** A New Era - Rebuilding the Azzurri

Discussion in 'Italy: National Teams' started by Stamos, Nov 13, 2017.

  1. TheAnswer1313

    TheAnswer1313 Member+

    Dec 12, 2007
    Charleston, WV
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    I'm just saying I don't think it's critical to the strength of the national team that players play for a specific team or Serie A in general.

    It's not the reason we are currently in the position we are in.
     
  2. Calcio Pauly

    Calcio Pauly Member+

    Jun 17, 2012
    Club:
    AC Milan
    History say otherwise. There is no Totti, Del Piero, Baggio, Maldini, but what there is needs to play, regularly, and especially in a league with smart minds who help to improve players that come. Cutrone scored a winner yesterday. He was Milan's highest goal scorer last year. He'll get time in this year due to Silva and Kalinic leaving, but likely won't feature as much as last year. Most teams need to develop and sell to stay afloat. Filling their youth and teams with as many potential players, and developing them for selling is their main objective. It's a numbers game. Even Roma are in this situation. If there is any hint that one player will develop faster than another, then they'll get the playing time and will be sold faster. We, Milan, gave up on Cristante way too early in favor of a journey man. This is why the promising players that have, especially in recent years, gone deep in youth tournaments aren't getting as much time as they would have years back. It's not that they're not good enough, its that there are too many others of similar quality in the league and development doesn't stop when they leave the youth squads. One mistake and they're benched. That's not going to help. This is true of foreigners too, but if you fill your squads with as much diversity as possible then you increase the odds that one of your players will bring in a big return on investment. What suffers is the the talent that need more playing time that aren't getting it. There's a reason why most of the French national team players don't play in Ligue 1. It's shit. Serie A is still one of the best training grounds in Europe.
     
  3. Il Ciuccio

    Il Ciuccio Member+

    Feb 17, 2010
    Club:
    SSC Napoli
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    how many Italians does Juve have again ? You guys are a far cry from the Juve of old to be tossing stones at other teams.
     
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  4. Nek Sanalet

    Nek Sanalet Member+

    AC Milan
    Italy
    Dec 30, 2013
    NYC
    Club:
    AC Milan
    I'm surprised Mancini took Zaza over Cutrone. And I'm also surprised Calabria didn't make the squad. Other than those omissions, the coach's selections are largely positive...and youth based. Now we need him to mold the players into a cohesive unit. I think Domenico Berardi is going to have a massive year.
     
  5. Nek Sanalet

    Nek Sanalet Member+

    AC Milan
    Italy
    Dec 30, 2013
    NYC
    Club:
    AC Milan
    Add Calabria at RB, and we basically agree on the starting lineup. My club bias would like to see Romagnoli start, but it's hard to pick against the two Juve CB's.

    I agree 100%.
     
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  6. Mean Machine

    Mean Machine Member+

    May 23, 2018
    Well more then you think:

    Perin, Chiellini, Bonucci, Barzagli, Rugani, De Sciglio, Bernardeschi, Spinnazola, Kean, and Pinsoglio.

    If you ask how many start that is a different story. Although Bernardeschi has been playing quite a bit recently, and Spinnazola is still injured.
     
  7. calabrese8

    calabrese8 Member+

    Feb 9, 2008
    Vancouver
    Club:
    Juventus FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    A lot more than 3 lol
     
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  8. Il Ciuccio

    Il Ciuccio Member+

    Feb 17, 2010
    Club:
    SSC Napoli
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    You guys have 2 Italians starting most games.
     
  9. falvo

    falvo Member+

    Mar 27, 2005
    San Jose & Florence
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    How ironic! Roberto Mancini was the one who started the trend of not playing or starting many Italians at Inter and now he is complaining about the lack of domestic youngsters. What comes around goes around......

    Mancini challenges Serie A clubs to be courageous with youth


    Serie A: Italy coach Roberto Mancini calls on coaches to give younger ...


