a small team

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  1. markmcf8

    markmcf8 Member+

    Oct 18, 1999
    Vancouver, WA, USA
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yupp! :thumbsup:
     
  2. JazzyJ

    JazzyJ BigSoccer Supporter

    Jun 25, 2003
    #1427 JazzyJ, Jun 22, 2017
    Last edited: Jun 22, 2017
    Oh, please, it is an indicator of how much a player contributes to the attack. I've seen the shots he takes - they are good hard shots from medium distance. And we are talking about 13 vs. 0. At least we have shots to talk about. It is kind of like the frying pan criticizing the kettle for the tone of its whistle. Well at he least it can whistle. As for other stats, Lima is getting key passes at a rate that is 4x what Wynne had last year. Lima has one almost every other game, Wynne had one about every 10 games last year.

    There's no reason to "stop playing that way". It is a perfectly viable way to play and many teams around the world play it. It does not require "perfect execution by every single player". It does require players with the right skills in the right positions. That is not only outside backs who are good at providing attacking width but also outside mids who are very effective cutting in. The Quakes have not had outside backs who are good at attacking for years, with the exception of Lima this year.

    And the attacking outside mids have to be really effective at cut-in attacks. They just haven't quite found the best players for that role yet. Dawkins was supposed to be the guy, and he was in 2012 but not anymore. Hyka is pretty good but requires some space - he doesn't take guys on too much. Salinas takes guys on but has poor final product and will lose it often against good defenders.

    If the new Georgian guy plays outside mid and proves to be effective with cut-in attacks and can take defenders on (and you can see some promising stuff from his highlights) it could move the needle. And if Dom plays Cato and Lima regularly at outside back, it could move the needle. The team is already set for holding / d-mids. The team has also had trouble finding a good partner for Wondo. They need a solid #9 type. That would also move the needle in the context of the 4-4-2. So again, there is nothing wrong with the "system". They just need more effective players to play in it, or to use the right players in it.
     
  3. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Feb 13, 2010
    NorCal
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  4. bsman

    bsman Member+

    May 30, 2001
    MadCity
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Why is it that everybody except our owners/management can see that this team has been a clusterfvck for almost all of the past nine years?
     
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  5. JazzyJ

    JazzyJ BigSoccer Supporter

    Jun 25, 2003
    Article = fail in terms of describing the Quakes DP "duds". It mentions Geo, who wasn't actually all that bad, and MPG, who also wasn't actually that bad (and was he even a DP?), but it doesn't mention the dud of them all, Innocent, nor does it mention Dawkins, who was OK last year but whether it's injuries or whatever, a non-factor this year.
     
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  6. don gagliardi

    don gagliardi Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    Feb 28, 2004
    san jose
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Good to see MLS PR flaks are holding up contemporary journalistic standards. :)
     
  7. hc897

    hc897 Member+

    May 3, 2009
    San Jose, CA
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Dawkins was a non-factor last year, also, and is magnified by his DP status. His returning to the Quakes has been a complete waste.
     
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  8. JazzyJ

    JazzyJ BigSoccer Supporter

    Jun 25, 2003
    He had 5 goals last year playing mostly a wide position, and I think that was 2nd on the team. So while he was not great he was not a "non-factor".
     
  9. hc897

    hc897 Member+

    May 3, 2009
    San Jose, CA
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    He scored fewer times than his 2011 debut with the team, recorded the same number of assists (just 2 as a wide midfielder), and played in more games than any other season with the Quakes at 29. And he was enormously more expensive. Factoring in everything, I would say that he was an incredible disappointment. 5 goals is not nothing, but when you are expected to provide assists as a wide midfielder and you don't do that more than twice in a season, that's a huge problem.

    I would posit that Dawkins' inability to provide service to other players negatively impacted the team more than his goals positively contributed. How many times did Dawkins opt to go it alone rather than combine with teammates, only to lose the ball, then fail to recover defensively?

    The amount of possession lost, the lack of ability to hold the ball to relieve pressure, and the numerous squandered opportunities where he blasted balls over the bar from within 18 yards of the goal were unbearable to watch. When your DP player is marginally better than Cordell Cato, that's a big problem.
     
