scored in his first game as a pro. Adriano didn't take long enough to shine. Luis Fabiano scored twice vs Uruguay with his chance. Afonso had opportunities to score goals in those "limited" appearances and he didn't come through.
     
  3. benni...

    benni... BigSoccer Supporter

    Nov 23, 2004
    Chocolate City
    Re: Afonso Alves

    You are just being unfair. :p

    Honestly, look at what he did with half decent service, in that match? Against Chelsea he came close to scoring, hitting the cross bar 3 times in the match. Thats just unlucky, he just needs to get settled in a team, give him more time before you close the book on his case.
     
  4. Mengão86

    Mengão86 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Flamengo
    Brazil
    Nov 16, 2005
    Maryland, RJ/ES/PE
    Club:
    Flamengo Rio Janeiro
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Re: Afonso Alves

    I don't see him doing well under pressure that any players on the Seleção gets. I'd like to see how he performs on a bigger team. Didn't Liverpool make a bid for him? He's played on small to mid (if you call Boro a mid) clubs his whole career.
     
  5. GRBomber

    GRBomber Member

    Sep 12, 2005
    Brasília - Brazil
    Club:
    Sao Paulo FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Re: Afonso Alves

    Vagner Love is crap, so let's not mention him.
    Robinho is always given a lot of time to work.
    Luis Fabiano played in a much better Brazil then Afonso.

    I didn't even watch the guy at Herenveen, but I can't judge him a failure based on the few minutes he played with the yellow shirt. Specially because he was always supported by a poor midfield of players like Julio Baptista, Mineiro, Gilberto Silva and Josue.
     
  6. DutchCane

    DutchCane Member+

    Apr 6, 2004
    New York, New York
    Re: Afonso Alves

    This guy is a clinical finisher, watch the game versus Man Utd. He was very good imvho MOM
     
  7. jokstein78

    jokstein78 Member

    Aug 1, 2007
    Re: Afonso Alves

    I also believe he can do decently (with proper service)----
     
  8. soccer krazy

    soccer krazy Member

    Nov 30, 2005
    California
    Re: Afonso Alves

    Afonso scored a hat trick today :)
     
  9. Teso Dos Bichos

    Teso Dos Bichos Red Card

    Sep 2, 2004
    Purged by RvN
    Against a poor, poor side that is managerless (bye Sven), was down to 10 men (possibly bye Europe) and missing their first choice central defenders (bye Richards and Dunne).
     
  10. Mengão86

    Mengão86 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Flamengo
    Brazil
    Nov 16, 2005
    Maryland, RJ/ES/PE
    Club:
    Flamengo Rio Janeiro
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Wow, just when I was going to give him his dues:D Thanks for clearing things up.
     
  11. SectionX

    SectionX Member

    May 27, 2004
    Nat'l Team:
    Sweden
    I dont get it, Alves played for my team in Sweden and didnt score that many goals, and suddenly he skyrocketed in europe. Maybe the swedish league isnt so bad afterall.
     
  12. Paganitzu

    Paganitzu Member+

    Aug 16, 2006
    Eindhoven
    Club:
    PSV Eindhoven
    Strange indeed.

    In Sweden he scored 52 goals in 95 games
    In the Netherlands he scored 45 goals in 39 games
    In England he scored 6 goals in 11 games
     
  13. SectionX

    SectionX Member

    May 27, 2004
    Nat'l Team:
    Sweden
    yeah i know, strange times. The swedish league is suppose to be pretty bad. 52 goals in 95 games is nothing special. Then he went on to break ronaldo's record in holland, and also scoring 7 goals in one game...crazy crazy.
     
  14. soccer krazy

    soccer krazy Member

    Nov 30, 2005
    California
    Alves scores for Middlesbrough yesterday in their 2-1 win
     
  15. benni...

    benni... BigSoccer Supporter

    Nov 23, 2004
    Chocolate City
    It was a stunning freekick as well. He's starting to be more consistant in England, and is looking good. But Dunga is not smart enough to call him up, and will continue to call up Sobis, and Love.
     
  16. Mengão86

    Mengão86 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Flamengo
    Brazil
    Nov 16, 2005
    Maryland, RJ/ES/PE
    Club:
    Flamengo Rio Janeiro
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    At this point, Afonso would only be useful for his FK ability since RG hasn't hit one since a year or so ago. I continue to believe there are more qualified strikers who should be called up than AA.
     
  17. benni...

    benni... BigSoccer Supporter

    Nov 23, 2004
    Chocolate City
    The guys is stronger than most other Brazilian forwards. The ones that are close to being as strong as him [that I know] are not as good as him [and in Jo's case, not yet]. His movement, his overall play is apparent. He's just not hit the back of the net at that alarming rate that he did in Holland. But then again, he is playing for Middlebrough, with only Tuncay and Stewart donwing as players close to his quality or good enough to give him good service.

    Who should be given a chance over Alves? Surely not Adriano.
     
  18. Mengão86

    Mengão86 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Flamengo
    Brazil
    Nov 16, 2005
    Maryland, RJ/ES/PE
    Club:
    Flamengo Rio Janeiro
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Why not Adriano? What he has done at SPFC this year merits him a call-up. I wouldn't call him up at this point because I want to see how he will do at Inter. I'd call up Amauri over AA.

    I don't think Afonso's service is what has affected his goal rate. It is the difference of quality between the leagues in my opinion. The Dutch league is what it once was in the 90's. PSV is pretty much the whole league. Ajax has taken quite a drop.
     
  19. benni...

    benni... BigSoccer Supporter

    Nov 23, 2004
    Chocolate City
    I feel if you had a chance to watch him for 90 minutes you will see why I havnt given up on him. He's a baller.

    As for Adriano... I watched his matches. I still have a couple to get through all from his loan stint, but even though he scored, his overall play was definately not above average. His physical advantage is the main reason why he still has a chance. Teams need that type of dominant presence upfront.

    Amauri is fair, I did forget about him since the rumours about Italy trying to tempt him, and the number of BRazilians playing for other countries.
     
  20. Dribble&Trix

    Dribble&Trix Member

    Apr 14, 2005
    All of them has to prove more, especially Afonso and Amauri since they are not established selecao players and not exactly young anymore.
    To me Amauri needs to show a more regular goalscoring ability to really become a contender.
    Also Adriano should show that he can last a whole season without going down.
    Afonso has shown he can do at least one season but also has to show he can do it in the big leagues.
    Jô is in a better seat since he´s still young and potential.
     
  21. soccer krazy

    soccer krazy Member

    Nov 30, 2005
    California
    Alves scored today to give middlesbrough a tie 1-1
     
  22. Sharles

    Sharles New Member

    Feb 6, 2006
    ''my own world''
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
  23. ChelseaForTheCup(s)

    ChelseaForTheCup(s) New Member

    May 27, 2008
    Yeah...definitely not up to par.

    Adriano FTW.
     
  24. soccer krazy

    soccer krazy Member

    Nov 30, 2005
    California
    Alves scored a goal today and his team won 2-0
     

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