    Mancini pleads with Italian clubs to play more Italians
     
  10. Mean Machine

    Mean Machine Member+

    May 23, 2018
    Chiellini, Bonucci, and Bernardeschi started the last 2 games. Don't forget that De Sciglio is injured and will likely start when he is fit.
     
  11. Il Ciuccio

    Il Ciuccio Member+

    Feb 17, 2010
    Club:
    SSC Napoli
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    lol....
     
  12. Calcio Pauly

    Calcio Pauly Member+

    Jun 17, 2012
    Club:
    AC Milan
  13. Alex101

    Alex101 Member

    Mar 15, 2017
    He's a huge hypo critic but hes right,

    I did some stats over the last 6 seasons on matchday 3 of Italians starting, here are the totals:

    13/14 - 112/220
    14/15 - 100/220
    15/16 - 95/220
    16/17 - 85/220
    17/18 - 95/220
    18/19 - 86/220

    So yes its been on a decline if it gets worse, we will be calling Serie B players. What a sad time for Italian football, the clubs really let Italian football down.
     
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  14. falvo

    falvo Member+

    Mar 27, 2005
    San Jose & Florence
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    Serie B or Serie C but I hear he wants to call in the U21’s. That was unheard of historically until maybe tournament time.
     
  15. Gilbertsson

    Gilbertsson Member+

    Barcelona
    Spain
    Apr 1, 2012
    Geneva
    Club:
    Toronto Croatia
    Nat'l Team:
    Switzerland
  16. calabrese8

    calabrese8 Member+

    Feb 9, 2008
    Vancouver
    Club:
    Juventus FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
  17. Gilbertsson

    Gilbertsson Member+

    Barcelona
    Spain
    Apr 1, 2012
    Geneva
    Club:
    Toronto Croatia
    Nat'l Team:
    Switzerland
    It's much harder to get Italians of Uruguay, Argentina, Brazil, Chile. Angers is a solid French club. Stronati seems weaker.
    Frello Filho and Emerson Palmieri are in nice club. Were they good in NT?

    These ones seem as solid, young, nice club:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marcelo_Saracchi

    This one was missed: Russo.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rodrigo_Caio

    Cracco might still be available.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeca_(Brazilian_footballer)
     
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  18. falvo

    falvo Member+

    Mar 27, 2005
    San Jose & Florence
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
     
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  19. LouisianaViking07/09

    Aug 15, 2009
    we could just play it anywhere in the US that has a large Italian community.
     
  20. GIGI RIVA

    GIGI RIVA Member

    Fiorentina
    Canada
    Aug 24, 2009
    Guelph Ontario
    Club:
    ACF Fiorentina
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    Italy is in transition right now and will improve on the field but until the Federation gets there act together. Italy will continue in Mediocracie
     
  21. totti fan

    totti fan Red Card

    Jun 24, 2010
    Club:
    SSC Napoli
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    Politano > Chiesa
     
  22. totti fan

    totti fan Red Card

    Jun 24, 2010
    Club:
    SSC Napoli
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    Former FIGC President Carlo Tavecchio:

    “If a CT has to call on Serie A reserves there’s nothing you can do. The number of foreigners needs to be reduced by law, I asked for a maximum of five foreign players per team."
    https://www.football-italia.net/130649/tavecchio-‘amazed-ventura’

    It turns out I was right again. Most of you morons on these boards were favourable towards Tomassi who represented player interests (ie freedom of movement at expense of NT) whereas I was the only one I can remember on here advocating for Tavecchio. Ageist nonsense to side with Tomassi over Tavecchio if you care about the NT over club football.
     
  23. Deleted User x

    Deleted User x Member+

    Mar 21, 2006
    Didn't Tavecchio fail miserably as president of the FIGC?
     
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  24. totti fan

    totti fan Red Card

    Jun 24, 2010
    Club:
    SSC Napoli
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    Do you want more or less foreigners in Serie A?
     
  25. Deleted User x

    Deleted User x Member+

    Mar 21, 2006
    True enough.
     

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