  10. JazzyJ

    JazzyJ BigSoccer Supporter

    Jun 25, 2003
    I was not judging him as a DP or even comparing him to 2011/12. I was responding to the "non-factor" comment at face value. Your second highest goal scorer is not a "non-factor", especially when one of those goals got you a win and another a tie in the dying moments. We can say that he was a disapointment but he was not a "non-factor".
     
  11. falvo

    falvo Member+

    Mar 27, 2005
    San Jose & Florence
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    Our small team carried two big sticks vs. those Gals tonight! :thumbsup:
     
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  12. Goodsport

    Goodsport Moderator
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    May 18, 1999
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Did our small team also speak softly like the other guy who was known for speaking softly while carrying a big stick? ;)





    GO SAN JOSE EARTHQUAKES!!! :cool:


    -G
     
  13. jeff_adams

    jeff_adams Member+

    Dec 16, 1999
    Monterey, Ca
    Did Chris Leitch widen Avaya or Stanford Stadium? Same width as Kinnear?
     
  14. Goodsport

    Goodsport Moderator
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    May 18, 1999
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #1439 Goodsport, Jul 11, 2017
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    The playing field at Stanford Stadium physically couldn't be widened any further, but as of today (Monday, July 10th), Chris Leitch certainly did widen the Avaya Stadium playing field from Dominic Kinnear's 72 yards to a near-ideal 74 yards. :thumbsup:

    GO SAN JOSE EARTHQUAKES!!! :cool:


    -G
     
  15. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Feb 13, 2010
    NorCal
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Goodsport is this you on twitter :laugh:

     
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  16. Goodsport

    Goodsport Moderator
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    May 18, 1999
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Not me, but it's good to know that someone out there agrees with me about the playing field. :)

    GO SAN JOSE EARTHQUAKES!!! :cool:


    -G
     
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  17. bsman

    bsman Member+

    May 30, 2001
    MadCity
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Interesting how much less "small" the team seems without the rather large egos of JD and DK...
     
  18. falvo

    falvo Member+

    Mar 27, 2005
    San Jose & Florence
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    Although it's only been a few weeks, it certainly seems this way. With the exception of a ten man Atlanta game, they are playing with more confidence.
     
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  19. hc897

    hc897 Member+

    May 3, 2009
    San Jose, CA
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    They played with confidence in that game, as much as a team could be expected to, anyway. They scored the opening goal, and scored a second goal after losing a player. Sure, they were beaten, but they still played pretty confidently. Kinnear's team would have gone out there, tried to absorb pressure, get scored on, then continue to sit back and try to absorb more pressure.
     
  20. TyffaneeSue

    TyffaneeSue moderator
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    Nov 15, 2003
    Upstairs
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Since Chris took over the coaching job, the Quakes have been a small team in the best possible way: scrappy, confident, playing to win despite not having a roster of name stars. Atlanta was no exception to that, and the reason it felt like a good game despite the scoreline.
     
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  21. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Feb 13, 2010
    NorCal
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well yeah despite the Quakes being a man down it was still 2-2 in the 80th minute...
     
  22. tenfourteen

    tenfourteen Member

    Sep 30, 2014
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Not to mention, a couple days off of an emotional derby win and a cross country trip. While I think they really need to work on their set piece defense, those were really tired legs.
     
  23. jeff_adams

    jeff_adams Member+

    Dec 16, 1999
    Monterey, Ca
    Maybe the biggest obstacle, they found out about Silva's accident right before the game. Several players talked about how much it shocked them.
     
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  24. staudio

    staudio Member+

    Mar 7, 2008
    Marin
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    and finding out prior to the game that a teammate was in a coma......
     
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  25. jeff_adams

    jeff_adams Member+

    Dec 16, 1999
    Monterey, Ca
    The biggest part of "small team" is gone. John Doyle was a huge mistake as GM.

    The team has added a USL franchise (one that looks like quality as well), is clearly emphasizing it's academy setup (and promising more homegrown signings) and has decided to focus on bringing in young DPs coming into their prime.

    The small team was between John Doyle's ears.
     
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