NSR: A gun on Every Corner: Discuss the NRA, Gun Ownership and All Those Non-Mass Shootings..

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Do we need more strict gun laws?

  1. Repeal the second baby!

    54 vote(s)
    51.4%
  2. We need better mental healthcare..

    38 vote(s)
    36.2%
  3. A discussion on the topic would be interesting..

    29 vote(s)
    27.6%
  4. That's Liberul talk for them to take may gunz!

    7 vote(s)
    6.7%
  5. You can pry my gun from my cold dead hands..

    15 vote(s)
    14.3%
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  1. taosjohn

    taosjohn Member+

    Dec 23, 2004
    taos,nm
    "We're gonna live in Sanctuary City
    Go ahead and give in, Sanctuary City
    Like modern men, modern girls
    We're gonna live in the modern world

    Don't worry about the rain
    Don't worry about the thunder
    Honey Sanctuary City's got everything covered."

    (Tom Petty, adapted)
     
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  2. Cascarino's Pizzeria

    Apr 29, 2001
    New Jersey, USA
    We built this city
    We built this city
    Built this city on guns and Skooooal

    (no apologies to the horrific Starship)
     
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  3. ceezmad

    ceezmad Member+

    Mar 4, 2010
    Chicago
    Club:
    Chicago Red Stars
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    They do not make Federal goverment (or state government) laws void, it just means that local government officials will not enforce those laws.


    https://reason.com/2019/11/21/americas-second-amendment-sanctuary-movement-is-alive-and-well/


    Now Trump and republicans have been trying to get Liberal cities to cooperate with federal immigration laws by threatening to take away their federal funding (and large democratic cities are suing back), so in theory this would also be done by Democratic governments against 2A sanctuary cities/counties (and they would then sue back).
     
  4. Funkfoot

    Funkfoot Member+

    May 18, 2002
    New Orleans, LA
    Maybe pass a law that takes away a local government's immunity from lawsuits if they don't enforce firearm laws. If victims could sue the government, the lawsuits would pile up pretty fast. No idea if this is legal, of course.
     
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  5. Cascarino's Pizzeria

    Apr 29, 2001
    New Jersey, USA
    So the gun goes and commits a mass shooting & Sheriff Pusser cant go & arrest it? That's un-Merican!
     
  6. ceezmad

    ceezmad Member+

    Mar 4, 2010
    Chicago
    Club:
    Chicago Red Stars
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I mean if the gun does it on it's own, I would imagine lots of people would be interested on how that happened, and would suspect the gun would be taken to some federal closed area for investigation.
     
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  7. taosjohn

    taosjohn Member+

    Dec 23, 2004
    taos,nm
    FEMA dome!
     
  8. Auriaprottu

    Auriaprottu Member+

    Atlanta Damn United
    Apr 1, 2002
    The back of the bus
    Club:
    Atlanta
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    They did at least have White Rabbit, Runaway and Count On Me (or some of them did- that band changed names about 8 times and I don't know who stayed and who left). And then Balin had (recorded) Hearts, which was a very good song.
     
  9. chaski

    chaski Moderator
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    Mar 20, 2000
    redacted
    Club:
    Lisburn Distillery FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Turks and Caicos Islands
    Airplane good
    Starship not
     
  10. Auriaprottu

    Auriaprottu Member+

    Atlanta Damn United
    Apr 1, 2002
    The back of the bus
    Club:
    Atlanta
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    Well, that depends. It was a version of Starship that released Runaway and Count on Me. I know that for sure, 'cause I have the vinyl. And Miracles. It wasn't until Sarah and We Built This City that they began to suck.
     
  11. luftmensch

    luftmensch Member+

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    United States
    May 4, 2006
    Petaluma
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Pretty sure that was after they dropped "Jefferson" entirely.
     
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  12. taosjohn

    taosjohn Member+

    Dec 23, 2004
    taos,nm
    White Rabbit started life as a Great Society song-- Grace brought it with when she joined the Airplane. Count On Me is a Jesse Barish song which I think David Freiberg brought with him from Quicksilver when he joined Starship as bassist-- they had been borrowing Lesh or Casady up to then... Hearts is also by Barish.

    Miracles is Marty Balin.

    Starship would tell you themselves that the band went sour when Rob Thomas came over from Elvin Bishop's band to take over the male lead, and was the only one with any money and credit, and basically took over the band.

    It took the others a while to figure our a way to get out from under contractually and financially-- and that's the time frame "We Built This City" is from. But in the pre-Thomas era of Starship, the principal songwriters were Slick/Kantner, Balin, and Poppa John Creach. "Red Octopus" is a great album, and there were some other good songs. There was a reason 300,000 of us stood in the rain at the softball fields in Central Park to hear them in '77. That's the day China Slick wrote "Please Don't Let It Rain" for them.
     
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  13. Cascarino's Pizzeria

    Apr 29, 2001
    New Jersey, USA
    My bro would say that Hot Tuna was the best thing that came outta J.A.
     
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  14. taosjohn

    taosjohn Member+

    Dec 23, 2004
    taos,nm
    And he'd be right. The first three albums are excellent. But then, Jack, Jorma, and Papa John were the three folks in JA who had some sort of self-discipline...
     
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  15. soccernutter

    soccernutter Moderator
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    Tottenham Hotspur
    Aug 22, 2001
    Near the mountains.
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Not sure. I'm new to this school so don't have a good feeling for the student body overall. That said, there is not a good thread of student/teacher communication throughout the school. I remember a situation when I was in high school that happened over night, and by the start of 3rd period, the entire school knew of the situation all at a time when communication was far more word-of-mouth. So since our school/city was specifically mentioned, I am surprised more was not known and acted upon by the students.
     
  16. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    VB, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Please be so kind as to distinguish between the two.
     
  17. ElNaranja

    ElNaranja Member+

    Houston Dynamo
    United States
    Jul 16, 2017
    One is about overreach by the federal government and the other is about redneck white people wanting to make sure everyone has a gun to fight off everyone darker than themselves.
     
  18. Bootsy Collins

    Bootsy Collins Player of the Year

    Oct 18, 2004
    Capitol Hill
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yuck. "White Rabbit" was not Starship. And that wasn't one of Jefferson Airplane's better songs, anyway.
     
  19. Cascarino's Pizzeria

    Apr 29, 2001
    New Jersey, USA
    I like We Can Be Together much better
     
  20. Bootsy Collins

    Bootsy Collins Player of the Year

    Oct 18, 2004
    Capitol Hill
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Since I'm working on "Embryonic Journey", I'll take that.
     
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  21. taosjohn

    taosjohn Member+

    Dec 23, 2004
    taos,nm
    It does seem to be the one current bands want to cover, however.
     
  22. taosjohn

    taosjohn Member+

    Dec 23, 2004
    taos,nm
    3/5 of a mile in 10 seconds, rejoyce, Two Heads, Martha, Wild Time, Pretty As You Feel...
     
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  23. Bootsy Collins

    Bootsy Collins Player of the Year

    Oct 18, 2004
    Capitol Hill
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I still buy physical copies of recordings. Which means I still have control over what I hear. So I hadn't even been aware that anyone's covering it. Which I'm glad of.
     
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  24. taosjohn

    taosjohn Member+

    Dec 23, 2004
    taos,nm
    Me too. Ex radio DJ after all.

    But I look at an awful lot of stuff still, even if I don't buy.
     
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  25. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    VB, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I am simultaneously about 100 yards from a place where 12 died in a mass shooting, and about 100 yards from a bunch of male inadequacy petitioning the city council to make VB a gun sanctuary.
     

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